K-Series Understeer?
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K-Series Understeer?
You know what annoys me? Everyone makes a huge deal about how your car will handle like *** with an H22 cause of the 'extra weight.' Well, First of all look at where it's placed:
Do you see where the motor sits? Also in between the shock towers. Now look at this picture of a k-series eg:
Does anyone else see what I see? I'd have to guess easily 60-70% of the weight of that motor is at the very front on the engine bay. If there is a single argument that the h22 creates understeer, there should be 100 more for a k-series creating it. By the way, if reports are correct a K20 is relatively similar in weight to a b16, but look at the placement of it in the engine bay.
Do you see where the motor sits? Also in between the shock towers. Now look at this picture of a k-series eg:
Does anyone else see what I see? I'd have to guess easily 60-70% of the weight of that motor is at the very front on the engine bay. If there is a single argument that the h22 creates understeer, there should be 100 more for a k-series creating it. By the way, if reports are correct a K20 is relatively similar in weight to a b16, but look at the placement of it in the engine bay.
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Re: K-Series Understeer? (DarkKnight[DMD])
..I think that K-series image is a bit deceiving from the view it was taken at, because the K engine sits in more of a diagonal, layed back position, and its hard to see this in the image you posted up.
Also, they say the K20 engine sits 'better' (better weight distribution) in an EG engine bay vs. an EK engine bay (sits a little too forward), if thats any consolation..
Also, they say the K20 engine sits 'better' (better weight distribution) in an EG engine bay vs. an EK engine bay (sits a little too forward), if thats any consolation..
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Re: K-Series Understeer?
ive seen a few k swaps on here and 1 dc had it sitting further back against the firewall, and 1 ek had it waaaay too far forward.
mounting position will make a difference in handling...the further back towards the firewall, the better.
mounting position will make a difference in handling...the further back towards the firewall, the better.
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Re: K-Series Understeer? (Primo.)
Here is a good post Brian from Hasport made on K20a.org that addresses this and a couple other issues.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by brian g »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">By far the best two body styles are the EG Civic and DC2 Integra. The problem with the EF is the height of the hood line, it's too low for the tall K20, let alone the taller K24. The EK has it's own problems.
The EK's suspension geometry is similar to the EG/DC, but Honda used a different design for the rear crossmember, with the rack inside the structure. This makes for a larger rear crossmember which interferes with the housing on the K-series transmission. Consequently the engine can't be mounted as far back. It's not that bad though, the cars balance front to rear, is very similar to an EK with a B18C. It just looks like it's really forward because the intake manifold on the front of the engine.
The K-series engine is much more compact than the B or H series motors. The weight distribution is also superior the that of the B-series engine because it leans backward putting the head over the differential, unlike the B-series engine which leans forward. The H-series may have better weight distribution than a B-series, but it also weighs 100 lbs more which negates any advantages.
The EG/DC's rear crossmember construction allows you to move the engine back almost two inches further compared to the EK. There are a couple of advantages to this, like straighter axels, better weight distribution and more ground clearance.
Although the axle angle isn't bad in the EK, they're about as straight as you could want in the EG/DC. Straighter axles can make a big difference when you are doing high horsepower applications. It also means less wear and tear on the boots.
Having the engine further back means better weight distribution too. When racing weight that is further from the center of gravity can adversly affect handling. In drag racing this isn't the case, but it may not be worth the extra stress put on the axels.
Because the hood slopes down towards the front of the car, when you move the engine back it can be raised more. The K20 is taller than the B-series motors and they need to be mounted as close to the hood as possible to maximize ground clearance. We made our kit so close to the hood that if you decide to go K24, you'll need to trim some of the hood under structure. The DC though has more hood clearance for the K24.
It's interesting though, some time we'll put a K20 into an AF (84-87 Civic/CRX), an AV (86-89 Integra), a 94 Accord and a DA (90-92 Integra), who knows, maybe one of those will work even better.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by brian g »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">By far the best two body styles are the EG Civic and DC2 Integra. The problem with the EF is the height of the hood line, it's too low for the tall K20, let alone the taller K24. The EK has it's own problems.
The EK's suspension geometry is similar to the EG/DC, but Honda used a different design for the rear crossmember, with the rack inside the structure. This makes for a larger rear crossmember which interferes with the housing on the K-series transmission. Consequently the engine can't be mounted as far back. It's not that bad though, the cars balance front to rear, is very similar to an EK with a B18C. It just looks like it's really forward because the intake manifold on the front of the engine.
