I'm sure taking the j's intake and shrouding it in ice would make quite a difference... Gee guess that ice in the comptech box works well on a real track (like one's that require that funny looking steering wheel do-hicky to be used other than to line up at the staging tree).

Like I said a few posts up a lot of these guys only care about bragging rights numbers... like how much 'peak' power they gained... Personally fattening up the torque and hp range below does much more.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mario &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you had a degree in mechanical engineering with emphasis on automotive application, which I doubt; then you might want to focus on your grammar.

The one thing you fail to realize before chiming in with your 2 cents is that this is a thread in the s2000 forum, regarding (suprise, suprise) s2000 intakes.

And you're using "information" from a different engine, in an entirely different car altogether to make an apples to oranges comparison. Nice.

Furthermore, had you stayed within the topic of discussion; you'll realize that the J's racing intake for the aforementioned Honda s2000 is currently (IMO) the best intake out on the market, thanks to cold air intake duct that extends to the bumper grille.

Mr. Integra just has ***** envy.

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hey? mario? where's that dyno chart i todl you to fetch?

it doesn't take a degree in mechanical engineering to figure out fluid mechanics.

you tell me to stay on topic of discussion and then you comment on my grammar? on a online forum? and then you comment on *****? lol what is this sexual education? how bout you stay on topic by fetchin me sum dyno charts? hmm?

 

now while nerdy *** mario fetches some dyno charts for every1 to see (which i doubt he has), i just want to say that physics govern which intake to choose. Not hearsay, not what you heard on forums, not from online self proclaimed geniuses like mario that thinks every1 who doesn't agree with conformity are stupid, ignorant, etc.

instead of asking "which intake is best for me! wheee", i suggest you grab a college physics book, study fluid mechanics, and then draw your own conclusion.

 

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nice.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ccarnel &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Don't sweat it vapors... most of the integra crowd here thinks anything that comes from japan (other than their car) is hype... you'll get called a 'stunna.'
They have no appreciation for the actual companies who do the R&D and come up with a product that works... only those who copy it and subsequently do not have to invest in any r&d other than making a reverse mold of something original

Of course these are the same idiots who like rap stars who sample all of their tracks with stolen lyrics and beats.

Oh well, when all the real aftermarket companies have to close their doors because comsumers buy the cheap knockoffs and we are left with a bunch of crap parts because no one has the ***** or know how to do any r&d we'll all be left empty handed.

For all you idiots who think j's is some hyped up jdm company, i've visited and talked with one of the owners Junichi Umemoto and they have more racing experience (around a track.. you know like suzuka, twin rings motegi,... not the local yocal drag strip) than you or your other buddies will ever collectively have.

When i visited there were many engines, transmissions, and other parts in various states of dissasembly and rebuild. We are not even going to talk about the full spec race cars (one of them the fastest crx in japan... around a track...not strip)</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr.Integra &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">now while nerdy *** mario fetches some dyno charts for every1 to see (which i doubt he has), i just want to say that physics govern which intake to choose. Not hearsay, not what you heard on forums, not from online self proclaimed geniuses like mario that thinks every1 who doesn't agree with conformity are stupid, ignorant, etc.

instead of asking "which intake is best for me! wheee", i suggest you grab a college physics book, study fluid mechanics, and then draw your own conclusion.</TD></TR></TABLE>

man, get a life. Go to another thread to troll in. As mario said, this intake is for a s2000, not integra. Take whatever issues you have with mario (however lame they might be) and settle it with PM's or e-mail. This is childish behavior.

 

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lol.. where's that dyno sheet?

 

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lol.. where's that dyno sheet?
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You might as well recant now, and save further humiliation. If that's even possible. Go outside and spread your wisdom elsewhere, while I look for & scan my dyno chart.

Speaking of my dyno sheet, where is your "dynos for integra", fob.

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dynos for integra R's show that j's intake...(more crap)
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You might as well recant now, and save further humiliation. If that's even possible. Go outside and spread your wisdom elsewhere, while I look for & scan my dyno chart.

Speaking of my dyno sheet, where is your "dynos for integra", fob.

