so just a quick question. why are the majority(all i have seen actually) of the mid engine rwd hondas using the h22a? is there some mechanical advantage or ease of install. are the shift cables easier to work with? is it just the power and torque that made the decision?

well thanks for the input

 

torque owns....

 

torque,
power,
availablility,
shifter cables,
bolt on 200+whp,
cost of motor.

 

Because the H22 is just that much better than every other Honda motor. Haha, jk. I would assume the torque has a good bit to do with it plus everything darkknight1 sadi above.

 

From what I hear, the H series is a better design then the B series, it is cheaper then the K series, and there is a lot of potential in them.
Dan

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rawkus &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">From what I hear, the H series is a better design then the B series, it is cheaper then the K series, and there is a lot of potential in them.
Dan</TD></TR></TABLE>Better design than a B series...you sure bout that?

 

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Dan</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah until you decide to get new pistons and have to have the whole block resleeved.

Anyways the d sereis &gt;* Got represnt my peoples lol

 

i was guessing about the power vs cost and all. but does anyone have some solid facts about why they chose the h22? really im just curious if anyone has done a b series in the back and just messed with the linkage a bit to make it work.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NVturbo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Better design than a B series...you sure bout that?</TD></TR></TABLE>yes.

 

all bullshit aside for factory reliability, for hp the h22a is the best as far as cost is conserned. An yes the h22a is stock form is a great engine. When you boost an engine not intended for it what do you expect 2 happen? I have been boosting my h22a for like 6 months on 8 pounds and the car still has perfect compression. The bottom line is h22's are alot better than b-series

 

Yeah, the sleeves do suck if you intend on running forged pistons, but if you run type s pistons like me, it isn't a huge deal. Also, with the FRM sleeves, there is less friction, I do believe the s2000 motor and the NSX engine use them also. The stock H head flows better then a B series, and being able to get a close deck block is very nice. The B series is an amazing motor, but stock for stock, H series is better, K is best so far though.
Dan

 

well as of right now i am funding limited so i think b16 is the option for me, i know its weak and has no real power compred to the H series, but i will save some weight and i can always swap out later farily easily.

im still partial to the beff cake b series.

 

The reasons I chose to use an H22, in priority order, are 1) torque, 2) availability, 3) cost, 4) hp. As for the clutch and transmission, in my opinion, a cable clutch with rod type shifter would have been easier to relocate, so that was a trade-off.

Dave

 

Hey tek, have you considered a b20 bottom end with a b16 or gsr head. This will cost about the same as the b16 swap you mentioned but there is a little more work to be done. If my memory serves me right, the b20 bottom end was never intended by honda to turn 8500 rpm so to be on the safe side I would change the rod bolts and bearings. B20 bottom ends are fairly cheap and you can find a vtec head any where from $500-$1000. If you plan on replacing the cams, valves, retainers, and valve springs, get the cheapest vtec head you can find ($300-400), just make sure it is a B-series head. Hope this helps you make a decision.

-Red

 

haha thanks for the help, i built my last car like that, only it was LS/Vtec, same thing as Cr/vtec, only slightly different. but anyways. yeah i thought it would be easier to mess with the linkage than play around with the cable shifter, but wasn't sure. thanks for the good answer.

i would probably go for a b16 just because im cheap, oo and i have something else in mind :evil grin:

why have only one engine when you can have two?

 

That is what I was thinking about? Racecity... Ever think about putting another h22 in the engine bay and running a twin engine all wheel drive set up? Would definitely be the sickest dc2 in the States. Just a thought.

-Red

 

Cable tranny shifter.