The K-series engine is much more compact than the B or H series motors. The weight distribution is also superior the that of the B-series engine because it leans backward putting the head over the differential, unlike the B-series engine which leans forward. The H-series may have better weight distribution than a B-series, but it also weighs 100 lbs more which negates any advantages.
The EG/DC's rear crossmember construction allows you to move the engine back almost two inches further compared to the EK. There are a couple of advantages to this, like straighter axels, better weight distribution and more ground clearance.
Although the axle angle isn't bad in the EK, they're about as straight as you could want in the EG/DC. Straighter axles can make a big difference when you are doing high horsepower applications. It also means less wear and tear on the boots.
Having the engine further back means better weight distribution too. When racing weight that is further from the center of gravity can adversly affect handling. In drag racing this isn't the case, but it may not be worth the extra stress put on the axels.
Because the hood slopes down towards the front of the car, when you move the engine back it can be raised more. The K20 is taller than the B-series motors and they need to be mounted as close to the hood as possible to maximize ground clearance. We made our kit so close to the hood that if you decide to go K24, you'll need to trim some of the hood under structure. The DC though has more hood clearance for the K24.
It's interesting though, some time we'll put a K20 into an AF (84-87 Civic/CRX), an AV (86-89 Integra), a 94 Accord and a DA (90-92 Integra), who knows, maybe one of those will work even better.
brian g </TD></TR></TABLE>
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Re: K-Series Understeer? (DarkKnight[DMD])
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DarkKnight[DMD »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">]You know what annoys me? </TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DarkKnight[DMD »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">] Everyone makes a huge deal about how your car will handle like *** with an H22 cause of the 'extra weight. </TD></TR></TABLE>
i agree. that **** annoys me too.
if u dont know, then dont assume anything... u should ask, or maybe search a lil eh....
im sure theres something about how an h22 does not have that much understeer as everyone says in the sticky up top....
adam, sent u a pm.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DarkKnight[DMD »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">] Everyone makes a huge deal about how your car will handle like *** with an H22 cause of the 'extra weight. </TD></TR></TABLE>
i agree. that **** annoys me too.
if u dont know, then dont assume anything... u should ask, or maybe search a lil eh....
im sure theres something about how an h22 does not have that much understeer as everyone says in the sticky up top....
adam, sent u a pm.
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Re: K-Series Understeer? (Katman)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Katman »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Also, they say the K20 engine sits 'better' (better weight distribution) in an EG engine bay vs. an EK engine bay (sits a little too forward), if thats any consolation..</TD></TR></TABLE>
That pic is from an EG.
I'm not saying that the k-series does having annoying understeer, I'm just making a comment on the general jocking that k-series are gods and h-series are dogs.
Of course, this is a myth perpetuated by those b-series loving *******.
Also, they say the K20 engine sits 'better' (better weight distribution) in an EG engine bay vs. an EK engine bay (sits a little too forward), if thats any consolation..</TD></TR></TABLE>
That pic is from an EG.
I'm not saying that the k-series does having annoying understeer, I'm just making a comment on the general jocking that k-series are gods and h-series are dogs.
Of course, this is a myth perpetuated by those b-series loving *******.
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Re: K-Series Understeer? (SkRiBLaH)
Are you sure? The guy reiterated in that thread TWICE that the swap was NOT done by K20EG.
You know that saying about assuming....
You know that saying about assuming....
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DarkKnight[DMD »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">]
That pic is from an EG.
>> I know its an EG engine bay w/K20. Did I mention somewhere that it wasn't? lol.
I'm not saying that the k-series does having annoying understeer, I'm just making a comment on the general jocking that k-series are gods and h-series are dogs.
Of course, this is a myth perpetuated by those b-series loving *******.
>> ahh I see...yer mad cuz you have an H22 and K's are turning out to be a better alternative! haha jfwy DK. . To each his own right?
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That pic is from an EG.
>> I know its an EG engine bay w/K20. Did I mention somewhere that it wasn't? lol.
I'm not saying that the k-series does having annoying understeer, I'm just making a comment on the general jocking that k-series are gods and h-series are dogs.
Of course, this is a myth perpetuated by those b-series loving *******.
