Stock S2000 trackable
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Stock S2000 trackable
Im looking for input from those here who track there s2000's in stock or nearly stock form.
Im wondering how trackable these cars are in stock form. i came from preludes, where it was considered a pretty bad idea to track the car without addressing a few things in the brake department. the s2000, to me, feels much more track worthy.
my setup would be pretty much an AS autoX build minus the shocks. stock 01 with Avon tech R rcomps, and a big front sway (yet to buy, probably a sanar). Anything else i need to seriously consider before consider giving the track a try?
(obviously id be taking it pretty easy with a novice instructor along side of me since i have only really ever autoXed)
Edit: also, my rcomps are 225 all the way around (contact patch it quite bigger than most 225s) but the point is i know this creates over steer, but my sanar bar will most definitly be on full stiff and hopefully level this out.
Im wondering how trackable these cars are in stock form. i came from preludes, where it was considered a pretty bad idea to track the car without addressing a few things in the brake department. the s2000, to me, feels much more track worthy.
my setup would be pretty much an AS autoX build minus the shocks. stock 01 with Avon tech R rcomps, and a big front sway (yet to buy, probably a sanar). Anything else i need to seriously consider before consider giving the track a try?
(obviously id be taking it pretty easy with a novice instructor along side of me since i have only really ever autoXed)
Edit: also, my rcomps are 225 all the way around (contact patch it quite bigger than most 225s) but the point is i know this creates over steer, but my sanar bar will most definitly be on full stiff and hopefully level this out.
Re: Stock S2000 trackable (marks_lude)
from what ive been told by several road racing s2000 owners, you should goto the track at least once with the car to get used to it since youre coming from a fwd car.
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Re: Stock S2000 trackable (Chris.)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chris. »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">from what ive been told by several road racing s2000 owners, you should goto the track at least once with the car to get used to it since youre coming from a fwd car.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well i have a pretty good feel for the car after having autoXed for a year now. im not saying i dont have more to learn, everyone can continue to learn after every race, but id be interested in tryin some racing above 65 mph, which would mean big track.
my biggest concern, and reason for asking, is that i dont want to modify anything beyond AS legal for autoX. they are pretty strict with the rule and autoX is still my main pasttime. i can afford to get heavy into road racing and autoX is cheap as dirt compared to road racing. i would just like to try it a few times.
Well i have a pretty good feel for the car after having autoXed for a year now. im not saying i dont have more to learn, everyone can continue to learn after every race, but id be interested in tryin some racing above 65 mph, which would mean big track.
my biggest concern, and reason for asking, is that i dont want to modify anything beyond AS legal for autoX. they are pretty strict with the rule and autoX is still my main pasttime. i can afford to get heavy into road racing and autoX is cheap as dirt compared to road racing. i would just like to try it a few times.
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Re: Stock S2000 trackable (marks_lude)
A stock S2K is completely fine at the track.....brake pads and all..... no need to change ......
However, you may want to change the brake fluid to something w/ a higher boiling point....
Also, your biggest concern will be wether or not the track will let you drive without a scca/other legal roll bar.....
I am about 2-1/2 hrs from VIR, and would love to drive my s2k there, but they will not allow it on the track w/o a roll bar.... and not even w/ the hardtop installed....
however, I can go to CMP and drive, no problem....
so, the roll bar may be your biggest obstacle....
you will need to check w/ whatever track is nearest to you for their rules .....
However, you may want to change the brake fluid to something w/ a higher boiling point....
Also, your biggest concern will be wether or not the track will let you drive without a scca/other legal roll bar.....
I am about 2-1/2 hrs from VIR, and would love to drive my s2k there, but they will not allow it on the track w/o a roll bar.... and not even w/ the hardtop installed....
however, I can go to CMP and drive, no problem....
so, the roll bar may be your biggest obstacle....
you will need to check w/ whatever track is nearest to you for their rules .....
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Re: Stock S2000 trackable (marks_lude)
So...you're getting a big front bar to add understeer counteract the oversteer created by buying 225mm tires?!!
That doesn't sound counterproductive to you?
Buy either 245/45/16s all around, or 225/50/16f 245/45/16R. Leave the stock swaybars alone.
What year is your S2000? Learn the car before you mod it AT ALL. No swaybars, no other mods. Try to go out on factory street tires first.
I road raced my S2000 BONE stock about a week after I got it at road america. I couldn't have been more impressed with a stock car. The brakes did give out eventually...but Road america is a big track and we were running hour long sessions. IIRC, it was about 30mins into my first session...after I blew past an Audi S4....130mph back down to 60mph IN A HURRY. After a half hour of hard braking.