If you think you're more accurate than actual dyno chart evidence, then you're an idiot.

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changing the topic eh? insetad of rambling on, why don't you spend the time to find that damn dyno sheet that i asked for? let me know when find it.. In fact, PM me when you do. Cuz i think you're just talkin out of your *** in order to save face on the internet.. lol..

anyways, if you want to find dynos for integras, just do a search. You will find a comparasion between j's and common SRI's.

s2k: lol you again? do you run house to house using your firends computer just so you can troll on honda-tech? damn man, i never knew you took all those bans to heart.. it's okay man.. life isn't over..

 

Not to get in the middle of this, but I was actually hoping to get some good information from this thread. Can we try to get back on topic? If you want to argue, can't that be done through PMs?

Are there any J's racing knock-offs? It looks like quite a peice of craftsmanship, but I don't really need it in carbon fiber and all that. I was hoping to get something similar for &lt; $300.

 

as far as i know, there aren't any j's knockoffs

The design of J's intake is based on simple theoretical ideas. However in the real world, it doesn't work quite as well.

bottom line: Get yourself a cheap SRI that works better and cost less.

 

performance of j's intake on S2000 DOES NOT EQUAL performance of intake on RSX or INTEGRA. Once again you are making a conclusion about a product that no one has seen a dyno of but claim that because it doesn't work on the rsx (for only peak power i imagine) that it wont work on the s2000. I hope you don't work as an engineer or for any kind of scientific reasearch firm.

If it does not make the power fine but until i see the proof i'm not going to knock it.

Oh and SRI=short ram intake=hot air intake=stock computer retarding timing like no tomorrow=loss of power

Oh and my SRI thing has been proven on the dyno... by many... many.........many s2ki board members. AEM even redisigned their SRI because it did nothing but hurt performance... hence the CAI design of the new piece.

 

J's not only has it's wangy looking design that is supposed to help, but it also has the spoonesque ram air thingy (pardon my poor use of the English language) that comes down to suck air from in front of the radiator. That has to be better than an SRI. I'd say bang for buck maybe a cheap CAI, but I don't think I'd put an SRI in an S2k, because thats pretty much what it comes with stock. I think the J's is way too overpriced, but if money wasn't an issue, I'd take the J's over another CAI, and definitely over an SRI.

 

Actually, I don't believe that the smaller diameter parts of the intake really become a bottleneck unless you are exceeding the flow capacity of that diameter of piping. And that's at least theoretically impossible because it is compressible fluid flow. But I know that's not really the case. Anywho, I'd just thought I'd add that.

 

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blah blah

why don't you spend the time to find that damn dyno sheet that i asked for? let me know when find it.. In fact, PM me when you do. Cuz i think you're just talkin out of your *** in order to save face on the internet..

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Mr. Integra got owned.

Where's YOUR supposed "dyno for integras" that refuted the benefits of the J's intake? Who's talking out of their *** now?

Poseur.

 

Maturity factor on this post is low. Can't you two settle this on email? PM? Anyway...as far as intake goes...why not just save up for the S/C add an extra 100whp

 

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Your thought on supercharging a perfectly good Naturaly Aspirated engine shows what your "maturity factor" is.

Maybe it's the all-American mentality; cram as much horsepower you can, with total disregrad about practicality as well as drivability.

nice

 

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Mr. Integra got owned.

Where's YOUR supposed "dyno for integras" that refuted the benefits of the J's intake? Who's talking out of their *** now?

Poseur.</TD></TR></TABLE>

poseur..?

i can't be the one talking out of my *** because i emphasized on SRI (short RAM INTAKE) vs j's. Not AEM cai. Not stock. Where's your "dyno for s2k" that show's us god's gift to man?

it's only the internet. instead of postin that dyno sheet, you post "Mr Integra got owned" i can see you're boiling with negative emotions now. it's okay if you're one of the millions that let their emotions cloud their objectivity. lol.. it's alrite man. no shame in adminting it

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lightlude &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Actually, I don't believe that the smaller diameter parts of the intake really become a bottleneck unless you are exceeding the flow capacity of that diameter of piping. And that's at least theoretically impossible because it is compressible fluid flow. But I know that's not really the case. Anywho, I'd just thought I'd add that.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I don't really understnad what you are trying to say. If you are exceeding the flow capacity of the smaller diameter part, then you might as go with an intake that has a larger diameter.

