Excerpts from my upcoming book: Wiley Coyote's "Pocket Race Car Engineer"...
 

"....true that Sway Bars reduce suspension Independence...you therefore want to maximize spring rate and run a Z-bar...you want to run as much Z-bar as you can without affecting driveablity...note that the more Z-bar you run the more spring rate you can, and in fact need, to run....the more Z-bar you run the greater the Independence....which is what handling is all about."

"....many car manufacturers appear ignorant of simple physics....brake calipers must be on the downward moving side of the rotor to ensure that the tires are pushed into the road surface....incorrect mounting can result, in extreme cases, in the tire actually being pulled up off the road....resulting in reduced traction"

That's all I'm gonna share with you for now. I'm not that far along with the book, and as you can imagine it's very hard understanding this stuff well enough to write a book about it.

Scott, who apologizes to Carroll Smith...


Modified by RR98ITR at 9:19 PM 10/4/2004

Re: Excerpts from my upcoming book: Wiley Coyote's "Pocket Race Car Engineer"... (RR98ITR)
 

Apologies are for the weak. You'll lose your ACME sponsorship if you don't stand by your tuning methods.

Re: Excerpts from my upcoming book: Wiley Coyote's "Pocket Race Car Engineer"... (RR98ITR)
 

Is there a chapter on zip ties?

Re: Excerpts from my upcoming book: Wiley Coyote's "Pocket Race Car Engineer"... (Angry Joe)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Angry Joe &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is there a chapter on zip ties?</TD></TR></TABLE>

No, that's a separate b00k:

"Wiley Coyote's L00se Nuts, Bolts, Zipties and Duct Tape Handbook"

Re: Excerpts from my upcoming book: Wiley Coyote's "Pocket Race Car Engineer"... (El Pollo Diablo)
 

People, people, let's get this straight..

It's "Wile E. Coyote."

Re: Excerpts from my upcoming book: Wiley Coyote's "Pocket Race Car Engineer"... (RR98ITR)
 

What is a Z-bar?

Re: Excerpts from my upcoming book: Wiley Coyote's "Pocket Race Car Engineer"... (Jon V)
 

Dunno...but I hear Z-Germans are coming...

Re: Excerpts from my upcoming book: Wiley Coyote's "Pocket Race Car Engineer"... (Jon V)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jon V &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What is a Z-bar?</TD></TR></TABLE>

a bar that functions on the z-polar when the sun is halfway between the east and west lateral extremes.

Re: Excerpts from my upcoming book: Wiley Coyote's "Pocket Race Car Engineer"... (MichaelJComputer)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MichaelJComputer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

a bar that functions on the z-polar when the sun is halfway between the east and west lateral extremes.</TD></TR></TABLE>

and here i thought it was just a place that sold zima..

where can i get me one of these fancy dancy acme sponsorships?

Re: Excerpts from my upcoming book: Wiley Coyote's "Pocket Race Car Engineer"... (mstewar)
 

Sorry Doods, I am the Sole Authorized North American Distributor for ACME, and I have the only full factory ride available (I'm the only person so far willing to sign their liability waiver).

Here's another passage I lovingly crafted while in an altered state of consciousness:::

"...it's simple logic really - adjustable damper body length allows ride height change without changing the preload....since there's no change in preload there's no change in corner weight....don't let unscrupulous tuners try to take advantage of you like a crooked chiropractor!"

Scott, who say's "You don't know what a Z-bar is? How could you not know what a Z-bar is? A Z-bar is the opposite of an anti-roll bar. They are sometimes seen on old swing axle cars like VW Bugs and FV's. This embarrassing lineage has prevented the Z-bar's "Amazing Properties" from being discovered and exploited on current racing machinery....you can still find them though in JC Whitney, and, of course, ACME catalogs...

Re: Excerpts from my upcoming book: Wiley Coyote's "Pocket Race Car Engineer"... (RR98ITR)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RR98ITR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sorry Doods, I am the Sole Authorized North American Distributor for ACME, and I have the only full factory ride available (I'm the only person so far willing to sign their liability waiver).</TD></TR></TABLE>

Pass it my way I will sign it, I have done much more rediculous things...

