Do not buy from Peter.

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Alright let's get this started.

I purchased the advertised bottom end from Peter here. We agreed on a price, we agreed on shipping, and everything was fine. I was aware that this motor had been sitting for a while, I expected it to not be completely clean. In PM's Peter mentioned that the motor had been sitting on an engine stand, wrapped up, in a dry room. I contacted Golden Eagle with the invoice and account numbers and everything checked out. They had done all the work mentioned in the advertisement in-house.

This is where it gets interesting.

I received the motor, and brought it to the shop that I spend countless amounts of time at. They are very reputable, very smart, and VERY fair. I know them well and have done nothing but amazing work and would never attempt to sell me anything or do anything I wouldn't need to do. The motor was still wrapped up, so we cut the wrapping and took the cardboard off that was covering the pistons. Oh this is interesting, all the pistons have buildup on them already, clearly showing that the pistons are USED.

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I thought this was supposed to be a "brand new" motor? Alright, so maybe the pistons were the only part of the motor that was used. Nope. The cylinders do not appear to be a fresh hone, when Golden Eagle bores and hones, the cylinders are not completely smooth, you can see the angular grooves all up the cylinder walls. These cylinders are all super polished smooth and shiny, a sign of wear. But get this, THE CYLINDERS WALLS ARE SCRATCHED BY THE PISTONS.

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This is clear cylinder damage. Scratches and grooves like this DO NOT remain after a fresh bore and hone by Golden Eagle. If I were to run this bottom end in my 450whp setup I'd blow out in no time. So my shop rips apart the whole motor, because this is completely unacceptable. The pistons themselves have scratches up the sides, which is the cause of the scratches in the cylinders. The rest of the internals are not too bad, they look alright. There is rust on the rods but that isn't the biggest issue. In order to use this motor I would need to send it to be machined again, fresh bore/hone and new pistons. So much for a "brand new, never started 0 miles motor".

In case he tries to change anything, this is the original post from this thread:

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So I contact Peter, tell him of the damage, explain to him that this was most likely because he brought the motor home from Golden Eagle, threw it in and tried to tune the car himself, ****ed up the air/fuel ratios and heated the crap out of his pistons causing them to expand and start scratching the cylinders. That's probably when he said wait a second, this bad boy is running extremely bad, let's throw it on a stand and advertise it as new until somebody stumbles upon and buys it. This is all completely theory, hah.

The point is, I nicely explained to Peter that I already have possession of the motor, and to get it fixed so that it is able to be used in my car would cost around $1000. Fresh bore/hone and new pistons/rings. I politely asked for a form of partial refund to help towards getting the motor in working condition. This is when Peter responds back claiming that the damage is impossible, that the motor has never run and that I am definitely trying to extort him and scam him.

So again I nicely explained that the advertisement clearly showed that this motor was "brand new", "never started", "0 miles". That was written even in the paypal invoice. Then he tells me that the pistons and rods were used for 10 miles before being sent to Golden Eagle to get all the work done in the block. And then the pistons and rods were re-used with all the work and other new parts. But wait, the invoice shows Peter purchased and installed everything from them at once!
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Oh boy. I tried countless times explaining to him that he advertised and sold the motor as "BRAND NEW, BRAND NEW PARTS, 0 MILES NEVER STARTED" and I was completely expecting a brand new bottom end. Yet I received this bad block, all used parts, scratched pistons that need replaced, scratched cylinders that need re-honed, and overal a shitty motor. I'm not even complaining that I gave him $250 for shipping and he sent the motor on it's own, only wrapped in heavy saran wrap so it can just roll around freely on the UPS truck. I'm not even complaining that the entire motor was covered in oil, dirt, had dead insects on and in the holes, or that it had rusty rods.

I'M COMPLAINING THAT THE ENTIRE MOTOR WAS ADVERTISED AND SOLD AS BRAND NEW, NEVER STARTED, 0 MILES, AND YET I RECEIVED A HUNK OF METAL THAT I MUST SPEND $1000 TO REPAIR.

And yet, all Peter can say over and over is that I am a liar, that there is no damage, that I am trying to "extort" money out of him, that I'm a scammer, and that he will not fall for my "tricks". Honestly how ****ing hard is it to realize that you sold me a used motor, with used parts when you clearly advertised it as brand new? It's straight fact, there is nothing else to it. That is false advertising and fraud, I don't understand why this is so hard for him to comprehend. He even tried to tell me that if Golden Eagle did not do the work that they were supposed to do, it isn't his problem. Wait, what?! It's MY problem that YOU sent a motor to Golden Eagle, and are somehow trying to blame them for not doing the work, and now it is MY problem because I bought a motor that YOU thought was brand new? Man, that is ridiculous.

