What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over???
 

Little "E" leading the DP at the ROLEX?? Jimmy Johnson and Tony Stewart running there too??? Jeff Gordon and Montoya switching cars for the fun of it???

And Team America with Jeff Gordon and Jimmie Johnson racing in the 2002 Race of Champions ???

Maybe they really, really want to make right hand turns. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...es/emsmile.gif

lol, i guess you can take only so much shit from the nascar 'drama' maybe its time for some real racing

Re: (phantom_sol)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by phantom_sol &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">lol, i guess you can take only so much shit from the nascar 'drama' maybe its time for some real racing</TD></TR></TABLE>

Or they're getting tired of hearing they can't make right hand turns. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...es/emsmile.gif

Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (Civic242)
 

I think it's great. With guys like Boris Said and Scott Pruett showing up to the NASCAR weekends at Sears Point and the Glen, maybe this is a little one-upsmanship?

Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (krshultz)
 

I think it's great, too--more exposure for sports car racing should trickle down to the rest of us. And remember, back in the day, lots of top drivers ran sports cars as well as ovals--Mark Donohue, AJ Foyt, Andretti, etc.

Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (David S. Wallens)
 

It's too bad for Dale Jr. and the gang today, they broke the suspension with 20 min. left 'cause the wheel ca,e off?

They were doing so good!

Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (VWkila)
 

I'll be pulling for Boris in the Shootout next weekend!!!

Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (David S. Wallens)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by David S. Wallens &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think it's great, too--more exposure for sports car racing should trickle down to the rest of us. And remember, back in the day, lots of top drivers ran sports cars as well as ovals--Mark Donohue, AJ Foyt, Andretti, etc. </TD></TR></TABLE>

That would be nice. Certainly names like Stewart and Dale Jr in the Rolex 24 Hour can't hurt.

Re: (phantom_sol)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by phantom_sol &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">lol, i guess you can take only so much shit from the nascar 'drama' maybe its time for some real racing</TD></TR></TABLE>

yeah http://images.honda-tech.com/set1//smile/emcrook.gif because NASCAR isn't real racing at all

does anyone realize that Jr. and Stewart were approached by the team to drive?

funny how one of the regular drivers in NASCAR that everyone knows drove open wheel road racing, Robbie Gordon, put his car into the wall early in the race when Dale Jr. was turning some of the fastest laps in the rain

Re: (urbanlegend21)
 

Just ignore the ignorant, man. The fact that the guys who are currently fast in the Nextel cup are among the best drivers in the world - period - doesn't keep people from disparaging stock car racing.

Their skill might have something to do with being able to manage the throttle and, through it, wheelspin on something with way more power than grip. That and RACING a bazillion miles each year while many sports car regulars are sitting by the pool trying to figure out how to spend the bucks that they aren't putting into their racing.

K

Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (Civic242)
 

The Grand-am series is owned by Bill France, who also owns NASCAR. So I'm sure he had a little influence over it. You can be sure pigs will fly before any NASCAR boys get to drive in American Lemans (aka Grand-Am's rival)

Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (VWkila)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VWkila &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's too bad for Dale Jr. and the gang today, they broke the suspension with 20 min. left 'cause the wheel ca,e off?

They were doing so good!</TD></TR></TABLE>

IIRC they broke the suspension (rr rocker) in the last hour, didn't have time to fixit with only a 1.XX lap lead, limped the car around trying to stay ahead of the eventual winner (running it so low at the RR that the LF tire was off the ground much of the time), then REALLY broke it with like 18 minutes remaining (that's when the suspension snapped and the wheel came off, during braking for the chicane...)

Tony and Dale can flat-out DRIVE. Did anyone else see the part when Tony was chasing people down in the rain, doing 2:01's against other teams' 2:03-2:06 laps?

