Bummer. I didn't realize we could run modified (SM/SP) cars in the ST class. Coolio, I think I found a new place for my E30 to play. I gotta get rid of these junky Sumitomos sometime though. They're getting ripped up quit quickly.

Is there anything we can't run in the ST class?

Warren

 

I assume you're talking Street Tire and not Street Touring? Yes, even A Mod can run in the street tire class.

 

Now THAT I'd like to see... hehehe...

 

what kind of street tires could you put on an AMod? Yes, I'd like to get some of those 245/20/12 Falkens, please.

Chris, who has no idea what size tire/wheel goes on decent AMod cars.

 

If you mean ST as in Street Tire, nasa runs a street tire at every event, and i'm sure some other regions do as well.

If you mean ST as in Street Touring... then the AMod cars cant play, but i dont know about E30 M3's - you can run a 325, or 330, so i imagine the M3 can play. The rule sez "not sports car based".

-Ryan 95SC2

 

Uh, Mr. Webmaster, read the supps. Technically, no modified or prepared cars can run street tire.... the only exceptions I make are street-driven cars (licensed, tagged, you know what I mean).

I'm thinking of breaking the street tire class into two categories for next year though -- "big bore" and "small bore." What are the thoughts on that?

Karen

 

I don't read directions very well.

 

Many folks who've heard me do presentations say I'm a "big bore". Guess I'll have to run against the Lightning, unless I take a course in public speaking.

(edit) BTW, can I run an STS car in Street Tire? Seems appropriate.


[Modified by Geezer, 7:15 AM 11/21/2001]

 

Oh, yeah, that's the other exception, since by definition STS is street tire. Of course, I guess you could run STRX.....

Karen

 

The E30 M3 cannot run in STS (Street Touring Street Tire). Actually no M3 can run in STS

 

I think the street tire class is OK as it is. "Big bore" and "small bore" cars seem to be pretty competitive with each other using the PAX. Plus, I like hearing Corvette drivers whine when they get beat by a Sentra.

I would however make a "big bore" Street Touring class for sedans that don't fit in the current STS guidelines (over 3.1L, turbo, non-VLSD cars like Type R's) and maybe a sports car Street Touring class for 2-seaters.

In fact, if I was the NASA-Virginia autocross director, this is what I would do:

- Combine ASP and BSP into one class
- Combine CSP and DSP (and move some of the faster FSP cars in this group like those 1.8L Escorts )
- Ban "stand alone" fuel management (ie Electromotive, TEC II, etc) from Street Prepared
- No STR
- Combine AP, BP and FP into one class
- Combine DP and EP
- Combine AM, BM, CM and FM
- Combine DM and EM

At a national level, this probably wouldn't be effective but for the cars we see in the NASA Virginia Region, competition would be pretty close in the combined classes, IMO.

 

One of the things I like about street tire classes is the chance to run against cars I wouldn't normally be classed with. It's a "run what ya brung" class that is usually rather large and often brings the most variety and fun to competition. It's a class where anything can happen.

My $.02

Andy
'91 Z06 doormat

 

That might work well for NASA, but then... any big events roll along, and you have the Florida State Championship situation in STS that non-standard SCCA classing shot to hell. Oh well... Jesse and I have been playing tag at the last two test and tunes down here, I think both times he's been .2 faster. He's pretty darn quick in that Protege. Without getting into that argument again, I think it would be fair to say that changing around classing increases the potential for confusion.

 

Hey Pat, I thought SE-R's WERE big bore...hehehehe

 

Pat wasn't talking about adding cars to the existing STS, but adding another STS class, along the lines of what the original Street Touring program was supposed to be. In other words, the idea is to bring back ST2 and ST3.... for the cars that aren't classed in ST1 (STS).

Karen

 

The Street Mod guys have a proposal on the table to make SM2 (or SSM) for non-SM legal cars:
http://www.wincom.net/trog/stu/sm2_rules.html

We in THSCC are considering offering the class for 2002. Would NASA-VA consider doing the same? It would be nice for us to have consistency in the area. The FI Miata guys in the area want the nice, soft SM2 PAX (0.856 for SM2 versus 0.904 for EM).

 

We've been running Super Street Mod (basically SM2) all year! I think only Grant Boss' supercharghed Impala and the guy with the supercharged Del Sol have run it, though.

 

http://www.nasaracing.net/autox/supps.shtml 6e.

Request granted.

 

Ahh, okay. Pardon my misinterpretation, please. Might there be a place to dig up the original ST2 and ST3 proposals?

 

The only groups that might still have the original ST proposal would be in CenDiv, since that's the only area that actually ran all three ST classes at the divisional level (I saw an ST3 Camaro at CenDivs that year --1999). I haven't been able to get a hold of the proposal, but I think we could come up with something reasonable.

Obviously, we'll have to exclude the WRX from the classing... j/k!!

Karen

 

Some other WRX drivers might be offended, but not so much me. I just got my 2nd set of wheels yesterday from Chris Fleming. Stolen for $400 with 45 miles on them, they will be getting some new race rubber soon and umm... they've got stock RE92s on them, which will be replacements for the pre-existing set on the vehicle right now. No exotic street tires for me in the near future! That and... geez, it's expensive enough to get the car setup reasonably close for stock and I've already travelled down that ST road before. It gets expensive in a major hurry!

 

But I never asked to run in STS. Our local NASA division has an ST class, as per subject.

Warren

 

Perhaps we should merely refer to this by the title given to it by the VA region clubs... "X-tire" class, in which street tires are run and results are caluclated using each respective vehicle's race-tire PAX index. Hence, the ST would represent Street Tire as Warren is using the letters, and not Street Touring Street-tire such as is the current STS designation. Karen points out that there were originally different levels of "ST" planned in the form of ST1, ST2 and ST3 where many more cars were allowed to compete, but it seems only the ST1 concept reached fruition in the form of the STS class.