Anyways, J's intake theory is based on this:

For an incompressible fluid
A1V1 = A2V2 = constant
(Cross Sectional Area Fat)(Volume at fat) = (Cross sectional Area Skinny)(Volume at skinny)

If the was forced in, j's intake would have an advantage over other intakes because V2 will have a larger value.

But because the air is NOT being forced externally, there is no need for the "fat" portion of the intake.

Sorry for this crude description, but hopefully you can understand

 

"For an incompressible fluid"
Here is one problem... air is not an incompressible fluid... it in fact is very compressible.

I think it's benefit has less to do with the velocity of air that runs through the piping... but rather the temperature of the air entering the engine. By pulling this air from directly in front of the car, I would imagine the intake temperature is much lower than the stock setup. I'm sure it takes out some of the restriction of the stock system as well.

 

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poseur..?

i can't be the one talking out of my *** because i emphasized on SRI (short RAM INTAKE) vs j's. Not AEM cai. Not stock. Where's your "dyno for s2k" that show's us god's gift to man?

it's only the internet. instead of postin that dyno sheet, you post "Mr Integra got owned" i can see you're boiling with negative emotions now. it's okay if you're one of the millions that let their emotions cloud their objectivity. lol.. it's alrite man. no shame in adminting it</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes, you are a moron.

You were the one who based your opinion purely on supposed proven "dyno facts" that were done on the Integra. That was noted by me as well as others far before your stupidity began to be exaggerated by one moronic posts after another. And guess what, the link I have provided have negated your claim.

You relied on an Integra J's dyno chart to provide basis on your comment regarding the J's S2000 intake, that was stupid. You wanted me to prove my evidence, but you don't have yours, lol. But I played along, and found you a dynochart that says the whole basis of your argument IS false. So why should we continue to listen to your rambling about anything else?

A little deductive reasoning:

SRI &lt; CAI
CAI &lt; J's

therefore

SRI &lt; J's

go back to Algebra class before you list anymore theories.

 

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Your thought on supercharging a perfectly good Naturaly Aspirated engine shows what your "maturity factor" is.

Maybe it's the all-American mentality; cram as much horsepower you can, with total disregrad about practicality as well as drivability.

nice

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Look, how old are you, and where do you get your information? As far as practicality and driveability a S/C S2000 has both. You can even get your S/C warrantied by a Honda dealership if you have them install it. Don't believe it then check S2ki. I know my **** about cars. I've been working on vehicles since I can remember. There is a TON of information on the reliability of a supercharged S2000 so leave me out of your inane babble.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ccarnel &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">"For an incompressible fluid"
Here is one problem... air is not an incompressible fluid... it in fact is very compressible.

I think it's benefit has less to do with the velocity of air that runs through the piping... but rather the temperature of the air entering the engine. By pulling this air from directly in front of the car, I would imagine the intake temperature is much lower than the stock setup. I'm sure it takes out some of the restriction of the stock system as well.</TD></TR></TABLE>

EXACLTY.. air is compressible. But the equations are for an inconpressible fluid (i.e water is very hard to compress). Which is another why j's might not work so well in the real world. I never did like stock intakes. J's intake should benefit if you're upgrading from stock.

Mario: Just let it go man. Instead of name calling, why don't you contribute somethign useful to the topic of discussion.. lol here's your humurous attempt at deductive reasoning

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mario &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> SRI &lt; CAI
CAI &lt; J's

therefore

SRI &lt; J's
</TD></TR></TABLE> lol wtf is that?

 

why not get an Injen CAI? Much cheaper than the Comptech/Spoon/J's....doesnt look as "hardcore" but I think the gains are there if not better the the ones mentioned in above...

 

cai.. sri.. get whatever you want as long as it doens't cost anywhere near j's