Question on Helmets?
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Question on Helmets?
On a SA2000 Helmet, does the certification last 5 or 10 years? If it's 5 years, do they make SA2005 Helmets???
Sorry, I'm a noob to the Track.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Modified by jmk2888 at 9:22 PM 6/13/2005
Sorry, I'm a noob to the Track.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Modified by jmk2888 at 9:22 PM 6/13/2005
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Re: Question on Helmets? (speedracer33)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by speedracer33 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">SA2005 helmets will be out in October. Your SA2000 helmet is certified until the SA2010 helmets come out.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well not exactly.
The helmets are certified SA2000 or SA2005 or whatever. That never changes. Your helmet's certification does not expire.
What does change is that sanctioning bodies (and it varies from one to another) will ocassionaly change the requirements ever 5 years or so. Most rulebooks require a 95 up these days, and many are going to require 2000 up in the next year or two.
If you get a 2000 this year, you'll be good for at minimum 5 years for pretty much any sanctioning body out there.
Well not exactly.
The helmets are certified SA2000 or SA2005 or whatever. That never changes. Your helmet's certification does not expire.
What does change is that sanctioning bodies (and it varies from one to another) will ocassionaly change the requirements ever 5 years or so. Most rulebooks require a 95 up these days, and many are going to require 2000 up in the next year or two.
If you get a 2000 this year, you'll be good for at minimum 5 years for pretty much any sanctioning body out there.
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Re: Question on Helmets? (jmk2888)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jmk2888 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So should I wait for the SA2005 to come out or just buy a SA2000 for cheap???</TD></TR></TABLE>
I personally think that a helmet should probably be replaced every 5 years or so anyway, if you use it on a regular basis. The liners will get skanky, and even if you're careful with the helmet, they always seem to get bumped, etc.
If you only use the helmet a couple times a year, you probably should get a SA2005. If you use them all the time, you're goign to be shopping for a new one before your old one becomes not legal anyway so its moot.
I personally think that a helmet should probably be replaced every 5 years or so anyway, if you use it on a regular basis. The liners will get skanky, and even if you're careful with the helmet, they always seem to get bumped, etc.
If you only use the helmet a couple times a year, you probably should get a SA2005. If you use them all the time, you're goign to be shopping for a new one before your old one becomes not legal anyway so its moot.
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Re: Question on Helmets? (rotten)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rotten »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I personally think that a helmet should probably be replaced every 5 years or so anyway, if you use it on a regular basis. The liners will get skanky, and even if you're careful with the helmet, they always seem to get bumped, etc.
If you only use the helmet a couple times a year, you probably should get a SA2005. If you use them all the time, you're goign to be shopping for a new one before your old one becomes not legal anyway so its moot.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thanks for the advice, I'm planning to only attend the track a couple times a year.
So I guess I'll wait for the SA2005 Helmets.
I personally think that a helmet should probably be replaced every 5 years or so anyway, if you use it on a regular basis. The liners will get skanky, and even if you're careful with the helmet, they always seem to get bumped, etc.
If you only use the helmet a couple times a year, you probably should get a SA2005. If you use them all the time, you're goign to be shopping for a new one before your old one becomes not legal anyway so its moot.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thanks for the advice, I'm planning to only attend the track a couple times a year.
So I guess I'll wait for the SA2005 Helmets.
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Re: Question on Helmets? (rotten)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rotten »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The helmets are certified SA2000 or SA2005 or whatever. That never changes. Your helmet's certification does not expire.
What does change is that sanctioning bodies (and it varies from one to another) will ocassionaly change the requirements ever 5 years or so. Most rulebooks require a 95 up these days, and many are going to require 2000 up in the next year or two.
If you get a 2000 this year, you'll be good for at minimum 5 years for pretty much any sanctioning body out there.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Good description.
The sanctioning bodies and clubs and other groups holding events vary in terms of their requirements, so you will have to check with them to find out what they require. Most of the groups holding the HPDE events I participate in require one of the two most recent standards, and allow a year or two for a standard to be on the market before they stop accepting the oldest one. So groups now accept SA95 and SA2000; they will probably require SA2000 or later for events held beginning in 2007.
