Hi im a newbe to this fourm and im trying to figure out if my motor is indeed a type r or not. I looked in all other type of fourms and they all have good points to look for as well as I called my local honda dealer. So my question is this. Is in fact my head a possible type r or not. My car is a 97 civic ex with a b16 swap. I looked in other fourms and I found to look by the distributor for green paint mine has my head cast number is pr3-1 year is not certain yet as its my daily driver. with stock exhaust manifold I looked for valve springs and I belive I do see dual valve springs per valves. Now im just wondering if by that info it is a possible itr. And should I check cam or intake ports. As well as is it easy to just pull of the cam cover and tell that way or do I need to pull off the cam itself. Sorry for newbe qusstion and a beed around the bush story but in help anyone can give me is greatly appreciated?

 

ITR/CTR/JDM GSR/B16 could be a pr3-1.Take pictures of cam ends and valve springs.

 

Ok ill try take pic of cam ends. Do u kno if cam cover plate bolts is torque to yeld bolts . Where I need to replace with new bolts after I remove them

 

Are you looking to see if you have a B16B (CTR) motor or a (B18C) (ITR) motor. You just said you have a B16, so if you think you may have an ITR motor, take a look at the stamp on the block to see if it says B18C. If it says, B16A, then you have a B16 motor.

All B16/ITR motors have the PR3 cast heads and it's easy to swap parts/blocks. Take some pictures of the whole motor/engine bay, then of the block stamp and other pictures of the motor and we'll be able to help you more.

 

jdm gsr is still a p72 casting


Op...look here for the year


If it has the dual springs on both in. and ex. sides, itr/ctr cams, the p73 intake manifold, and the year is in range...should be safe to assume its a type r head.

 

Well I looked at my block stamp and it is indeed a b16 block. But as I read posts on ddifferent fourms they all talk about Iidentifing the b16 type r head. So I looking at mine and would like to find out as well. The true only reason I looking into this research is im looking into upgrading my cam to a type r or even a stage 1. But if I already have a type r head then I just need to find out if I have the correct cams to go with it.

 

IIRC, Jdm ITR, CTR and GSR are all p72 casting. I'll go look on my CTR right now.

 

Your recalling is incorrect

itr/ctr = pr3

usdm gsr / jdm gsr = p72

 

My bad.

 

Its not uncommon for one to upgrade their b16 cams for itr/ctr cams. Its a cheap upgrade. If they are indeed itr/ctr cams, just remember...doesn't mean the entire head is a type-r. FYI


You're good dude

 

Yeah thats why im doing this research because the shop that did the motor swap may have put stock b16 cams in instead of leaving the itr cams in. This car is my wifes car and when I met her this car was bad for actually holding the honda name on it. So now after I got motor wiring correct speedo working, tach working, vtec opening when it should. Now im just trying to find if the head is possible an itr head with correct or wrong cams in it. someone told me that stock b16 intake mani does not bolt up to type r heads.Could ssomeone verify this for me if it is true or not ?

 

I'll never doubt you again.

 

Ok im back. I looked in the motor took off the cam covers and exposed tye ends. So ill post pics in a bit. I also took off the exhaust manifold cover to get the year of cast. Wasn't able to take pic of year but the year of cast is "91" the cams I belive if I look at the pictures of identifing the cams I think its for a "92-01 US & JDM B16" well heres the pictures I got off my motor. Please let me know anything that u folks see that u think might help me. So again thank u in advance. So I now also answered my question of is it a type r head. Of which it is not.

 

Ok well sorry cant post pictures yet im not a full member. But if u know of a way I van ill be glad to try. I have the pics saved to my android phone. Thanks

 

You have to host the pictures on a website like Flickr or photobucket and then link it from there

 

 

http:// http://s1286.photobucket.com...pc808/library/

 

Take off the http in your link and it will work.

 

http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/natepc808/library/

 

Those appear to be b16 cams

 

Ok think I got it now. Let me kno what u think. Year code is 91 so I don't belive type r was out that earlier? But i dunno. Lol

 

Check this out.


https://honda-tech.com/forums/acura-integra-type-r-8/how-identify-itr-camshafts-1220152/

 

Those are sir2 cams
p30 intake manifold
sir2 serial number

Looks like a very dirty and neglected, but original sir2

 

Yeah those pictures is what I saved to my phone to base it off of wen I took it apart. It looks like the 92-01 b16a cams right the us & jdm cams right?
So now my guestion is the green paint on the dizzy mount. Or is that just somthing someone made up. If Ifind the link I'll let u kno? Thanks for ur help. Also if I wanted to upgrade to either gsr or type r cams could I just drop it in or should I change to aftermarket cam gears. And upgrade my springs? Its not that im trying to race or anything I just wanna unleash a few extra ponies under the hood and occasionally open it up a little. Sorry I kno long post but thanks for ur time .

 

Why are you hung up on green paint by the dizzy? From all of your pictures...it is clear that is a sir2 motor

Don't bother upgrading to gsr cams...you will not feel any difference at all.

If you do upgrade to type r cams, use your stock cam gears. No need for aftermarket.
You don't need to change the springs unless you plan on reving over 8500rpm. And if you did, all you would need is another set of intake springs to put on the exhaust side.