Scott & Karl went over these at VIR, just was wondering if someone could repeat these again ... will these apply to next season?

Thanx

 

I'd be curious as to what these are. I was in the instructor's group all weekend, so I didn't get to hear them.

Warren

 

Race Starts dry, but rain starts. Director declares conditions unsafe... Race Black Flagged.

If the race is more than 1/2 finished... results count.
If it is less than 1/2 finished... results do not count.

Race starts wet... So be it.

This will be in next years rules (we just forgot about it this year).
The same rule will apply to red flag situations.

 

Isn't that NASA standard? If not, what is their standard?

 

Dunno. Might be.
It is the ECHC standard though .

 

What conditions are considered unsafe. I have seen racers pull into the pits because they don't have rain tires, but the race continues - are you talking about thunder and lightening????

 

Why would you black flag a race because of rain? If people gamble on tires because of rain, that is their perogative. If it rains and you're on dries, you either have to come in, or put put around for your points (if you can get any).

If you've gone the safe route, well, you won't be too screwed either way, unless you stuck on dirt stockers.

I can't say that I understand or like this rule.

Warren

 

if you don't like the rain pull in....it is club racing, does it really matter whether you get points or not . everyones out there for fun..



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Someone will inevitably stay out on dry tires in the rain.
I don't want that someone locking up going into turn one and becoming a part of the rear of my car.

The rule is for safety and contact reasons.

Scott, who's car is not a dented RX-7, and he likes it that way.

 

firstoff, i am not in honda challenge, but i am at every NASA event and have friends who are..if you don't want to get hit in the rain, pull in? what's the big deal, is anyone really that concerned over points??if they are, they need to take club racing less seriously ) Besides, how else is a H5 going to take the overall win?

Stephen, who's old race car is dented and he likes it that way...........
that dented rx7 was on the pole by almost a second the last time I qualified in the rain at summit...and who's dents were earned in the dry (when the neighbor's kid backed into the car (seriously, its true)

pss. the dents are soon to be gone as the car is getting painted and sold for the first person to show up w/ $2,000 grand


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The only rain rule I know of is that if it starts bone dry, and starts pouring in the middle, the SCCA does allow (at director's discretion), a VERY short pit in for a tire change.

Warren

 

Exactly.
Since our races are only 30 minutes, and most of us don't have a pit crew, a tire change is not an option.

 

Being from Seattle, I get a chuckle out of this whole topic. We had racing rules - not rain racing rules... Rain doesn't change any of the basic concepts, it just shifts things so you have to apply them on a surface with a lower coefficient of friction. We trust that everyone out there will make good decisions in the dry. Why change that assumption when it gets wet?

Kirk

 

George, i have no idea who you are...but the comment about me being an OUTSIDER!?? LOL, that is so freaking classic....thank you, if I get replies like that from people, than i would be glad to be considered an "OUTSIDER"....reminds me of those comments people made after the summit race about those damn outsiders....sorry, George, didn't realize i needed the secret handshake.......

hey, i am a NASA supporter, 'cause of Chris Cobetto, if HC helps NASA i am for it....

...actually i have more to say but then i realized as an OUTSIDER no one cares.....a feeling i am sure the HC organizers don't want others to have


.by the way George, how much racing you done?

Stephen "THE OUTSIDER" Harper who drove his rx7 to the track the first year he raced w/ NASA


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Stephen,
Even though you are an outsider feel free to purchase a honda a come race with the Honda Challenge. We'll teach you the handshake then .

Seriously, the HC does things a little differently. Some to protect drivers from each other, some to protect drivers from themselves. Everyone gets red misted every now and then and makes bad decisions.
The approach seems to be working. Out of ten races that all tended to be hard fought and very tight, we had one serious car-car incident, two minor car-car contacts, and two single car incidents (one caused by fluid on the track). I have seen more trouble than this in ONE RACE on more than one occassion.
Not bad for the first season, with most of the drivers in their first year.

Scott, who has noticed that once again, a non-honda challenge racer has referred to another racer as an "outsider" .
I choose to ignore such things. Hopefully others do as well.



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Another outsider speaks... and I'm with Kirk on this one. Racing is racing, and the benefits are earned by those with the best ability to judge conditions and make tire/setup choices accordingly. That's part of the overall challenge as well, when you don't have a pit crew or five kinds of tires to choose from. Maybe you make the wrong choice and destroy your car, or maybe you make the wrong choice and drive around its consequences. But either way, it's racing, and it's what you signed up for when you got the license and the logbook and the firesuit and the whatever. You win or lose, you own or suck, but you learn in the process, and you hopefully get better for next time, and you have a friggin' blast in the process if you understand what this addiction is all about.

BTW - that particular dented '84 RX-7 is my old car, and I take offense to any criticisms of it. I still remember the night I drove it home from Summit-JC with very leaky rear seals that I had to refill with cheap-*** Exxon gear lube every ~30 miles during the trip. "Drive until you hear the rear end whining and/or feel the rear brakes not doing much, then stop on the side of the highway and jack it up and re-fill the pumpkin by flashlight, then continue." Damn I love(d) that car.

Jon
who is truly confused by these politics, but has no relevant vote

 

Meaning, George = outsider.

George will 0wn H2 in 2009, oh wait he will be 87 years old then.. opps..

 

Sorry George, but that can be taken either way. Since you had not chimed in on the subject, and are not a racer, why would anyone take this as you reminding <U>yourself</U> of anything?

Scott, who once again trys to remind everyone that facial expression, tone, and gestures are a big part of communication that can't be relayed on a message board.

As for the rain rule. If you don't like it. Tough ****. Keep driving Nissans and Mazdas.
There. You made me say it. .

 

Sounds like Doug's "Pyramid" needs an additional layer called "Wheel to Wheel Racers, but Not If It Starts Raining"

(not a direct response to AdamITR's post, but just an off-camber commentary)

 

I guess my mind wasn't open then, I read it the way that Scott and Steven did. "This outsider" meaning "this guy who keeps posting on our board who is an outsider."

Not trying to perpetuate the argument, but pointing out that an impartial reader interpretted it wrong also.

Matt

 

it was clear to me...but I am an English major and I understand George speaks like a queer old Brit sometimes.

 

I still stand by my original statement George. Of course <U>you</U> understood what you meant, you wrote it.
Just making a point. Not really arguing one side or the other.

And your racing experience is???
I anxiously await the background and experience that makes you feel like you are justified in making such a statement.

 

Hi. My name is Scott and I'm an Outsider with respect to ECHC - though I hope to change that in 2003.

I want you guys to know that you have made one of H-T's leading ******** and cranky writers llaugh out loud....again.

George - progenitor of the "Tempest in a Teapot" comment the other day. Victim of your own words. I feel your pain.

Scott - progenitor of the ECHC and actual Racer. Victim of your own success. I feel your pain.

Dented RX7 - I don't want no dents. I don't want to feel your pain. This isn't about you dammit! Where was I....oh, yeah.

Scott, who likes driving in the rain alot.....but really just came by to pimp my latest project: https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=308642. In this one I play.....well, an *******.....see page 4 for my best lines......so far....."carry on men"....

 

Hey!!! Who are you calling a progenital?
Screw you buddy!

 

Uh Oh! You mean you're NOT Pro-Genital? Well, at least I know that Drew is (you had to be there).

Scott, who hates it when he gets his parts suboptimally placed with respect to the sub-belt.....especially under braking......"yeah, I would've outbraked you but....."....