as it says which is the best engine , especialy to turbo? i really want the b16b but they are pritty hard to get a hold of but iam saving for it now, any advice would be great.!

 

bump....
also will add insurance might be a problem i have 1 years no claims, iam 21, so 1.6 b16b would be best but iam looking for fastest and best to turbo.

 

1.6 or a 1.8? u tell us which u think is better, i would choose a GSR over a b16b any day

 

iam new to all this but here goes,
ok the B18C comes at 170hp gsr 3rd gen 94 to 200 model where as the b16b comes at 185hp and thats a 6th gen 97+ ek model, you hear alot of diffrent arguments about which is better but u hear alot of people getting the b16b then again alot of people have the b18c!.

Also I am 21 been driving for 1 year no accidents got my self a 1.5i eg civic minimal mods at moment looking to start a really good project, but insurance cost will be threw the roof if i go for a 1.8 turbo, but would it be worth it to turbo the b16b? I am at a cross roads and I am turning to the good people on Honda-Tech to give me a few ideas to point me in the right direction.

 

Depending on if you plan to build the engine or not....

if NOT, go B18C because this motor has low compression in stock form. Not to mention has more torque than a B16B.

The B16B has higher compression pistons which are a no-no for a turbo setup.
The perk about a B16B is that it's a Type-R motor, so it has all the type-R goodies on it (cams, intake manifold, ported head, treated crank & rods, close gearedd transmission, etc).

If you plan to rebuild....then.....you might wanna go with the B16B. Swap out the crank for a GSR or ITR crank & rods w/some turbo pistons and be on your way...

 

katman think il go b16b, would u suggest forged pistons or are there a certain make for turbo's? its going to be a year project so i would have time to work on engine, iam going to make it look outstanding aswell as fast :D

 

Get the GSR motor if you plan on doing turbo in the future. The relativly low compression is better for turbo & the cams work well under boost...

If you plan to stay "All Motor", get the B16B. You can get the block sleeved & stroked to 2.0L & the head will work well with it. Also, the gearbox has really short gears & LSD...

If you plan on staying stock, the GSR motor is a better street performer (stock B16B is more for road-racing)...

 

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good choice...
yes you can buy forged turbo pistons......but uh, i'm not really a turbo guru.

 

god iam so stuck i defo wanna boost the project, and want it to be street, b18c can anyone recommend a site for the swap? or what other things i would need to make the b18c at standard kick before i get the turbo?:

 

Any parts you buy to make a B18C faster, will be a waste of money (intake, header, exhaust, etc...) because they all must be changed out when you get a turbo system. A stock B18C will be quicker stoplight-to-stoplight than a stock B16B. Just leave it stock until you turbo the thing...

 

ok dude, getting a teg imported from japan £6000 with 30k on the clock. does this seem good? 95 model i think anyway, then iam going to work on project car , also anyone know any good swap sites that are reliable and ship to overseas UNited kingdom?

 

honestly i would choose neither!

i would get a b18a/b motor and build the bottom end. both of your choices suck because of the high compression, it will limit the ability to crank up boost which becomes your horsepower


stock numbers are irrellivent comparing the compression becomes the main focus. high compression motors turboed will get you your goal faster however will be limited on the ammount of boost you are able to take with the motor

lower compression built motor is the only way to go period with turbo, your psi becomes your power the more psi the more power

both of those are pretty expendsive motors and NOT worth the money for the ammount of power you will be making

with 4k you can buy a b18b and turbo kit and boost it and make more hp than u could with either of those motors right off the bat for the money

people always get caught up in the whole vtec thing, and its not going to make you have more horsepower, and sometimes it can hurt you because of the lobe laps and all that ****......

i feel you are truly wasting your money trying to boost either of those motors if power is what you are focused on!

 

you post a highly non-vtec biased opinion sir...

so yer saying ... and talking hypthetically here... boosting a K-series motor isn't worth it because VTEC is all hype right?

no power is to be made when turbo charging a VTEC engine cuz VTEC is all hype and doesn't make power is what your saying, right?