So, if you buy an SA2000 helmet, it will probably be accepted in most events through the year 2011. If you buy an SA2005, it will probably be accepted through 2016. As you properly note, when a new standard is being phased in, helmets with the previous standard can often be purchased at a nice closeout discount (and the new ones are rarely discounted), so the price difference can be a factor in choosing.
What does change is that sanctioning bodies (and it varies from one to another) will ocassionaly change the requirements ever 5 years or so. Most rulebooks require a 95 up these days, and many are going to require 2000 up in the next year or two.
If you get a 2000 this year, you'll be good for at minimum 5 years for pretty much any sanctioning body out there.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Good description.
The sanctioning bodies and clubs and other groups holding events vary in terms of their requirements, so you will have to check with them to find out what they require. Most of the groups holding the HPDE events I participate in require one of the two most recent standards, and allow a year or two for a standard to be on the market before they stop accepting the oldest one. So groups now accept SA95 and SA2000; they will probably require SA2000 or later for events held beginning in 2007.
So, if you buy an SA2000 helmet, it will probably be accepted in most events through the year 2011. If you buy an SA2005, it will probably be accepted through 2016. As you properly note, when a new standard is being phased in, helmets with the previous standard can often be purchased at a nice closeout discount (and the new ones are rarely discounted), so the price difference can be a factor in choosing.
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Re: Question on Helmets? (nsxtasy)
As noted, the clubs make the rules about which helmets are acceptable.
My SA95 will be obsolete for most track events at the end of the year. However, many clubs allow an extra 5 years for autocross, so I'll probably donate the helmet to the local SCCA chapter to use a loaner and buy myself a new one, as I do a few track days each year.
My SA95 will be obsolete for most track events at the end of the year. However, many clubs allow an extra 5 years for autocross, so I'll probably donate the helmet to the local SCCA chapter to use a loaner and buy myself a new one, as I do a few track days each year.
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Re: Question on Helmets? (Crack Monkey)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Crack Monkey »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My SA95 will be obsolete for most track events at the end of the year.</TD></TR></TABLE>
This year, meaning for events in 2006? That's doubtful. Every club I know that changes its standard, allows at least a full year from the time a new standard is available (which the SA2005 won't be until October) - not only to give people a chance to buy them, but also because the new standard is often in short supply right after it comes out.
Check with the group that's holding the events to be sure, but I would be extremely surprised to hear of a group that stops accepting SA95 helmets for its events in 2006.
This year, meaning for events in 2006? That's doubtful. Every club I know that changes its standard, allows at least a full year from the time a new standard is available (which the SA2005 won't be until October) - not only to give people a chance to buy them, but also because the new standard is often in short supply right after it comes out.
Check with the group that's holding the events to be sure, but I would be extremely surprised to hear of a group that stops accepting SA95 helmets for its events in 2006.
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Re: Question on Helmets? (nsxtasy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This year, meaning for events in 2006? That's doubtful. Every club I know that changes its standard, allows at least a full year from the time a new standard is available (which the SA2005 won't be until October) - not only to give people a chance to buy them, but also because the new standard is often in short supply right after it comes out.
Check with the group that's holding the events to be sure, but I would be extremely surprised to hear of a group that stops accepting SA95 helmets for its events in 2006.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Looking at the SCCA GCR, they do in fact give a one year grace period (SA2000 will be the oldest allowed on 1/1/07).
Check with the group that's holding the events to be sure, but I would be extremely surprised to hear of a group that stops accepting SA95 helmets for its events in 2006.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Looking at the SCCA GCR, they do in fact give a one year grace period (SA2000 will be the oldest allowed on 1/1/07).
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jmk2888 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I decided to get a Bell Mag4 SA2000 for a very discounted price, any comments/opinions on a Mag4???</TD></TR></TABLE>
Nothing on that helmet, specifically. But if you can, try one on for size in person, where you buy it. Helmets that you buy by mail, thinking they will be comfortable, often aren't...
Nothing on that helmet, specifically. But if you can, try one on for size in person, where you buy it. Helmets that you buy by mail, thinking they will be comfortable, often aren't...