Anyways, he refuses to cooperate, refuses to do anything, and therefore I warn you all.

DO NOT BUY FROM PETERFURNIVAL

 

Is your dad still on his death bed? Why don't you chop the story up some more so it fits your needs and disreguard the fact instead of embracing lies this guy will say anything tO get what he wants do what ever you want but know that your fake and a scammer if your reading this be aware don't sell to him unless you want this to happen to you

 

As I mentioned in his for sale thread, this is the type of response I completely expected from this scum bag. All he can do is tailor lies and make up stories as he goes.

Also, not that it even matters to me at all, but it clearly takes a real man to talk down somebody's father with cancer, lmao. You're making yourself look like a champ here.

 

Maybe if it was true but after all this u can't be trusted your during father is just another leverage tool u tried to pull. You have been exposed truth be told.

 

It has nothing to do with anything, I don't understand how you're bringing my father into this. You're completely dodging the entire issue, you directly lied, scammed, and ripped me off. It's clearer than crystal, and you won't step up to it and fix the issue.

Somehow you still deeply believe that you have done nothing wrong, and I'm beginning to think it's an issue with the way you think.

If you advertise something as "BRAND NEW", as "NEVER STARTED", as "0 MILES", then it better damn well be brand new. When I receive a motor with USED pistons, USED rods, and DAMAGED cylinders, and you even ADMIT USED PARTS, you still don't believe you did anything wrong.

How can you not grasp this concept?

It's called false advertising, it's a direct lie, and it's fraud. HOW DO YOU STILL NOT UNDERSTAND THIS? It is not "Golden Eagles problem", it is not MY problem as a buyer, it is directly and only your problem. It doesn't matter what you paid someone else to do, what you thought was done, or what story you tell me. You had a complete list of parts on your advertisement, receipts, prices, everything saying many more than one time that everything is all brand new. Then I receive a motor that I would have to repair to run it in my car, and you just can't comprehend why oh why I have this issue with you.

It completely boggles my mind how you think that you did absolutely nothing wrong.

 

Your father is just another example of how low u stoop to lie that is all

 

The condition and receipts and the history was all discussed prior to sale along with pics and recipts your continued attemT to bend the truth leave out info and make things up is what makes this an issue feel free to do what ever you want u and I know the truth regardless of your spoiled Brat intentions keep telling lies and editing your story maybe you'll get it right some day so that Simone beleaves you and you can rip them off

 

if it was all discussed post the discussion, whether it be pm's or texts, if your so sure you did nothing wrong and hes making up lies you should have no problems posting up pm's, texts, emails, etc or however you talked

 

Apparently me saying "my father and I who are building a car together don't need the extra stress in our life from getting completely ripped off and scammed by you, he has actual important things to worry about, like cancer" doesn't give you the right to use that as a defense as to why you sold me a bad motor, in like every reply that you have. It was one sentence I wrote in many paragraphs of expressing my issue with you. Get over it.

Anyone with half a brain can look at your thread, look at my pictures, look at the facts and realize that you sold me a motor that was advertised many times as brand new, never started, 0 miles, and that I received a motor with used parts and cylinder damage.

 

Nobody is dodging anything everthjng was layed on te table and the fact that you are denouncing knOwledge and demanding money and try ing scam I what is being discussed on my end I'm sorry you fail to see that

 

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omg the lies have started again. so where did that second recipt come from did i fab it is it fake what happened when eagle confirmend everything? Is there not another recipt for
BORE & HONE Finish Bore & Hone - 4 Cylinder 1.00 125.00 125.00
CRANKASYBALANCE Balance Rotating Assembly & Check Piston Pin Fit. 1.00 165.00 165.00
CRANKGRIND Chmfer, Grnd & Micro Polish Crnk Shft - Chk
Straightness
1.00 165.00 165.00
DISASSMBLESB Disassemble Short Block - 4 Cylinder 1.00 50.00 50.00
DISCOUNTPRO Promotional Discount 1.00 -360.00 -360.00
GEMB18CHSK Headstud Set B18C Vtec 1.00 115.99 115.99
GVC100-18 Oil Sandwich Plate W/ 1/8 Plug Adapter 1.00 88.52 88.52
GVM100-T Vacuum Manifold - Titanium 1.00 35.69 35.69
GVMBARBKITNYLON Fitting Kit - (1) 3/8 Tee - (6) 1/8 NPT x 3/16 Barb - Nylon 1.00 5.99 5.99
MISC MISC Services cleaing block 1.00 30.00 30.00
PACKAGING BLOCK Package bare engine block 1.00 15.00 15.00
XASSEMBLEBOT BLUE PRINT & ASSEMBLE BOTTOM END 1.00 475.00 475.00
rebuild
mains crank rods pistons
rebuild
mains crank rods pistons
Prepaid: 911.19 Paid: 0.00
Balance: 0.00
Tax:
Shipping:
Total: 911.19
0.00
0.00
SubTotal
on 10/14
seperate from the recipt on 3/10 are you saying that all that is fake. how can i have known that eagle would just ship the block to me and then charge me for all of that? you are unreal. oh thats right i forgot i started the engine with a bad tune and somehow knew that the walls were scored and stoped it in time before the oil reached any part of the engine before the moly lube wore away. your right im sorry. no