If it brings more fans to Grand-Am, I'm all for it... and even though I'm not a NASCAR fan, I thought they did a helluva great job (ESPECIALLY in a new car) and I was sorry that they lost - especially in such a dramatic way! https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...s/emsmilep.gif

Jon

Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (getfast)
 

yep, rr rocker broke. the left rear didn't break, the wheel lug came off. happened several other times in the race, even early in the final stint tony did before the rocker broke.

anybody else think the announcers sucked ass?

how about tony's reaction when the front wheel fell off and later when the suspension broker, and then later still when the left wheel fell off? never blinked. expression didn't change at all. if it weren't for the smoke and noise, you'd think the car was 100%.

nate

Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (getfast)
 

Yes, I too was very bummed for them on the end result. They (the #2 and #9 cars) were a ton of fun to watch (had a kick ass spot to watch from thanks to the IsaacDirect boys) coming out of Intl. Horseshoe. I thought the Nascar guys did a tremendous job and I can't wait to see more of them running these races and the spectators they bring with them.

BTW, I think after this weekend, GM definately has a real good eye on the prize as far as motorsports goes. A Speed GT Caddy, a GAC Caddy (due out later), the Pontiac and Chevy Daytona Prototypes, the introduction of RWD sports coupes for the street market, streamlining their entry in Nascar and so on ... this is a US car manufacturer IMO worth rooting for on all levels of motorsport. And that #10 Pontiac looked like it could just walk the bleep away from the field before they had problems - that seemed to me to be the car to beat.

Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (solo-x)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by solo-x &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yep, rr rocker broke. the left rear didn't break, the wheel lug came off. happened several other times in the race, even early in the final stint tony did before the rocker broke.</TD></TR></TABLE>

O yeah, that was the LR that broke and put them out, not the already failing RR, https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...s/emhammer.gif to me, I was taking a peebreak at the time https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...s/emsmilep.gif

PS- what was with all those wheels coming off anyway? Happened at least 3 times I can recall...

Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over???
 

yeah, it takes zero skill to turn left...........https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...s/emhammer.gif


once you drive a NAWSSKAR track @ speed you'll understand how good these good 'ole boys are.

Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (B18CXr)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18CXr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah, it takes zero skill to turn left...........https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...s/emhammer.gif

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Yep.
It appears that everyone you see say that NASCRAP guys can't drive have never actually done something like enter NASCAR #3 at Lowes without lifting. Its not just a matter of balls, you have to know what youre doing. More than a few good road racers have just plain old not been able to do it and are scared to try it again. Now, try doing it at 180mph, 3 wide, in a 3000lb hunk of shit.
Driving? nahhhh. Theres no driving there.

Personally I don't like NASCAR and I hate their fan base (Typically a bunch of ignorant rednecks who just want to see a wreck, Tony Stewart caught some flak last year for actually saying this in a Speed Channel special on his career). But don't hold this against the drivers. Because the sport can be silly sometimes and the fans tend to be shitheads doesn't mean the drivers can't drive.

Between JJ and J. Gordon winning the whole nations cup thing (which, keep in mind guys is a RALLY event, something they'd never done before. Think Solberg and M. Martin can come over here and beat Dale Jr and T. Stewart in some NASCAR laps around Lowes???), and these guys continuing to do well when they climb in sports cars (Geoff Bodine drove a prototype in several races last year), I think the whole "NASCRAP guys can't drive" thing needs to be put to rest.
Sure, Fellows, Said, Pruett, etc. keep showing up at road races and doing well. But that is their SPECIALTY. Its what they do, all the time. Don't think for a minute that Dale Jr., Stewart, and Gordon wouldn't be just as fast if all they did was road race all year, every year.

Scott, reminding everyone that Boris is a great driver, but in a couple of years of truck racing rarely even got close to the front of the pack when just turning left. Hmmmm... Why?

Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (phat-S)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by phat-S &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">had a kick ass spot to watch from thanks to the IsaacDirect boys</TD></TR></TABLE>

Damnit Adam... I wished I'd known you going to be there! I got a last minute call to work with one of the teams that use my software so I was there all weekend.

Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (sjasmund)
 

Doh! Argh man, what team were you there with? I pretty much stayed with the Aines/Istook guys from after the GAC race until the Rolex start when I meet up with the Isaac guys up in the stands around 12:30. Dude, I am bummed I missed meeting up with you.

Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (getfast)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by getfast &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">PS- what was with all those wheels coming off anyway? Happened at least 3 times I can recall...
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my guess is that it probably had something to do with the temperature difference between the new wheel/tire and the rest of the hub assembly. it was happening to a lot of other teams as well, just not quite so spectacularly. that's just my guess though.

what? a high percentage of nascar fans watch the races for no reason other then seeing a crash? no way!!! https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...s/emsmilep.gif

my problem with nascar is that you can't really _see_ how talented the guys are. it "looks" easy. the in-car of tony at the rolex was what really impressed me. way smoother then half the other in-car shots of the other drivers. nascar, give me more short tracks and road courses, you'll have yourself another fan.

nate

Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (solo-x)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by solo-x &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">


what? a high percentage of nascar fans watch the races for no reason other then seeing a crash? no way!!! https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...s/emsmilep.gif


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This is a trend that is changing very fast. With the total emphasis on safety last season NASCAR has begun to instill in the average fan that racing is more than bumping and wrecking. I do believe when the sport lost Earnhardt senior, fans began to realize that the crashes were hurting the sport.

I am a die hard NASCAR fan. I will probably always be if they stay in their current setup. Racing is racing wether it is ALMS or lawnmowers. Each different aspect takes some sort of advanced skill to win in. I also fully believe that to be the best in one variety will lead to success in another form if you apply your skills right.

Last year Dale Jr. hated road course racing. This year he said he learned more in one lap at speed in the rain then he did in most of his road course racing. Don't think you won't see him, Tony Stewart, and Jimmie Johnson racing at the front at tracks like Sonoma and Watkins Glen.

NASCAR is the series people love to hate because the fan base is easy to look down on. Do you think these "rednecks" look at CART or Indy and go "Look at all those stuck up pricks"?
Don't think so. They enjoy and identify with a series that decided to dumb down the the technology and experience so a broader base of consumer can enjoy.


Morgan - dumb redneck who enjoys NASCAR because where else can you party with 500,000 people who all want to have fun and watch good racing

Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (phat-S)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by phat-S &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Doh! Argh man, what team were you there with?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I was helping with race strategy and assorted computer related goodies for AASCO Motorsports in SGS.

I think they used up a whole season worth of back luck this weekend. We could have clawed our way back to the podium if it wasn't for the stupid 3 hour "competition yellow" and 2 hour "competition red" that GA threw because the DP's ran out of freakin' rain tires! In the wet we were 10-15 seconds per lap faster than everyone else. Bah!

Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (sjasmund)
 

Man, if you were in the paddock during the rush, this is one very small world Scott https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...es/emsmile.gif I was right outside that garage when they were thrashing to get the 16 car back out - we (one of the rental drivers and the crew chief) just happened to meet up one pit down from there (the Audi guys were meeting up so they could head home). At this point, they were struggling with the replacement bumper cover and a driver was grabbing some yellow racers tape out of the war wagon. We were across the paddock space about 15' away (green golf cart). Right as we started to head out, the 17 came by on the tow hook.

http://espn.go.com/rpm/wc/2004/0201/1725029.html

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jimmy spencer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Spencer: They bombed Pearl Harbor
Associated Press

NASCAR will not penalize driver Jimmy Spencer for a remark about the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor or his hope that Toyota's venture into truck racing will be a failure.

"That's Jimmy Spencer," NASCAR spokesman Jim Hunter said Sunday when asked about comments the outspoken driver made last week about Toyota's entry into Craftsman Truck competition.

They "bombed Pearl Harbor, don't forget," the San Antonio Express-News quoted the 46-year-old driver as saying during media day at Texas Motor Speedway.