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RR98ITR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Scott, who say's "You don't know what a Z-bar is? How could you not know what a Z-bar is? A Z-bar is the opposite of an anti-roll bar. They are sometimes seen on old swing axle cars like VW Bugs and FV's. This embarrassing lineage has prevented the Z-bar's "Amazing Properties" from being discovered and exploited on current racing machinery....you can still find them though in JC Whitney, and, of course, ACME catalogs...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Oh that Z bar, I thought you were talkin about the other one ! https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...s/emsmilep.gif

Re: Excerpts from my upcoming book: Wiley Coyote's "Pocket Race Car Engineer"... (RR98ITR)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RR98ITR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Here's another passage I lovingly crafted while in an altered state of consciousness:::</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think your intellectually assisted posts are starting to rub off on others...

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MichaelJComputer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">a bar that functions on the z-polar when the sun is halfway between the east and west lateral extremes.</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mstewar &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and here i thought it was just a place that sold zima..</TD></TR></TABLE>

I have always been a fan of assisted thinking...

Re: Excerpts from my upcoming book: Wiley Coyote's "Pocket Race Car Engineer"... (Jon V)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jon V &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Pass it my way I will sign it, I have done much more rediculous things...</TD></TR></TABLE>

You do come as a pretty ridiculous fella.

Re: Excerpts from my upcoming book: Wiley Coyote's "Pocket Race Car Engineer"... (El Pollo Diablo)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by El Pollo Diablo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

No, that's a separate b00k:

"Wiley Coyote's L00se Nuts, Bolts, Zipties and Duct Tape Handbook"
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hmm, I should pick that up. My brake lines are zip-tied but I've always wondered if duct tape was the way to go. If it has an appendix on JB Welding I'm sold.

Re: Excerpts from my upcoming book: Wiley Coyote's "Pocket Race Car Engineer"... (Angry Joe)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MichaelJComputer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">looks like i need to invest in some books... with things slowing down i might actually get a chance to read them!</TD></TR></TABLE>

Sounds like somebody may be in need of an advanced copy?

Re: Excerpts from my upcoming book: Wiley Coyote's "Pocket Race Car Engineer"... (Jon V)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jon V &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Sounds like somebody may be in need of an advanced copy?</TD></TR></TABLE>

quoting from other threads? tisk tisk... but yes, i am in great need.

Re: Excerpts from my upcoming book: Wiley Coyote's "Pocket Race Car Engineer"... (Mike C)
 

"...Count me among those who believe that you should concentrate on the end of the car that isn't working...taking grip away from the end that is working can achieve balance but at the cost of freezing you at a lower level of performance........but as you improve the end that isn't working you reach a point where now the other end is the problem, then you focus on that end....in this manner then it's possible to continuously improve the car - working one end after the other over and over, allowing you to achieve greater and greater speed that will leave your competitors scratching their heads as you drive around them effortlessly thru the marbles off-line..."

Scott, who is currently in tough negotiations to keep his upcoming book from being stocked in the Fairy Tales section...

Re: Excerpts from my upcoming book: Wiley Coyote's "Pocket Race Car Engineer"... (RR98ITR)
 

Uh I don't think you are actually supposed to smoke weed everyday

Re: Excerpts from my upcoming book: Wiley Coyote's "Pocket Race Car Engineer"... (NA1.5)
 

"...you want to run the softest springs possible to maximize "mechanical grip".....naturally you must raise the ride height to keep from bottoming as you take the spring rates down....and cornering speeds increase as the mechanical grip increases.....this is obvious to the naked eye, as at most Pro Racing events the fastest cars are clearly running much higher than the rest......let the stiffer and lower crowd piss blood and wonder why they aren't winning.....You're Much Smarter than That!"

Scott, who shouldn't be sharing this stuff with you...it could wind up in the wrong hands...

Re: Excerpts from my upcoming book: Wiley Coyote's "Pocket Race Car Engineer"... (NA1.5)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NA1.5 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Uh I don't think you are actually supposed to smoke weed everyday</TD></TR></TABLE>

and why not?

Re: Excerpts from my upcoming book: Wiley Coyote's "Pocket Race Car Engineer"... (RR98ITR)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RR98ITR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">"...you want to run the softest springs possible to maximize "mechanical grip".....naturally you must raise the ride height to keep from bottoming as you take the spring rates down....and cornering speeds increase as the mechanical grip increases.....this is obvious to the naked eye, as at most Pro Racing events the fastest cars are clearly running much higher than the rest......let the stiffer and lower crowd piss blood and wonder why they aren't winning.....You're Much Smarter than That!"

Scott, who shouldn't be sharing this stuff with you...it could wind up in the wrong hands...</TD></TR></TABLE>

but what happens when a z-bar is thrown into the mix? can't wait til the book hits the presses!