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Re: (nsxtasy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Nothing on that helmet, specifically. But if you can, try one on for size in person, where you buy it. Helmets that you buy by mail, thinking they will be comfortable, often aren't...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yup, helmets are like shoes - brands/styles/sizes all feel a bit different and some people just don't like some helmets.
Yup, helmets are like shoes - brands/styles/sizes all feel a bit different and some people just don't like some helmets.
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Nothing on that helmet, specifically. But if you can, try one on for size in person, where you buy it. Helmets that you buy by mail, thinking they will be comfortable, often aren't...
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Thanks for the advice, it's actually a local shop and I'll go try it first before I go buy.
I'm just thinking that I wanted an Open Face Helmet because it can get very hot in Sol. Cal.
Also, do people wear a Balaclava with Open Face Helmets?
Modified by jmk2888 at 7:14 AM 6/15/2005
Nothing on that helmet, specifically. But if you can, try one on for size in person, where you buy it. Helmets that you buy by mail, thinking they will be comfortable, often aren't...
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Thanks for the advice, it's actually a local shop and I'll go try it first before I go buy.
I'm just thinking that I wanted an Open Face Helmet because it can get very hot in Sol. Cal.
Also, do people wear a Balaclava with Open Face Helmets?
Modified by jmk2888 at 7:14 AM 6/15/2005
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While this is a matter of personal opinion, I would NOT buy an open face helmet if you are doing track events. Believe me your face and the rest of you can travel very far inside the cockpit of your car in the unlikely event of a major impact with a fixed object trackside. That is more likely with OEM seatbelts. A full face helmet will protect that part of your head that most people seem to cherish, one's face. I have seen some ugly dental injuries when a driver lost control and crunched his car while wearing an open face helmet. I know it gets hot in SoCal but it gets hot as hell in Alabama and we throw 90% humidity on top of it.
I would not get into a track car with an open face helmet.
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I would not get into a track car with an open face helmet.
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At the very least, you will save yourself hearing the chief instructor's lecture about it.
At the very least, you will save yourself hearing the chief instructor's lecture about it.
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I know what you mean that's why I'm getting my own Helmet.
I know what you mean that's why I'm getting my own Helmet.
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My SA2000 MAG 4 is serving me very well indeed. Just a tad tight when I have my earbuds but otherwise comfortable. Have had it for 4 years and no complaints otherwise. My next lid will be a wide opeing full-face version. Simpson has one in their line that fits me just right and the radio wiring does not interfere with comfort.
For those wondering-I come from the open car open face era and simply prefer the open helmet. You MUST try them on before buying. That assumes you have never worn one of either type. Bell and Simpson do not use the exact same sizing template. Personal preference is Bell, but don't get stuck on brand-go for fit.
For those wondering-I come from the open car open face era and simply prefer the open helmet. You MUST try them on before buying. That assumes you have never worn one of either type. Bell and Simpson do not use the exact same sizing template. Personal preference is Bell, but don't get stuck on brand-go for fit.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jc836 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My SA2000 MAG 4 is serving me very well indeed. Just a tad tight when I have my earbuds but otherwise comfortable. Have had it for 4 years and no complaints otherwise. My next lid will be a wide opeing full-face version. Simpson has one in their line that fits me just right and the radio wiring does not interfere with comfort.
For those wondering-I come from the open car open face era and simply prefer the open helmet. You MUST try them on before buying. That assumes you have never worn one of either type. Bell and Simpson do not use the exact same sizing template. Personal preference is Bell, but don't get stuck on brand-go for fit. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Fit is the MOST important consideration when it comes to safety. The better it fits the safer it is. Luckily, OMP fits my mellon perfectly. My old Mag4 fit prety well, but I won't use open face on a track, only autox.
Plus, I don't smoke anymore so I no longer require an open face helmet on track.
For those wondering-I come from the open car open face era and simply prefer the open helmet. You MUST try them on before buying. That assumes you have never worn one of either type. Bell and Simpson do not use the exact same sizing template. Personal preference is Bell, but don't get stuck on brand-go for fit.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Fit is the MOST important consideration when it comes to safety. The better it fits the safer it is. Luckily, OMP fits my mellon perfectly. My old Mag4 fit prety well, but I won't use open face on a track, only autox.
Plus, I don't smoke anymore so I no longer require an open face helmet on track.
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