god i cannot WAIT till you finally get blox it breaks your engine in 2k and you say blox never again. i can easily think of more people by far that run supertech then blox.

crying about budget and people throw 20 bucks less at you and you dismiss it because two people had bad experinces? yet theres at least 5 saying blox blows and your still c*ck riding em. now im just enjoying this thread your heads faaar to thick for help.

 

God what a fiasco. I'm in the same boat as you... Looking for info and the best bang for my dollar like any other poor slob out here. They call them BUDGET BUILDS for a reason. I'm looking at cams also and find a hell of lot of them for sale on this site and others. New , used, hell of lot used. The used stuff really bothers me more then a budget one does.. And besides if your turning more than, let's say 7500rpm's plus on a regular basis somethings gonna break!!!!!! MURPHY"S LAW!!!! The only question is when and what

 

people on here crack me up, I thought the FI forum was bad with people saying only buy brand name parts and dsm injectors are garbage yada yada yada.

so here it is, honda-tech is a popularity contest. if you wanna get more thumbs up you need to skip right past skunk2 and go to toda or jun. if not no thumbs up for you.


if you do buy blox and something breaks it would be no different then if you had bought skunk2 and something broke except you would be out less money for the parts

 

i don't think that is the intent with what a lot of people are saying.

the point is companies who typically sell stuff for a premium and are the originators of the item invest money into R&D initially as well as moving forward, and offer full support because they can - they developed the product. so, it doesn't usually end up being more expensive just to be expensive. you literally get what you pay for. on top of all of that, they use the money you pay them to help fund further development to not only advance the hobby but stay ahead of those who are copying. this is a general statement and not aimed at any company mentioned in this thread.

you obviously can get whatever you want but just keep in mind why some people promote the brands that drive the hobby over those that leech from the hobby. it has nothing to do with popularity and mostly to do with faith in the brand as a whole.

unfortuntely, when you look for feedback, this is always part of what you get. i encourage anyone to continue to add real world BLOX product experience to the thread as per the OP.

 

I get what your saying but that goes for buying used name brand parts as well as buying knock off stuff. if you buy a set of skunk2 cams that are brand new in box that some one bought but never installed you aren't helping skunk2 out to further develop new designs.

but if you had the chance to buy a set of BNIB cams for a couple hundred less would you get those or buy from skunk2 to help them out?



also when you buy something like JUN cams, they have had the same profile for quite a bit of time and are still ridiculous on price. I don't believe in the you get what you pay for because profit margins can vary so much.

have you even heard the old saying that if there is a vase for $10 and a vase for $100 at a market and you ask the guy whats the difference between them and the guy says that some people like to spend $10 and some people like to spend $100?

Iv noticed that the same goes when I post cars up for sale on CL, If I put them for cheap hoping to get a quick sale I mainly get low ballers or people with no money to even afford what Im asking, if I bump the price up by $900 or so I get alot more people interested in the car. funny how that works huh.

 

Yea like I said its not like I don't want the premium stuff, I just know at the moment I can't have it and if I can get some affordable stuff for now and sell it later my car will run good for now and my priorities will be taken care of. Like I said im still saving for that rmf header which I know without a doubt with perform and I will be buying type r cams for the time being, I just wanna get some new springs n retainers in my head to get it a bit more sturdy.

 

If you read between the lines about what I've been saying, you'd see that the "weakness" has little to do with the parts and more to do with the service surrounding them. As I have previously said, Blox parts are a decent quality for what you normally get. Some things may fail but a much larger percentage do not, similar to many other manufacturers out there.

Mar778c's Blox C's broke (1 cam) and he had no luck or support from Blox even though he could prove that it was a casting flaw and not installation or any other problem. Prior to those cams he ran the Blox A's for a long period of time without a problem.

So what does this say? it says what I've been trying to say from the start and that is the parts are not what's really in question, it's the company and how it functions, handles warranty claims, technical questions before and after the sale etc. That's where the problems/risk comes in....lack or no support.

If he had been running Skunk cams (which he is now) if he had a cam problem similar to the Blox C failure, they would have helped him out like they have on MANY occassions, openly on this board. That's the difference and that's what you're paying for...the peace of mind and support if or when you might need it.

You mentioned you and your buddy had Supertech retainers fail on you, were they being used in Supertech springs or some other make of spring?



This is where all you guys go wrong.

You are helping Skunk out buying those used cams because you aren't buying someone else's cams (like Blox). I would and have ALWAYS bought from the people/companies that gave me the best support before and after the sale, that I trust. It has never done me wrong.

 

crower...lol. they also had a lot of problems with cam breakage

 

hey, I run their 403's....uh oh....

 

bro just go buy the damn springs.

if you really want them that bad go buy the damn things and stop arguing with people that you ask for advice.

its not like any of us gonna drop a tear when your **** blows up.

what exactly didnt you like in my last statement,
that came straight from a company rep not like i made that **** up...
what do you expect to be different in aftermarket performance.


i know you are trying to justify the purchase of those springs to yourself and denying every our attempt to tell you otherwise.

so why dont you experience for yourself and then come back and tell us about those springs...

again my friend: the prices re not expensive, you just dont make enough money to afford the products.

do you go to mercedes dealership and start arguing about the prices? and tell them, well hyundai on the other end of the block selling their luxury sedan for only 15,000 and yours cost 50,000.

and please dont pick out parts of my post for use in your senseless replies, read and understand the whole thing before replying, or better yet, do some research online.

