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I forget the name of the springs, but they are the ones GSC says are compatible with the cams.

 

Well lately it seems I always have good news/bad news with this car.

Good news is traction control works!




The bad news is the ECU inputs used for TC are bad. Analog 1, Analog 2, and ELD all show a constant voltage no matter what the situation. I tested the TC output and verified the voltage coming from the TC box is good. So I'm going to have to order a new ECU before I can get this working.

 

Just go aem already and stop messing with that crap s300

 

I looked into it. Still cheaper and less of a hassle to replace the S300 with V3 and just plug it in and go since everything is set up. If I went AEM I would have to redo everything, spend twice as much and then pay more to get it retuned.

If I was starting fresh I would do AEM. At this point staying S300 makes more sense.

 

Did you factor in the added benefits of the aem?

Flex fuel?

Real flex fuel

You could find used v2 boxes for around 800 sell your setup for aroud the same price and all you need is a tune. Get rid of all that cop crap, get rid of that ugly distributor.

Better drivability with the aem, you got a nice build compliment it with a nice ems

 

Damn i should work for aem

 

LOL

Flex fuel is useless to me. Don't have a public E85 station within 100 miles.

The car actually drives damn near stock now that I have all the bugs worked out. My tuner, a HUGE AEM guy (he keeps giving me AEM Infinity hints) even he agreed the car drives amazing for what it is and he prob wouldn't change anything.

Once I figured out my ECU was the issue I went back and forth over what I wanted to do. I really looked hard at both the AEM 2 and the Infinity. I know the AEM units are better and maybe in the future I'll switch to AEM but for now it just didn't make sense. I want to be able to plug it in and go. Because it is already setup for Hondata it will take me 5 min to swap it out.

I do admit this whole experience has renewed my interest in the AEM stuff and I plan to do more research. As you said I can always sell my stuff.

 

So update time. Picked up a new Hondata V3 and the car runs a lot better at part throttle. I guess that ECU had more issues than I thought. Anyway thanks to a bit of help from gringotegra (Myles) I got TC dialed in and working almost perfect.

I plan to play with boost by gear settings a bit and then prob have to adjust the TC some more but its as close to floor it and hold on as I think I can get it. Even 1st gear is fairly manageable.

I'll see if I can get some driving vids with TC on and off in the near future.

 

I like the ms3pro over any other standalone

 

Nice man

I just wired up my flex fuel sensor and got my boost by gear setup

Traction control is next


Def post a vid

 

Glad i could help

 

Thanks again!

I was out with the car in the wet today and it is pretty wild how well the TC works.

 

I have a video on my facebook somewhere showing how well it does in the rain haha

 

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v...type=3&theater

 

Well the HG went tonight on the way home from work. I haven't decided what I'm going to do yet. I'm torn between rebuilding it or going back to stock and moving in a different direction.

If I do put it back together I think I'm going to ditch the GSC cams. They are great for power but in a daily driver they are a bit much. I've been working on the part throttle tune since I put them in and I can't get the mileage to go much above 23 mpg. With the Tuner 1s I was getting 29 without even trying to drive careful. Also the car is more of a pain in the *** in cold weather with the GSC cams. Once the car warms up they are fine but until it does it runs pretty poor. I've been changing everything I can think of and nothing seems to help much.

 

Don't you dare give up on boost!

...and if you do, I might be convinced to take that 3030 off your hands

 

You probably got a hold of some bad gas. I would just change the gasket and party on.

 

I even admit that the GSC T1 isn't the best at what we honda owners would consider to be a "daily driver" camshaft that has the average user in mind; it is a purpose built cam that concentrates on the opening events of the valves to get utilize boost pressure optimally. They are NOT great at gas mileage, nor

I have found as I've owned these camshafts and what I profess to others is that your driving style must change when it comes to these camshafts. I know that sounds a bit weird, but its true, and Muckman can profess to it. One example of this is what can only be described as cam surge that occurs between the 2500-3000rpm point of most B-series at about 20-30% throttle in 2nd gear. What happens is that the intake valve opens so early when the engine starts to get into load, at that specific point, the car will "buck" inconsistently, as though it were getting inconsistent fuel delivery. The funny thing is that is just what a tuner or owner thinks is an issue, and attempt to try and "tune" the cam surge out; In the end, you can smooth that out slightly, but you won't completely eliminate it. It is the nature of the camshaft and its behaviour.