 

ok no

im saying IF you are only looking for VTEC for the price you will pay..... you can buy a b18b motor and put a turbo on it!

the post he made just looks to me that he is looking to turbo a vtec motor. im not saying that they are bad motors. however if he is looking to pay 4500.00 for a motor

dont u tihnk you could A: buy a b18b B: buy a turbo kit C: make more power than a stock b16b/b18c?

i would have to say yes. and that is what i was getting at. for the money i wouldnt go that route

and i have had both vtec and non vtec. i just think for the money you could buy a built block and run much power power. considering the high compression will only take you so far with turbo

 

my opinion isant so much non vtec fact based or vtec fact based, however it is a opinion based off of cost verse horsepower.

my opinion is cost effective and allows you to make more power than stock

 

b18sihatch , ok dude u recomend the b18b, do you have a swap site so i can check the prices and what turbo kit do u recommend, any turbo kits iv seen are over 2 grand / 3 + the swap ususaly around 2g's , thanks if you post any sites etc. and vtec / non vtec i dnt mind as long as i can boost my engine and make a decent bhp lookin around 300.

 

ok guys looking at the b18b the spec compaired to a type r b18c
B18B1 1834 9.2:1 142hp@6300/127lb
type r
B18C5 1797 10.6:1 195hp@hp@7600/127lb
now u can see the compression ratio are a bit higher with the type r but the hp is alot greater would i be better getting the type r? and that would get me to my goal alot quicker than the 145hp?

 

well i will have to say yes and no

you are comparing high compression to lower compression. obviously the higher compression is going to make more power. however with it being that high you are going to need to get a thick head gasket to lower the compression on the b18c Anyway. making the compression lower is going to lower the numbers right off the bat with the b18c.

you have to understand that the higher the compression the lower your psi is going to have to be. the lower your compression the higher your psi can be.

lower compression=more psi
high compression= low psi and a good tune

im just saying the b18b responds so well to boost anyway it would be a ideal choice. not only that but you are saying well the compression is higher so my numbers will be higher. but thats not really true taking into consideration you are going to have to lower the b18c's compression to make any good ammount of boost. making the numbers low anyway so i donno its up to you

 

ahh, now thats the more detailed response I was looking for

 

thats minted ok also there is a HUGE gap in price aswell for the swap! can you guys suggest a few sites please to get my swap! that would be great and i wont pester you anymore! also possibly what turbo kit u recommend i seen rev hard kits and greddy kits but wanting sum supeeeriour knowledge from the h-t dudes

 

a b18b with a rev hard or greddy kit can easily yeild you 300whp with proper tune and such. just becuase the compressions are different and the horsepower numbers are different doesnt mean that you wont make the same ammount of horsepower its just that the b18 responds so well to boost

and price is a good factor to look at, say you have a 1500.00 motor with a 1500.00 turbo kit. you will have a 300whp (capeable) motor. =3,000.00

with a 4500.00 motor you are only going to have the motor then you have to tack on the turbo kit 1500.00= 6,000.00

those are real rough estimates but as you can see you could use the extra 3k you save from getting the cheaper motor you can put towards building a block or building up your valve train

if power you want power you get, just in different moderations and different prices!

 

hey b18sihatch, thanks for that dude, what kind of psi u think stock would be able to run?
also iv im'd you but you havent reply'd asked if you could add me to msn icewolf_warrior@hotmail.com.
cant wait to get my project underway!


Modified by rosco at 11:43 AM 7/19/2006

 

a tuner i talked to said with a b18b with a decent turbo kit with a good tune you can get a good 250whp at 8psi! with a good fuel management system you can run a good ammount over 10psi.

 

excellent thinking of running 12-15 psi start at 10 see how it goes did he recommend any turbo kits? also would appreciate your msn or email address

 

also checked this site for swap does this look cosure? http://www.naganojapanese.com/jdm_b18bg1.htm ? good price works out £890 in stirling