 

I can not say a skunk2 part will not fail but I can say that they will back up their parts. Also, I can say, they conduct a lot of R&D to develop their parts. Their parts are not the cheapiest nor are they the boutique brand. Just to tell the type of company they are Skunk2 offered me a set of Pro2's at a very good price. They saw the thread and went out of their way to help me out.

In my own experience, I do not buy the most expensive parts on the market. Nor do I buy the cheapiest. What I do is buy the best performing and value my budget will allow. For instance, I run super tech HD spring and rsx type s retainers. Why, stock type s springs have more seat pressure and max lift than almost all b-series aftermarket springs.

 

ok so what if I bought a set of used blox cams (I did when I ran blox B's, picked them up used for $220)

is that still wrong vs buying used skunk2 cams? since its not hurting nor helping them.

also I had a skunk2 cam break during shipping and I contacted tony at skunk2 and he laughed at me and said hes never seen that before. I asked him about warranting it out and he said not unless I had a receipt of purchase from the last year or less. point being is that buying used skunk2 doesn't always mean they are gonna completely cover your *** if something happens.

 

raver3xm QFT.

 

Supertech springs and retainers in mine with type r cams. Broke a retainer, dropped a valve, shattered a piston.

My friend on the other hand was asking for it, he ran supertech spring and retainers with toda killers. Had a few good runs but few weeks ago during a run he blew somethin goin into 4th and the damage is to much to even tell what went wrong, both or our engines ended up toast
Senseless replies?? I've been telling you alls I want to hear is peoples experiences with a product and you come in here rambling on about saturns and mercedes n why u don't get the arguement and ****. THERE IS NO ARGUEMENT ALLS I'VE ASKED IS TO HEAR PERSONAL EXPERIENCES WITH A PRODUCT AND YOU DON'T HAVE NONE SO STOP POSTING IN HERE.

So the k series retainers fit into the b series and they're stronger?? What material are they made of and does it lighten the valvetrain as well as strengthen it??
And supertech hd springs I have never come across, all I've seen is plain ol supertech springs and retainers
THESE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS I LIKE TO HEAR.
Not "uh dude blox blows"

Im gonna look more into the k series retainers any info you guys got id like to hear. OEM stuff is very stout my whole block is built with OEM products with the exception of rod and head bolts.

 

Supertech has two springs for B-series Hondas. The two PN's are SPR-H1002D (70lbs seat pressure) and SPR-H100DR (85lbs seat pressure). You would want to select the spring that is most appropriate for your application. I've run the DR's for five years / 20,000 miles on my 2.0L, with Skunk2 Pro-3's, 9500 RPM rev limit and a whole lot of track time.

Supertech offers either Titanium retainers or Aluminum retainers. It just so happens that the PN's for the Supertech K20 Titanium retainers are the same as B-series.

The RSX retainers are steel, so there is no dissimilar metal contact which can lead to galling of the softer metal (the titanium in this case). They are also slightly lighter than the OEM B-series retainers, which is the only reason to go with a Titanium/Aluminum retainer - the weight savings. Retainers only need to be strong enough not to break, they're just as 'cap' that holds the spring in place.

I just recently finished a 1.8L B for a local guy with Pro-1's and Blox valvetrain. Measured installed height and seat pressures were all within spec. We'll see how it does.

Personally, I would go with Supertech DR's if I was on a budget. At least they have people you can talk to on the phone if you have questions.

 

then NEXT time you make this post ask for valvetrain experinces not just blox valvetrain. because up til right then you've just been boner riding blox.

 

Yea im gonna go up to acura and see how much they want, anybody ever see sets on ebay?
I haven't been boner riding ****, I asked for some info from people who use a certain product and got a bunch of grief. I asked for experience not opinion.
I bet if I was to post how I want to hear experiences on skunk, jun, or toda cams I probly would've got it without any grief cause they're all well liked companies.

And again I don't get why you are even posting cause you still have yet to give ANYTHING useful. All you've been doing is running your mouth and what you haven't gotten is NO ONE CARES WHAT YOU THINK.

 

You can get them from acuraoemparts.com. A set should cost about $50.

 

http://www.acuraoemparts.com/delray/...=14765-PRB-A00

FYI oem steel retainers with aftermarket cams have been known to snap.

 

Coil surge will do that.

FYI, pull test on k series failed at ~580 lbs. Al and Ti failed at 340 an 440 lbs, respectively.

 

good gawd....are the oem k series retainers really that much better then the oem B series?
the oem b series retainers with aftermarket springs and aftermarket cams would snap at high rpm.

also i would like to see how the tests were done and the documentation behind it.

 

Inconel pin machined for OEM keepers, 4340 fixture for holding the retainer in 1k instron frame. Load control.

 

Im only gonna run type r cams for a while anyways they would be perfect.
Any difference between the base k or type-s k retainers or are they the same?

 

where is the pressure graphing? what was the pressure curve set at pressure vs time etc (basicly the rate at which the lbs were increased)? the machine generally will hookup to a computer and give you a print out...i used to work in a quality control lab.

 

they did indeed. man that was a while ago though, lol. they had a core issue which they resolved. they took care of those customers the best they could after they came to the conclusion that there was indeed a rampant core issue.