>> ahh I see...yer mad cuz you have an H22 and K's are turning out to be a better alternative! haha jfwy DK.
. To each his own right?</TD></TR></TABLE>
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Re: K-Series Understeer? (DarkKnight[DMD])
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DarkKnight[DMD »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">]
You know that saying about assuming....</TD></TR></TABLE>
which one?
not mine?
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if u dont know, then dont assume anything... u should ask, or maybe search a lil eh....
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You know that saying about assuming....
</TD></TR></TABLE>which one?
not mine?
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if u dont know, then dont assume anything... u should ask, or maybe search a lil eh....
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Re: K-Series Understeer? (hondaZvic)
People just use those excuses to make their motor swap (or swap they are going to get) looks better and not be out "classed" by others on the board. They is no real difference (doubt most people could push either swapped car to the limits at the track to see the difference anyway) in the swap as handling aspects.
You have to look at bandwagons too (HT is full of them). People want K-series because the can not have them. You can build a H or B series for cheaper than a k-series and the H or B series will be more powerful.
Just my 0.02$
You have to look at bandwagons too (HT is full of them). People want K-series because the can not have them. You can build a H or B series for cheaper than a k-series and the H or B series will be more powerful.
Just my 0.02$
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Re: K-Series Understeer? (turbogixxer)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turbogixxer »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You can build a H or B series for cheaper than a k-series and the H or B series will be more powerful.
Just my 0.02$ </TD></TR></TABLE>
heh, thats a waaaay debateable statement.
- there's no "intelligent" VTEC for B & H series engines.
- K series ecu upgrade is actually worth getting done, gains of what? 8-10hp alone w/a Kpro? thats insane!
- 6-speed tranny
- timing chain driven, no more rubbery timing belt that wears out
- factory roller rockers, which is a great improvement and friction reducer. You have to go out and buy aftermarket rollers for an H22 engine, and there are none for the B-series!
- the enhanced block brace on K-series engines way surpasses that of B & H series weak block braces
- the K crank is too tiite for words
- the K engine is lighter overall than B & H
- A 2 liter engine that easily revs & handles 9000rpm out the box!? what more can you ask for! ...oh yea, stupid me, more torque! ... compatible K24 block!
- Did i mention a 6speed tranny?
- K20-R once dyno tuned with Kpro & header dumps about 218-220 to the tire. How much $$$ do you have to spend on an H22 to make that kinda power or B18C to make that power without going the unreliable LS/B20vtec route?
The scale tips towards the K
Soooome people just can't handle abrupt changes in the hybriding world
Just my 0.02$
</TD></TR></TABLE>heh, thats a waaaay debateable statement.
- there's no "intelligent" VTEC for B & H series engines.
- K series ecu upgrade is actually worth getting done, gains of what? 8-10hp alone w/a Kpro? thats insane!
- 6-speed tranny
- timing chain driven, no more rubbery timing belt that wears out
- factory roller rockers, which is a great improvement and friction reducer. You have to go out and buy aftermarket rollers for an H22 engine, and there are none for the B-series!
- the enhanced block brace on K-series engines way surpasses that of B & H series weak block braces
- the K crank is too tiite for words
- the K engine is lighter overall than B & H
- A 2 liter engine that easily revs & handles 9000rpm out the box!? what more can you ask for! ...oh yea, stupid me, more torque! ... compatible K24 block!
- Did i mention a 6speed tranny?
- K20-R once dyno tuned with Kpro & header dumps about 218-220 to the tire. How much $$$ do you have to spend on an H22 to make that kinda power or B18C to make that power without going the unreliable LS/B20vtec route?
The scale tips towards the K
Soooome people just can't handle abrupt changes in the hybriding world
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Re: K-Series Understeer? (Katman)
very well put katman 
but this could go either way..
what turbogixxer said is true as well.. just depends on what route u go... buy a turbo kit.. slap it on a B. easily push well close to 300 for under 8g's... even on an H... u both know there is ways to go faster than the next; with any of these great engines.
i will go with the K one day..
but as for now.. i've put to much in to my H to just start all over again... i dont think it would be worth it to me rite now...
i think, god-permitting, i will have my H forever. and maybe one day, i will add a K to my ever-growing Honda family.
but this could go either way..
what turbogixxer said is true as well.. just depends on what route u go... buy a turbo kit.. slap it on a B. easily push well close to 300 for under 8g's... even on an H... u both know there is ways to go faster than the next; with any of these great engines.
i will go with the K one day..
but as for now.. i've put to much in to my H to just start all over again... i dont think it would be worth it to me rite now...
i think, god-permitting, i will have my H forever. and maybe one day, i will add a K to my ever-growing Honda family.