Re: Excerpts from my upcoming book: Wiley Coyote's "Pocket Race Car Engineer"... (NA1.5)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NA1.5 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Uh,, I don't think, you are actually supposed to smoke weed everyday</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think this is what he meant.

Re: Excerpts from my upcoming book: Wiley Coyote's "Pocket Race Car Engineer"... (smokin rubber)
 

Did Catch 22 do any contributions about going IHOP?

Re: Excerpts from my upcoming book: Wiley Coyote's "Pocket Race Car Engineer"... (RR98ITR)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RR98ITR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
"....many car manufacturers appear ignorant of simple physics....brake calipers must be on the downward moving side of the rotor to ensure that the tires are pushed into the road surface....incorrect mounting can result, in extreme cases, in the tire actually being pulled up off the road....resulting in reduced traction"
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Scott,
I am very curious about caliper placement and did some limited reading trying to understand the fundamentals behind it. You are saying that caliper location is important to push the tires into the road, yet everything that I had read focuses on anti-dive geometry (i.e., leading front caliper and trailing rear caliper). Help me to understand.

Re: Excerpts from my upcoming book: Wiley Coyote's "Pocket Race Car Engineer"... (siisgood00)
 

Understanding this stuff is hard.

It helps if your worldly experience can provide clues to how things actually work. That's how I started to see the light.

This one time when I went over a cliff - and was paused in mid-air for a few seconds before I started falling - I realized that there are certain immutable mysteries to the physical world.

Take anti-dive for a minute. Think about it. We want all we can get on a front wheel drive vehicle. We're already too heavy on the front. Anti-dive keeps us from transfering any more weight to the front. And don't forget to put all the anti-dive you can on the rear too. Dive is dive. Dive is bad. Therefore Dive is bad.

Scott, who is sorry this book is taking so long to finish..."I learn alot by watching TV"...

Tire Stagger
 

taking grip away from the end that is working can achieve balance but at the cost of freezing you at a lower level of performance

Which is exactly why I choose to tire stagger to balance the handling and use no
rear swaybar.

BTW, as cornering grip significantly increases does your shock/spring
combination need to be readjusted as well?

Re: Tire Stagger (WWDTrackRacer)
 

Of course you need to readjust your shock/spring!

The faster you go the more damping you need - otherwise you'd be underdamped.

But, you need to be both well damped AND Digressive.

You want as much low speed damping as you can get - and nothing beats a preloaded leather disk friction damper for getting the job done.

Sadly, all the damper manufacturers have moved on to more sophisticated - but not necessarily better working - hydolic technology. In other words they are living in the stone age.

Between tire stagger, enough damping, and perhaps most importantly: Driving STYLE, you can bend the car to your will.

Scott, who say's "Free the Gilles inside yourself!....(Just don't do it around me)...

Re: Tire Stagger (RR98ITR)
 

i thought you wanted a digressive spring...

nate

Re: Tire Stagger (solo-x)
 

interesting, usually, Scott is the only one digressing around here... https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...s/emsmilep.gif


Sebastien, oh, sometimes I kill myself. Again. and Again. I just won't die.

Re: Tire Stagger (solo-x)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by solo-x &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i thought you wanted a digressive spring...

nate</TD></TR></TABLE>

Nate...Nate....still struggling with the basics eh?

Sure, sometimes you want the spring itself to be digressive - which you do by using a special tender spring. Then the main spring does the work, till you reach breakaway force, and then the tender spring kicks in.

Some "geniuses" try to do this with sophisticated linkages and shock curves. And by managing hysterisis. Which makes me hysterical. We have to move past mere storage and management of energy.

The key thing is that even while hitting really big bumps you need to stay sensitive to the micro-granular structure of the track surface.

Scott, who hasn't even told you about Regressive damping yet....

Re: Tire Stagger (RR98ITR)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RR98ITR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
We have to move past mere storage and management of energy.</TD></TR></TABLE>

See, I hear this all the time... and just don't get it.

We all want to go faster, right? And we all know that friction is entrophy at its worst, right? Do you know how much money company Porsche and Ferrari spend on reducing rolling resistance? And, so I ask you, WHO is spending ANY time worrying about the lost energy spent in damping?!?! WHO?!?!

My solution involves concentric titanium forged tubes and a container of imported Italian olive oil.

Re: Tire Stagger (maxQ)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by maxQ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

See, I hear this all the time... and just don't get it.

We all want to go faster, right? And we all know that friction is entrophy at its worst, right? Do you know how much money company Porsche and Ferrari spend on reducing rolling resistance? And, so I ask you, WHO is spending ANY time worrying about the lost energy spent in damping?!?! WHO?!?!

