About to purchase a 94 civic EX. I was originally going to go with a GSR swap but now looking at the price of a H22A, it is hard to think its not worth it, or is it. I am looking at http://Hmotorsonlione.com at the complete change overs. It is about a thousand dollar difference. I have heard many different opinions about the two motors. Both of my buddies went with GSR swaps and loved them. I have heard it is very cramped and there are not many aftermarket parts, or should I say as easy to find as the GSR is. What do you guys reccomend?
Cliffnotes: H22A or B18C in a 94 civic EX? And Why?
Thanks a million guys!
Jon

 

You'll spend that 1000 for extra parts for the h22a. That is, if you do it right.

Be the crowd. Get a B18c.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DarkKnight[DMD &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">]You'll spend that 1000 for extra parts for the h22a. That is, if you do it right.

Be the crowd. Get a B18c.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

Yea I just want to drop in the motor and be done with it. Looks like GSR after reading other posts. Seems like there is alot of bullshit with the H22A in a civic.
Thanks guys!

 

Have fun. I don't want to make you dislike the h22, it will be faster.

Always.

But to do the swap the right way, you will end up spending more on it than the b18c.

 

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But to do the swap the right way, you will end up spending more on it than the b18c.</TD></TR></TABLE>

what!??!?!

calling bs on this one

and You know i am right too
I dare you to quote me

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DarkKnight[DMD &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">]But to do the swap the right way, you will end up spending more on it than the b18c.</TD></TR></TABLE>
B18c1-$3149.00 complete changeover


H22a-$2199 complete changeover
$500 mounts
$200 axles
$2899 with money left over to get some basic tune-up stuff.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Skip01 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">H22a-$2199 complete changeover
$500 mounts
$200 axles
$2899 with money left over to get some basic tune-up stuff.

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You are forgetting a few things
slim fan
hose and fittings for fuel line
misc nuts and bolts
misc stuff to cover the shifter hole
(and this is saying that you:
a) make the axles
b) do the wiring yourself
c) do not upgrade the radiator
d) do not keep ac
e) reuse the stock prelude or civic slave cyl or line)

 

The "H" is just as much bullshit as any other swap cept for the cables. Which are easy to route. I went from a B to a H in my hatch= 0 regrets....

 

If you do the h22 swap, I'd get a lightened flywheel. RPM's climb alot slower than a b-series, but h's make more power in the long run. They just dont rev as high.

 

B over H any day for me since I like less work and just like direct drops in

 

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what!??!?!

calling bs on this one

and You know i am right too
I dare you to quote me </TD></TR></TABLE>

I said the right way. By the way $2200 swap from HMO plus $1000 = 3200. Which is about the price of the B18c swap. Um, I did say make up for the price difference, didn't I?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by IgniteTeg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">B over H any day for me since I like less work and just like direct drops in </TD></TR></TABLE>

Researching ownz you.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1SICJDM &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> The "H" is just as much bullshit as any other swap cept for the cables. Which are easy to route. I went from a B to a H in my hatch= 0 regrets....</TD></TR></TABLE>

My thoughts exactly. But some people just don't know.<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Skip01 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
B18c1-$3149.00 complete changeover


H22a-$2199 complete changeover
$500 mounts
$200 axles
$2899 with money left over to get some basic tune-up stuff.

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You spend more than you think on those "basic tune-up" parts. I could list out my parts and prices. I wouldn't consider what I got the bare minimum, but then again I wouldn't do it with any other parts.

 

This is probably the wrong forum to ask this question in. Most of the H22 ****** lurk in here. But I'll just throw my .02 in quickly. Price wise, you could go either way. If you don't mind a little extra work and you wanna get the best bang for your buck, get the H22. It'll be quicker with less work done to it, and you'll have all that mad torque yO! Also, don't listen to all the bullshit on here that some people say about how hard and unreliable it is. The same thing was said about B-series swaps years ago. Take it from those who have done this, it's not that difficult.