"As long as it's good for the economy, I guess it's OK," said Spencer, who added that he was rooting for Ford, Chevrolet and Dodge to humiliate Toyota.
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why don't this here quote surprise me a smidgeon?

Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (urbanlegend21)
 

I disagree to an extent Morgan.
I do think that the loss of Dale Sr. brought a whole bunch of people down to earth over the whole smash and wreck thing. But, in the few NASCAR races that I watched last year I still heard a WHOLE BUNCH of folks cheerin' hootin' and hollerin' in the stands whenever there was a wreck. The bigger the crash, the louder the cheers.
This is just unacceptable behavior for any sport. As Tony Stewart said... "You don't even know if that driver is dead or alive in that car and you are cheering the wreck?"

NASCAR fans may not like being called ignorant rednecks and such by fans of other motorsports, but they damned sure seem to have the market cornered for acting like assholes when their drivers smash into something. Want to stop being called ignorant? OK, stop acting ignorant.

Scott, who wonders how much Joe Bob would like it if Dale Jr. and I hung out at his job site and cheered like idiots when the lift broke and dropped a car on his ass.

why do we think this is new?

Heck, Dale and Dale Jr. ran in '00 in the Vettes...did "pretty well" too.

Oh, and PS, about the wheels falling off...

http://plaza.ufl.edu/protege/118_1885.JPG

Posted this in the other rolex thread, but figured some might not have seen it.

Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (phat-S)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by phat-S &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Man, if you were in the paddock during the rush, this is one very small world Scott</TD></TR></TABLE>

No, while all the thrashing was going on I was still in the pits watching our hole get a little deeper very 2 minutes. http://images.honda-tech.com/set1//smile/emcrook.gif

We probably walked past each other a hundred times over the weekend though. I walked through the GAC paddock a bunch of times on my way to/from the Porsche truck.

Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (phat-S)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by phat-S &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes, I too was very bummed for them on the end result. They (the #2 and #9 cars) were a ton of fun to watch (had a kick ass spot to watch from thanks to the IsaacDirect boys) coming out of Intl. Horseshoe. I thought the Nascar guys did a tremendous job and I can't wait to see more of them running these races and the spectators they bring with them.

BTW, I think after this weekend, GM definately has a real good eye on the prize as far as motorsports goes. A Speed GT Caddy, a GAC Caddy (due out later), the Pontiac and Chevy Daytona Prototypes, the introduction of RWD sports coupes for the street market, streamlining their entry in Nascar and so on ... this is a US car manufacturer IMO worth rooting for on all levels of motorsport. And that #10 Pontiac looked like it could just walk the bleep away from the field before they had problems - that seemed to me to be the car to beat. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Hey "S", are you still wringing wet!!

Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (Catch 22)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Catch 22 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Scott, who wonders how much Joe Bob would like it if Dale Jr. and I hung out at his job site and cheered like idiots when the lift broke and dropped a car on his ass.</TD></TR></TABLE>

*points*
[nelson voice]haha![/nelson voice]

the nascar ads i still see on tv show wrecks, crashes, more wrecks, and a few flips and fireballs. seems like nascar is still marketing the wrecks over the racing. is perception changing? every monday at the water cooler, "did you see the wreck at (name a track) between (name some drivers)??!!?" i have yet to hear, "did you see (name your driver) set up the pass on (name another driver)??!!?"

nate

Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (Catch 22)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Catch 22 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

NASCAR fans may not like being called ignorant rednecks and such by fans of other motorsports, but they damned sure seem to have the market cornered for acting like assholes when their drivers smash into something. Want to stop being called ignorant? OK, stop acting ignorant.

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Ahhh, I see, the group that enjoys other forms of motorsports are such a higher class of people they can look down on those who enjoy NASCAR?

I think there are a bigger group of assholes in amatuer racing because everyone seems to complain and point fingers when things do not go their way? Whats the difference.

I think there is a bigger reason why a certain group of people, mainly amatuer racers or import enthusiasts hate NASCAR. Can't seem to explain it clearly but there is one.

Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (solo-x)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by solo-x &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

the nascar ads i still see on tv show wrecks, crashes, more wrecks, and a few flips and fireballs. seems like nascar is still marketing the wrecks over the racing. is perception changing? every monday at the water cooler, "did you see the wreck at (name a track) between (name some drivers)??!!?" i have yet to hear, "did you see (name your driver) set up the pass on (name another driver)??!!?"

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How many of the millions watching know how to explain passing to a co-worker? How many times in a race does a person get passed? What kind of conversation starts with "Hey did you see Dale Jr setup Kevin Harvick for that pass halfway through the race?"


I think all of you assume that these people have the knowledge of a lot of the aspects of racing that we do. Or that they care to. Then you judge them and call them stupid because they do not get it. Maybe they do not want to. Maybe they do not want to feel left out at Cart race, or a Honda-Challenge race, because they do nto get what is going on?

Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (sjasmund)
 

Scott, we probably did. I wish I had thought to shoot you an email before I left. Will do so next time as I am going to try go to at least some relatively nearby GAC races if I can - not sure if you have any customers in that series but if so ...

Actually Allan I fortunately got to stay rather dry. The IsaacDirect guys set it up for their head restraint users (sent out a mailer if we wanted to go) to go and I got an International Pavillion ticket so we'd go out and watch from the grandstand outside the (heated https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...es/emsmile.gif) tent, duck back in for coffee/hot meal/big screen tvs/lap stats, back out, back in for a beer - it was a really cool way to go. I am probably a bit spoiled now but it really made for an excellent experience and real damned cool on their part.

Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (urbanlegend21)
 

I'm not following your logic Morgan.

Are you saying that most of the NASCAR fans either don't understand things like setting up passes or don't find it interesting enough to care about, so its OK for them to cheer when a human being smacks a concrete barrier at 180mph?

Sorry man. I can't agree with that being OK.

PS - As far as fireball ad campaigns are concerned, it just validates my point. Giving the people what they want is how you make money. NASCAR is giving the people what they want, which is carnage. If it kills a few drivers here and there... bah. Its a small price to pay (unless of course that driver is a Dale Sr., then they actually cringe a bit before they go right back to the flipping, burning, crashing ad campaigns).

Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (urbanlegend21)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by urbanlegend21 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

How many of the millions watching know how to explain passing to a co-worker? How many times in a race does a person get passed? What kind of conversation starts with "Hey did you see Dale Jr setup Kevin Harvick for that pass halfway through the race?"


I think all of you assume that these people have the knowledge of a lot of the aspects of racing that we do. Or that they care to. Then you judge them and call them stupid because they do not get it. Maybe they do not want to. Maybe they do not want to feel left out at Cart race, or a Honda-Challenge race, because they do nto get what is going on?</TD></TR></TABLE>

hey, i never called anyone stupid. maybe it could be infered, but that was not my intent. there are stupid people everywhere, to categorize them all as nascar fans is unfair for Rhode Island people. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...s/emsmilep.gif

you're right that i assume everyone that is into racing understands it the way i do. it's only human.

nate

Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (solo-x)
 

No, I am saying that unlike Cart, Indy, F1, where to fully understand and enjoy the racing you must get setting up passing and the logistics, NASCAR allows you to enjoy it wether you "get" racing or not.

Essentially what I am saying is that qualifying that NASCAR fans enjoy racing because of the wrecks is some sort of cop-out, bandwagon exscuse for people that do not have a good reason for not liking NASCAR beyond not connecting with the fan base. Saying that people who enjoy it and go to the races are ignorant rednecks is about the most assinine comment I have heard in a while. The fact that comments about NASCAR in this forum always make it seem as an inferior sport and fan base is ridiculous.

It also seems to me Speed Channel, Cart, F1 all show wrecks in their commercials too. Am I wrong?