My solution involves concentric titanium forged tubes and a container of imported Italian olive oil.

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First thing - I am NOT a dumb person.

And B: Sure, we all want to "Entrophy".

But I'm not suggesting any violation of natures laws. Come ON! I'm just saying "Disregard them". No big whoop.

Scott, who wonders "So they use Olive Oil in Ferrari shox?"

Re: Tire Stagger (RR98ITR)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RR98ITR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

First thing - I am NOT a dumb person.

And B: Sure, we all want to "Entrophy".</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm not suggesting you are... just that there is a certain amount of atrophy if one is not exposed to syntrophy between car and man on a regular basis. Panatrophy is only the logical end result of not chasing the only true trophy: autotrophy.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
But I'm not suggesting any violation of natures laws. Come ON! I'm just saying "Disregard them". No big whoop.</TD></TR></TABLE>

To which, I suggest the following trick that has solved many a problem on those Friday nights in my parents' basement: WWWCD? (What would Wesley Crusher do?)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Scott, who wonders "So they use Olive Oil in Ferrari shox?"</TD></TR></TABLE>

And Red Bull in drivers of Ferraris.

Re: Tire Stagger (maxQ)
 

Look - I'm sure this is all very fascinating.

But I'm trying to write a book, and can't be getting bogged down on the finer points here.

You and your buddies in the WCFC (Wesley Crusher Fan Club) can talk about this stuff later tonite after Enterprise and Battlestar Gallactica.

Scott, who just happened to know those shows were on tonite...MuthaFucker!

Re: Tire Stagger (RR98ITR)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RR98ITR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Scott, who just happened to know those shows were on tonite...MuthaFucker!
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Ahem. MotherFracker is the correct term for the initiated. Guess it's another night looking in for you.

Andy, who wishes Scoot all the best with his "book"... I'll just flip back to my Star Trek Technical Manual and finish my dissertation on quantum quadraplex tractor beam enhancements...

Re: Tire Stagger (maxQ)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by maxQ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Ahem. MotherFracker is the correct term for the initiated. Guess it's another night looking in for you.

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"I Know THAT!"

&lt;Grimace&gt;

DOH! Now they all know I know! Frack!

Scott, who imagines a day when the driver comes in to the hot pits, tells the crew chief what's up, and the crew chief tells the onboard computer to "Enhance it"...


Modified by RR98ITR at 12:00 PM 1/21/2005

Re: Tire Stagger (RR98ITR)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RR98ITR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Scott, who imagines a day when the driver comes in to the hot pits, tells the crew chief what's up, and the crew chief tells the onboard computer to "Enhance it"...</TD></TR></TABLE>

"Divert all power from the engine to the engine!"

Re: Tire Stagger (maxQ)
 

Anyway, back to business.

Strut Barz? People worrying about deflectation?

For years car manufacturers have been trying to design and build chassis' that wont simply collapse.

And every time they start field trials on a new model they find they still don't have a clue. And they have to install a strut/tower brace.

The aftermarket has responded by offering braces made of exotic materials, and made with fancy extrusions and machining. But they fail to see the real performance potential opportunity here.

Strut Barz are the easiest way to change camber. By using an adjustable strut bar you can change camber setting with the big crescent wrench you keep in the glovebox. This is a big plus when the camber kits available for your kaa just don't have enough range of motion for extreme settings.

Scott, who sometimes wonders why the other guys "just don't get it"...

Re: Tire Stagger (RR98ITR)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RR98ITR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Strut Barz are the easiest way to change camber. By using an adjustable strut bar you can change camber setting with the big crescent wrench you keep in the glovebox. This is a big plus when the camber kits available for your kaa just don't have enough range of motion for extreme settings.</TD></TR></TABLE>

are you serious right now? because if you are you're a freaking genious in my book

pulling strutbar together can break the mounting bolts on the shocks...still trying to figure out if this book is serious or not

Re: Tire Stagger (azian21485)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by azian21485 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

are you serious right now? because if you are you're a freaking genious in my book

pulling strutbar together can break the mounting bolts on the shocks...still trying to figure out if this book is serious or not</TD></TR></TABLE>

He IS a certified genius.. he's Wile E. Coyote..

i hope, in reading this thread more closely, this thread will start to make sense to you.. or maybe it'll make sense but yet be nonsensical.. but that would just be nonsense, now wouldn't it?

-mark, who's read this thread too much and now needs to leave his place of employment.. beep beep.. *vrrrooom*