They're good brakes. But I run race pads now for track days.
You can most definately 100% sure take this car out bone stock for track days. You could have done that with a prelude as well.
Drive it, enjoy it, learn it, THEN mod it.
Ditch the swaybar idea.
That doesn't sound counterproductive to you?
Buy either 245/45/16s all around, or 225/50/16f 245/45/16R. Leave the stock swaybars alone.
What year is your S2000? Learn the car before you mod it AT ALL. No swaybars, no other mods. Try to go out on factory street tires first.
I road raced my S2000 BONE stock about a week after I got it at road america. I couldn't have been more impressed with a stock car. The brakes did give out eventually...but Road america is a big track and we were running hour long sessions. IIRC, it was about 30mins into my first session...after I blew past an Audi S4....130mph back down to 60mph IN A HURRY. After a half hour of hard braking.
They're good brakes. But I run race pads now for track days.
You can most definately 100% sure take this car out bone stock for track days. You could have done that with a prelude as well.
Drive it, enjoy it, learn it, THEN mod it.
Ditch the swaybar idea.
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Re: Stock S2000 trackable (B serious)
The S was the first RWD car I owned/tracked.
It was out on the racetrack doing HPDE events with only 740 miles on it.
VERY trackable in stock form. 
It was out on the racetrack doing HPDE events with only 740 miles on it.
VERY trackable in stock form.
Re: Stock S2000 trackable (GRAF-FITI)
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Re: Stock S2000 trackable (B serious)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B serious »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So...you're getting a big front bar to add understeer counteract the oversteer created by buying 225mm tires?!!
That doesn't sound counterproductive to you?
Buy either 245/45/16s all around, or 225/50/16f 245/45/16R. Leave the stock swaybars alone.
What year is your S2000? Learn the car before you mod it AT ALL. No swaybars, no other mods. Try to go out on factory street tires first.
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I have plenty of reasons to go with the set up i am:
1)I've raced it for a year now bone stock, i forced myself to do that for the exact reasons you mentioned. it was my first rwd car to race. im not a noobie racer tho, ive been running my old prelude for quite some time.
2) look at any national level solo S. they all run the stiffest front bars available, mostly the 2nd gen comptech, or a custom sanar. its one of the few mods allowed in stock class. any other class, and the S is out of its league.
3)225's all the way around actually isnt very rare on alot of the top S2000's (in autoX, not necessarily track)
4) i got 12 free rcomps all 225 width, pull offs, all of which have more than 80% tread, a few have never been mounted. did i mention they were free?
5) im tired of burning up my DD tires like i did all year last year. when i have free R comps im not goin to run tires i paid good money for.
6)the most important reason of all, no front sway and Rcomps on a tight course = tons of wheel spin from ur inside rear lifting, thus burning up (normally) expensive tires.
anyways, the basic story is, my car is being build mockin the setups of several national solo S2000's, and i just wanted to know how "big track" worthy this type of build is. it sounds like my only 2 concerns are track rules about roll bars, and maybe better brake fluid.
EDIT: and thanks everyone, its good to see several of you have run the car bone stock and have good things to say , like i said, the car feels much more ready than my prelude. stock 4thgen prelude brakes seemed weak for the heft of the car IMO.
Modified by marks_lude at 1:27 PM 3/6/2008
That doesn't sound counterproductive to you?
Buy either 245/45/16s all around, or 225/50/16f 245/45/16R. Leave the stock swaybars alone.
What year is your S2000? Learn the car before you mod it AT ALL. No swaybars, no other mods. Try to go out on factory street tires first.
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I have plenty of reasons to go with the set up i am:
1)I've raced it for a year now bone stock, i forced myself to do that for the exact reasons you mentioned. it was my first rwd car to race. im not a noobie racer tho, ive been running my old prelude for quite some time.
2) look at any national level solo S. they all run the stiffest front bars available, mostly the 2nd gen comptech, or a custom sanar. its one of the few mods allowed in stock class. any other class, and the S is out of its league.
3)225's all the way around actually isnt very rare on alot of the top S2000's (in autoX, not necessarily track)
4) i got 12 free rcomps all 225 width, pull offs, all of which have more than 80% tread, a few have never been mounted. did i mention they were free?
5) im tired of burning up my DD tires like i did all year last year. when i have free R comps im not goin to run tires i paid good money for.
6)the most important reason of all, no front sway and Rcomps on a tight course = tons of wheel spin from ur inside rear lifting, thus burning up (normally) expensive tires.
anyways, the basic story is, my car is being build mockin the setups of several national solo S2000's, and i just wanted to know how "big track" worthy this type of build is. it sounds like my only 2 concerns are track rules about roll bars, and maybe better brake fluid.