The solution? Either increase your throttle, or go to 3rd gear and continue on at the same slower speed. This is where the GSC T1 is not for the weak hearted.

In addition, 1158, you're the first person to attempt to drive that in a very cold environment, with which the IACV and cold start program may cause some difficulty for the camshafts to stay running.. So, I have cannot give any ideas about that particular area.

I wouldn't give up just yet. (-unrelated note) I've felt just as frustrated when I lost my cylinder head due to the threads of my headstuds in the block stripping after years and years of use and abuse on the circuit. If it weren't sleeved, i would have just used another GS-R block (if you can even find one nowadays anymore) and kept going, but instead, I made lemonade out of lemons and had the block timeserted.

As much as I love these camshafts, I've come to realize that the T1s aren't for everyone, for their purpose. But that's why there's the GSC N1, Tuner 1 (that you have already), and Edlebrock 4730 if needed. But honestly, if you're not going to go T1, just stick with your Tuner 1s and drive happily.

Good luck, and try and keep the faith..

 

Mac,

Interestingly it's not the cruise/part throttle stuff that is giving me trouble. I'm fine with how it behaves on those area. The problem I am having has do to with the low speed/idle operation in cold weather. I have tried adjusting everything I can but I'm not really making any progress. It is hard to start in cold weather, won't idle unless I hold the throttle at 3-5% until it warms up, and when I'm slowing to a stop it will sometime shut off. Again, this is only with IAT/ECT in the low ranges. Once it warms up it is better.

I've tried messing with the IACV and the other associated bits but nothing helps. If it's just the headgasket I will probably just replace it. If there is more damage I'll probably go back to stock and move onto a different platform.

 

I'm halfway through this tank and have had no other issues. This happened after a 3rd gear pull trying to dial in traction control. I lost the datalogs because I thought it was an electrical issue at first, my ECT sensor was showing 218 but gauge was reading 185ish. It started stumbling and missing so I shut it off and restarted Smanager and the car started right up, rane fine and ECT was 190.

The engine has seen at least 5 years of hard daily driving life. Everytime I drive it I lay into it at some point. So maybe it was just time for it to go. I don't know. I wish I had the damn datalogs.

 

its funny you guys mention the cam surging. my gsc n1 have the same cam surge throttle snap at low engine speed. after two years its kinda annoying having your car snapping at low throttle. they aswell dont do so good when cold. im actually thinkin of switching to tuner1s or tuner2s, once i get the ultra street manifold. in my searches though, ive never been able to find out the tuner1s primaries size. also think the tuner1s ramp rate is definitely a plus, atleast over the gsc n1s

 

I don't think its necessary to go to that level of changes for what you've accomplished.

-Get the headgasket replaced. Check for issues on the threads of the block for the ARPs as well as the head. repair as needed.

-take out the GSCs , put in your Tuner 1 stuff again if you have it. If not, then get some GS-Rs and be done

-Stop trying to drive this **** in sub 40*F cold weather. You've been out of "daily driver" status for this car for a few years now.. now to accept that fact and move on. No one has "it all " in one platform.... its an unrealistic proposition.

 

This is why I am getting tuned on race gas. The most I want to drive my Honda is to car shows and the race track.

 

I had no problem driving it at these temps in the past ie last year. It was up to temp when I hit it last night so that wasn't the issue. I do agree that with the GSC cams cold weather is not a good idea. In hind sight it makes sense but live and learn. I'll wait and see what pulling the head brings. If the block has to come out I'll put the original engine back in and revert the car back to stock. If not I still have the Tuner 1s and I was already leaning in the direction of putting them back in before this happened.

I want to repeat, I love the GSC cams, they are awesome. They just are not good for the way I want to use the car. If I only drove it in warmer weather and didn't have to put up with it every day I would keep them. I will miss that idle.

 

I'm glad you can at least drive it everyday without other issues occurring such as theft or vandalism. Even if I could drive mine every day, honestly... I wouldn't just because of that particular issue