 

I'd go with the GSR swap...much easier to do and the fact that the H22A is just so damn heavy.

 

Once again, if you take your time and do it right and properly, both the B and the H are equally difficult. Oh by the way, " There is no Replacement for Diisplacement". H

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by UpstateCivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Take it from those who have done this, it's not that difficult.</TD></TR></TABLE>

First day: 4 hours remove motor.
Second day: Kenny spent 12 hours wiring up my new harness, I did nothing.
Third Day: Had the motor in by noon, Spent three hours running around for parts and pieces. Motor was running by 7pm.

Eight hours of total swap time doesn't seem like a very hard swap.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by xDA9x &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'd go with the GSR swap...much easier to do and the fact that the H22A is just so damn heavy.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Hmm, it's debatable, but at most it adds 40lbs more than a std b-series. I'd say the power difference outweighs (pun intended) the weight difference.

Research ownz j00 too.

 

H-22 &gt; B series

 

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B18c1-$3149.00 complete changeover


H22a-$2199 complete changeover
$500 mounts
$200 axles
$2899 with money left over to get some basic tune-up stuff.

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axles are around 700... 400 if you want the stage 1 but that doesnt leave much room for upgrades since its 225 hp... plus you will probably want to upgrade the suspension since riding on stock isnt all that strong.... the front of the car will sit low just because the engine is so heavy... if the money is a concern id go with the b18c1... if its not id go h22!! ive spent about 8 grand so far and i havent started to put the engine in... im sure there will be more expenses once i start it and realize im missing something

 

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I said the right way. By the way $2200 swap from HMO plus $1000 = 3200. Which is about the price of the B18c swap. Um, I did say make up for the price difference, didn't I?</TD></TR></TABLE>

what was not done the right way? Just cause some people do not have the money for aftermarket parts does not mean that they parts they make are ****

 

i have had both, i currently have an h22...i liked the simplicity of the b18c, it was the first swap i did. Now i have the h22, i think i like the H more. Just getting used to it, but so far i liike it better..Except the damn axle chatter i have from it being lowered too much. (hopefully that axle isnt fucked, havent had a chance to look at it yet)..also i think my h22 was a little more, but only because the supposedly "complete" b18c swap was far from complete...either way you choose, you will be happy. It is a very nice boost in power from a stock ex

 

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what was not done the right way? Just cause some people do not have the money for aftermarket parts does not mean that they parts they make are ****</TD></TR></TABLE>

calm down there kenny, I didn't say ****. But when you don't even replace the timing belt.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by snatch13 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

axles are around 700... 400 if you want the stage 1 but that doesnt leave much room for upgrades since its 225 hp... plus you will probably want to upgrade the suspension since riding on stock isnt all that strong.... the front of the car will sit low just because the engine is so heavy... if the money is a concern id go with the b18c1... if its not id go h22!! ive spent about 8 grand so far and i havent started to put the engine in... im sure there will be more expenses once i start it and realize im missing something </TD></TR></TABLE>
Where do you see axles for $700?
Straight from hmotorsonline.com
Also available is the correct axles for swapping this motor into a civic. 90-93 Integra axles and 90-93 Accord Intermediate shaft can be included for an additional $200

 

the are prolly talking about nice dss axles. i think the stage 2's go for around that

 

Boosted D16! D16 Turbo Ninja's got their chit together!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Skip01 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Where do you see axles for $700?
Straight from hmotorsonline.com
Also available is the correct axles for swapping this motor into a civic. 90-93 Integra axles and 90-93 Accord Intermediate shaft can be included for an additional $200</TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by c1civic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the are prolly talking about nice dss axles. i think the stage 2's go for around that</TD></TR></TABLE>

yes i was talking about dss axles... the 90-93 integra axles wont hold up to much power over stock... my friend tried that and after 2 weeks one snapped... then he got dss