EDIT: and thanks everyone, its good to see several of you have run the car bone stock and have good things to say
, like i said, the car feels much more ready than my prelude. stock 4thgen prelude brakes seemed weak for the heft of the car IMO.Modified by marks_lude at 1:27 PM 3/6/2008
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Re: Stock S2000 trackable (marks_lude)
Upgrade your brake fluid and pads. OEM fluid heats up too quickly, and pads tend to glaze over.
other than that, the only mod you will need is driver improovement
other than that, the only mod you will need is driver improovement
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Re: Stock S2000 trackable (LAS2K)
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other than that, the only mod you will need is driver improovement </TD></TR></TABLE>
Cool i think that sounds like the game plan at this point. I'm excited to get on a real track and learn some new stuff. up to this point, the fastest ive done a long sweeper at 9 or 10/10th's of the limit was about 50 or 55mph on an autoX course.
other than that, the only mod you will need is driver improovement
</TD></TR></TABLE>Cool i think that sounds like the game plan at this point. I'm excited to get on a real track and learn some new stuff. up to this point, the fastest ive done a long sweeper at 9 or 10/10th's of the limit was about 50 or 55mph on an autoX course.
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Re: Stock S2000 trackable (marks_lude)
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Cool i think that sounds like the game plan at this point. I'm excited to get on a real track and learn some new stuff. up to this point, the fastest ive done a long sweeper at 9 or 10/10th's of the limit was about 50 or 55mph on an autoX course.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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Cool i think that sounds like the game plan at this point. I'm excited to get on a real track and learn some new stuff. up to this point, the fastest ive done a long sweeper at 9 or 10/10th's of the limit was about 50 or 55mph on an autoX course.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Check out http://www.wmhm.org. It's gonna be a bloodbath.
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One thing to remember is that road racing is not the same as auto x.
I wouldn't wear R comps for your 1st time out, or 2nd, or 3rd for that matter, they will hide mistakes that street tires won't and it will be alot eaisier to fix those problems when you're learning than a year later.
Check the road race forum, the pros will tell you, don't upgrade until it's the car holding you back, not the driver. Get an instructor to ride with if you can. Have fun, be safe
I wouldn't wear R comps for your 1st time out, or 2nd, or 3rd for that matter, they will hide mistakes that street tires won't and it will be alot eaisier to fix those problems when you're learning than a year later.
Check the road race forum, the pros will tell you, don't upgrade until it's the car holding you back, not the driver. Get an instructor to ride with if you can. Have fun, be safe
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Re: Stock S2000 trackable (cmdr430)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cmdr430 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A stock S2K is completely fine at the track.....brake pads and all..... no need to change ......
However, you may want to change the brake fluid to something w/ a higher boiling point....
Also, your biggest concern will be wether or not the track will let you drive without a scca/other legal roll bar.....
I am about 2-1/2 hrs from VIR, and would love to drive my s2k there, but they will not allow it on the track w/o a roll bar.... and not even w/ the hardtop installed....
however, I can go to CMP and drive, no problem....
so, the roll bar may be your biggest obstacle....
you will need to check w/ whatever track is nearest to you for their rules .....</TD></TR></TABLE>
Is this just for the S2000 being a convertible or does every car have to have a roll bar at VIR?
However, you may want to change the brake fluid to something w/ a higher boiling point....
Also, your biggest concern will be wether or not the track will let you drive without a scca/other legal roll bar.....
I am about 2-1/2 hrs from VIR, and would love to drive my s2k there, but they will not allow it on the track w/o a roll bar.... and not even w/ the hardtop installed....
however, I can go to CMP and drive, no problem....
so, the roll bar may be your biggest obstacle....
you will need to check w/ whatever track is nearest to you for their rules .....</TD></TR></TABLE>
Is this just for the S2000 being a convertible or does every car have to have a roll bar at VIR?
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Re: Stock S2000 trackable (emfollin)
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Is this just for the S2000 being a convertible or does every car have to have a roll bar at VIR?</TD></TR></TABLE>
yes,because the s2k is a convertible(cars w/ fixed roofs do not have to have a roll bar).... this is VIR's rule.....not every tracks rule....
Is this just for the S2000 being a convertible or does every car have to have a roll bar at VIR?</TD></TR></TABLE>
yes,because the s2k is a convertible(cars w/ fixed roofs do not have to have a roll bar).... this is VIR's rule.....not every tracks rule....
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