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Re: K-Series Understeer? (Katman)
Originally Posted by Katman
heh, thats a waaaay debateable statement.
Originally Posted by Katman
- there's no "intelligent" VTEC for B & H series engines.
Originally Posted by Katman
- K series ecu upgrade is actually worth getting done, gains of what? 8-10hp alone w/a Kpro? thats insane!
Originally Posted by Katman
- 6-speed tranny
Originally Posted by Katman
- timing chain driven, no more rubbery timing belt that wears out
Originally Posted by Katman
- factory roller rockers, which is a great improvement and friction reducer. You have to go out and buy aftermarket rollers for an H22 engine, and there are none for the B-series!
Originally Posted by Katman
- the enhanced block brace on K-series engines way surpasses that of B & H series weak block braces
Originally Posted by Katman
- the K crank is too tiite for words
Originally Posted by Katman
- the K engine is lighter overall than B & H
Originally Posted by Katman
- A 2 liter engine that easily revs & handles 9000rpm out the box!? what more can you ask for!
Originally Posted by Katman
- K20-R once dyno tuned with Kpro & header dumps about 218-220 to the tire. How much $$$ do you have to spend on an H22 to make that kinda power or B18C to make that power without going the unreliable LS/B20vtec route?
Originally Posted by Katman
The scale tips towards the K
Originally Posted by Katman
Soooome people just can't handle abrupt changes in the hybriding world
Like most people have said before "as long as women are crashing Crvs, accords and elements, the hybrid scene for K-series will be rich in motors".
Katman, I still have not found a scanner, I will call around tommorrow.
If anyone in the South FL area has a scanner I can use for a bit, PM me, please.
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Re: K-Series Understeer? (turbogixxer)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turbogixxer »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
not really a performance aspect. 6th gear is for highway, not a drag strip or a road course.
-- Are Nucking Futs?! I can't believe you actually typed this statement! This is TOTALLY a drag strip AND road race performance gain! yer outta yer gord if you think otherwise! LOL
Like most people have said before "as long as women are crashing Crvs, accords and elements, the hybrid scene for K-series will be rich in motors".
-- I was mainly speaking in terms of going K20-S or K20-R, K20-S being more reasonably priced, around the price of a GSR engine ($3500'ish range)
Katman, I still have not found a scanner, I will call around tommorrow.
heh, no prablemo. btw I think I won the H vs. K list of power gains battle
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not really a performance aspect. 6th gear is for highway, not a drag strip or a road course.
-- Are Nucking Futs?! I can't believe you actually typed this statement! This is TOTALLY a drag strip AND road race performance gain! yer outta yer gord if you think otherwise! LOL
Like most people have said before "as long as women are crashing Crvs, accords and elements, the hybrid scene for K-series will be rich in motors".
-- I was mainly speaking in terms of going K20-S or K20-R, K20-S being more reasonably priced, around the price of a GSR engine ($3500'ish range)
Katman, I still have not found a scanner, I will call around tommorrow.
heh, no prablemo. btw I think I won the H vs. K list of power gains battle
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Re: K-Series Understeer? (DarkKnight[DMD])
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DarkKnight[DMD »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">]Are you sure? The guy reiterated in that thread TWICE that the swap was NOT done by K20EG.
You know that saying about assuming....</TD></TR></TABLE>
uhhh i know for sure.. i can tell by the way the right mount is and the little red bushings.
You know that saying about assuming....
</TD></TR></TABLE>uhhh i know for sure.. i can tell by the way the right mount is and the little red bushings.
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Re: K-Series Understeer? (SkRiBLaH)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SkRiBLaH »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">uhhh i know for sure.. i can tell by the way the right mount is and the little red bushings. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Didn't the old Hybrid Racing mounts look like that too? They were, after all, based off of K20EG's design.
Didn't the old Hybrid Racing mounts look like that too? They were, after all, based off of K20EG's design.