 

take pictures of ****, dont type it up, you do realize how easy it would be to change **** when its just in type like that. and just because you have the receipt doesnt prove you didnt run it and mess it up like he alleges. not taking sides here but your hurting your argument IMO

 

2 different dates only part blocked is personal info

 

What does that even prove? Nothing! Am I supposed to notice the slightly different date and just magically come up with the assumption that you must have almost blown up your motor and then sent it back to Golden Eagle? You explained nothing of what happened, not a single damn thing. All that was countlessly mentioned was that all parts were brand new 0 miles never started. And the parts were clearly not all brand new.

 

Your story is lies I have no more time for spoiled little boy who spend all there time trying to get over on honest hard working people we both know what the truth is get bent no matter what you do or what you say you'll never get 1000 $ from me.

 

It proves my end of the story and proves that youare leaving parts of the the truth out that don't coninside with your fibs keep telling lies it makes no difference to me I'm sick of this whole situation and you keep telling everyone what ever you want you'll never extort monies from me I don't care I'm not even gonna go there with the personal messages because your just gonna lie more saying what ever you want you scammers are all the same

 

the fact that you keep saying you told him everything yet you fail to post pm's, text, emails, etc of you actually telling him anything is making him look like the one telling the truth. if your going to keep saying "i told you blah blah blah" then post it up and quit saying it.

 

at the end of the day, what was sold was not as fully described... lack of actual pictures of evidence to back up the seller will only lead you towards a negative to the honda community which will soon spread out further out of the forums... better just settle this the right way and you both have to take a fall, buyer by spending money to machine the motor, seller to agree to give partial cash back... lets try to keep this as a hobby/lifestyle, not a game of scamming...

 

peter , leave it at this - screw it and let him say as he will. hes gonna do the **** even if he was satisfied but is broke and needs money to finish his build. thats my opinion. i think that if he threw a head on the motor and compression tested it . i think the compression would come out good. that motor doesnt need pulled apart.,,,,,,,,,

did he have somone pull the block apart? had it been disassmbled at all?

 

So you read the entire thread, read everything we've said back and forth, looked at the facts, and all you can come up with is "he is broke and needs money to finish his build". Are you kidding me? Like I said previously, if I was picking up coins off the side of the street I wouldn't be spending $8-10,000 on my car in last couple months. How can you even deduct that from everything that's been said on this matter? You too are missing the point that everything was explained, described, and listed as brand new, yet it was received with used pistons each with scratches, rods, and cylinder damage. Peter refuses to wake up from the dream he's living and face that facts that he committed fraud, and won't man up to it, or help with repairing any of the damage. IT'S NOT BECAUSE I NEED MONEY, IT IS BECAUSE HE LIED AND SHOULD MAN UP TO THOSE LIES. Why should I spend another $1,000 repairing a motor that is supposed to be brand new never started.

None of this is a hard concept to understand.

I brought it to the very reputable shop that I frequent and we all opened it up fresh out of the packaging together. These are guys that have been building honda's for decades. They said they would attest to the damage and used parts for anything I need in my fight to settle this fair.

 

if all is true on your end then i feel bad that things wernt discussed and settled but bashing someones name makes you no better then him , be a man and handle it (the smart way) like a man , file against him in court and if you win (you will if all is true) then put a lien on his vehicle or personal assets and get your money back that way. otherwise talkin smack on the guy is not going to get you your money. i hope it works out in the end and neither one of you end up on the bad end of the stick

 

I agree with BLUX I think its in farnival's interest to settle this matter fairly and wisely..in the end you need to ask yourself,"Is a few extra dollars worth my reputation"?

 

hes not the one talking smack, in case you missed it the other guy is the one who keeps talking **** on his dad, this is one of the smart ways of handling it, if he feels he got scammed thats what this section is for, feedback. although it cant make anyone do anything it gets the word out IF people are scammers so others dont do business with them

 

That motor does not look as described from the post. How did you pay for the motor? No pictures were posted before you purchased the block. I would not buy anything with out at least looking at it.

 

how is it that we are now in the year in 2011 and the date on the pics are 2005?