As far as cheering for wrecks well, I guess you need to qualify any hockey and football fan as ignorant also because they cheer when their team puts a massive hit on another player. Cheering is a part of any sport. You put 150,000 people in a race arena where each and everyone one of them has a driver they love and one they hate you are godamned right they are going to cheer. To think they are cheering at the thought of someone being injured is crazy.

Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (urbanlegend21)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by urbanlegend21 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It also seems to me Speed Channel, Cart, F1 all show wrecks in their commercials too. Am I wrong? </TD></TR></TABLE>

No, you are absolutely correct as far as I am concerned. It is no different and to only point at Nascar and say its catering to the LCD is a crock. Just like saying only Nascar accepts/promotes tobacco and alcohol money - they all do and in my opinion, people talk about wrecks/spins/offs at the water cooler if its F1 or Nascar or Cart or the Runoffs.

Until the marketing wheels of road racing begin to turn with the efficiency and ease of those in Nascar, it will be what is the most watched and enjoyed by the masses. And if at some distant point, road racing takes on this same mass appeal, there will be a large group of people that don't like that either. Hell, I liked REM until they got popular https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...es/emsmile.gif

Amature Racing, it's not how good you are. It's how good you think you are.

Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (phat-S)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by phat-S &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Until the marketing wheels of road racing begin to turn with the efficiency and ease of those in Nascar, it will be what is the most watched and enjoyed by the masses.</TD></TR></TABLE>

IMO, in this case the efficiency of the wheels doesn't have that much to do with how fast they are spinning. It's the fact that the marketing wheels of road racing are forced to tread through mayonnaise, while the Nascar marketing wheels spin as easily as through thin air since there is such a larger audience out there in which to be effective in. But where does it start? Can the right kind of marketing create a larger audience? But then where will the money for the marketing campaign come from if no body is interested in the first place?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And if at some distant point, road racing takes on this same mass appeal, there will be a large group of people that don't like that either. Hell, I liked REM until they got popular https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...es/emsmile.gif</TD></TR></TABLE>

Another point of view is to note that *road racing* in itself, imo, is not what limits the mass appeal. If it were, it wouldn't be nearly as popular as it is in the rest of the world. It has to be a combination of other factors, one of which I believe that road racing in this country is just too secret. IMO, a large base of the nascar fans out there "choose" nascar simply because they are not aware, or know enough about to understand anything else. Nascar's target is the general public and offers them "racing". By doing this, the general public's view of "racing" has already been established as Nascar-oval racing. On the other hand in this country, road racing's target audience is much smaller, and as I see it, it's already reduced to the motorposrts/car fan in the first place, and then goes to offer them "road racing", as another choice. This is the fundamental problem faced by road racing in the US - Nascar's monopoly of the definition of what the word "racing" means for the general public. But how do you overcome this by anything other than a whole lot of marketing $$$? And if so, then where does this money come from if nobody is paying attention in the first place?

Ah.. if only our Nascar would be something like the Australian V8s. At least I would be all over it! Can we trade with them? https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emwink.gif

Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (Hracer)
 

I think this quote does a fine job of explaining NASCAR fans,

Bottom line...a culture that can't grasp "slower traffic keep right" is not fertile ground for the growth of sophisticated forms of motor racing. If you live here and you "get" it, savor your place among the enlightened few, but don't expect the guys around the water cooler to share your appreciation of the German Touring Car series.

-Dave Despain

Re: What's with all the NASCAR boys crossing over??? (Hracer)
 

Let's not neglect the nature of the American consumer, either. They are generally more sedentary, more overweight, and less tolerant of inconvenience. Rallying is enormously popular in other countries but the spectators park and walk miles into the stages, lugging food, drinks, and Petter Solberg banners. It's very difficult for me to imagine many race fans in the US willing to do that. Road racing is arguably better but simply making racing circuit venues more spectator-friendly would be a helpful move, if true popularity is the goal.

That said, how many people on this board don't like NASCAR essentially because it IS popular? Or at least for the REASONS it is popular?

K