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Re: K-Series Understeer? (Katman)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Katman »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">-- Are Nucking Futs?! I can't believe you actually typed this statement! This is TOTALLY a drag strip AND road race performance gain! yer outta yer gord if you think otherwise! LOL</TD></TR></TABLE>
While, you called me out, so prove it. I have dealt with 6 gear trans before. They are not as good as they are hyped.
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That not what that was aimed for. K-series is used in A LOT more cars then B-series and H-series was (USDM). So that means more motors.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Katman »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">heh, no prablemo. btw I think I won the H vs. K list of power gains battle</TD></TR></TABLE>
F-series > *
This debate is pretty good, Please keep it clean. (to everyone).
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Silverskylinegirl »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So... Do you like the H series or not </TD></TR></TABLE>
What?!?!??! The extra weight in the front end ***** up the front end and it turns like a geo metro
Modified by turbogixxer at 10:13 PM 7/1/2004
While, you called me out, so prove it. I have dealt with 6 gear trans before. They are not as good as they are hyped.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Katman »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">-- I was mainly speaking in terms of going K20-S or K20-R, K20-S being more reasonably priced, around the price of a GSR engine ($3500'ish range)</TD></TR></TABLE>
That not what that was aimed for. K-series is used in A LOT more cars then B-series and H-series was (USDM). So that means more motors.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Katman »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">heh, no prablemo. btw I think I won the H vs. K list of power gains battle</TD></TR></TABLE>
F-series > *
This debate is pretty good, Please keep it clean. (to everyone).
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Silverskylinegirl »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So... Do you like the H series or not </TD></TR></TABLE>
What?!?!??! The extra weight in the front end ***** up the front end and it turns like a geo metro
Modified by turbogixxer at 10:13 PM 7/1/2004
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Re: K-Series Understeer? (turbogixxer)
The mounts are k20eg's... The guy just said K20EG DID not do his swap.. that is all... The k20a EG is in VA and K20eg is in CA....
Also the haspork EK mounts are getting a face lift as well to match the placement of the EG hasport kit by using a EG crossmember in a EK...
Also the haspork EK mounts are getting a face lift as well to match the placement of the EG hasport kit by using a EG crossmember in a EK...
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Re: K-Series Understeer? (rochesterricer)
Yes, our old mounts did look like that. However, our new mounts are all billet aluminum and look nothing like that. I believe those are our old ones that were powdercoated. And you are right about the decieving pics. The K series sits back and at an angle.
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Re: K-Series Understeer? (DarkKnight[DMD])
The H-series motor weighs 85 lbs more than a K-series.
Yes, you heard me, 85lbs. Both engines lean backwards about 7-8 degrees. The intake manifold on the H engine limits how far back the engine can be mounted. The k-series motor doesn't have this handicap.
In an EG the H-series motor sits further forward than a K-series motor providing you use a Hasport K-series mount kit. In fact, with a Hasport kit, the K-series motor produces a better weight balance than a B18C swap.
Don't even waste bandwidth comparing the 85 lb heavier and further forward mounted H-series EG in balance to the same car with a K-swap.
brian g
Yes, you heard me, 85lbs. Both engines lean backwards about 7-8 degrees. The intake manifold on the H engine limits how far back the engine can be mounted. The k-series motor doesn't have this handicap.
In an EG the H-series motor sits further forward than a K-series motor providing you use a Hasport K-series mount kit. In fact, with a Hasport kit, the K-series motor produces a better weight balance than a B18C swap.
Don't even waste bandwidth comparing the 85 lb heavier and further forward mounted H-series EG in balance to the same car with a K-swap.
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Re: K-Series Understeer? (Nikos)
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Also the haspork EK mounts are getting a face lift as well to match the placement of the EG hasport kit by using a EG crossmember in a EK...</TD></TR></TABLE>
No no, we are not doing that, we just did one for our Time Attack car.
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Also the haspork EK mounts are getting a face lift as well to match the placement of the EG hasport kit by using a EG crossmember in a EK...</TD></TR></TABLE>
No no, we are not doing that, we just did one for our Time Attack car.
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Re: K-Series Understeer? (brian g)
And one more thing, B and H series motors will never produce as much power, modification for modification, as a K-series. That's just plain wrong, anything you do to a B or H-series will yeild more hp gains if you do it to a K-motor. That's like saying don't waste your money buying a B18C5, the B16A will make as much power.
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