Seafoam = Amazing
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Re: (MNsnowdaboy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MNsnowdaboy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I just put some Pennzoil Syncromesh last weekend and feels good, so the jump right back on the bandwagon people. </TD></TR></TABLE>
yeah cuz "feel" is everything.
"i use mobil gasoline because i FEEL like the car is faster when i use it so, if you're really a true carguy, you'll only use mobil like ME."
Feeling alone is nothing.
yeah cuz "feel" is everything.
"i use mobil gasoline because i FEEL like the car is faster when i use it so, if you're really a true carguy, you'll only use mobil like ME."
Feeling alone is nothing.
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Re: (SeaQuake)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SeaQuake »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hmmm, I stay away from internet bandwagons ever since that BULLSHIT about GM syncromesh. It fucked up my tranny. The only good that came out of it was that I had a mis-labeled f22 tranny in my h22 so putting in an h22 tranny worked wonders.
**** INTERNET BANDWAGONS </TD></TR></TABLE>
Did the same thing on my old h23... probably did it too late, but I didn't notice a thing. I am going to stick with what my Helms manual says now, 10-30 or 10-40 motor oil
**** INTERNET BANDWAGONS
</TD></TR></TABLE>Did the same thing on my old h23... probably did it too late, but I didn't notice a thing. I am going to stick with what my Helms manual says now, 10-30 or 10-40 motor oil
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Re: (h8trix)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by h8trix »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Did the same thing on my old h23... probably did it too late, but I didn't notice a thing. I am going to stick with what my Helms manual says now, 10-30 or 10-40 motor oil </TD></TR></TABLE>
That's why one should wait to see if anyone else has tried it and see if there are any more positive results.
Some people are willing to try things out, some people aren't.
For GM Synchromesh, I wasn't willing to try it out. I waited to see what other's have said. I waited and waited. Finally, I've read enough and I tried a mix. I used 1 quart Honda MTF, and 1 quart GM Synchromesh Friction Modified. I must say, it does make the shifting better.
For Seafoam, I'm still waiting to see others try it out.
It's not always joining the bandwagon, but the willingness to try new things out that could be good! Such as Water Wetter and how just a drop of dial soap will do the same thing.
</TD></TR></TABLE>That's why one should wait to see if anyone else has tried it and see if there are any more positive results.
Some people are willing to try things out, some people aren't.
For GM Synchromesh, I wasn't willing to try it out. I waited to see what other's have said. I waited and waited. Finally, I've read enough and I tried a mix. I used 1 quart Honda MTF, and 1 quart GM Synchromesh Friction Modified. I must say, it does make the shifting better.
For Seafoam, I'm still waiting to see others try it out.
It's not always joining the bandwagon, but the willingness to try new things out that could be good! Such as Water Wetter and how just a drop of dial soap will do the same thing.
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Re: (SeaQuake)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SeaQuake »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">**** INTERNET BANDWAGONS </TD></TR></TABLE>
Internet bandwagons are annoying as hell, but on the other hand, how else will you know if a product is good or not without people trying it and giving reviews? You can be the first to try it and take a risk, or you can read other's experiences and its not as much of a risk (very important to those of us that modify our DD's). Seafoam gets from me, great stuff. Synchromesh has also helped me too, and I decided to try both from reading good reviews from H-T members. Besides, how do you know the synchromesh was the cause of your tranny dying? It just seems weird that it would destroy yours, and everyone else has nothing but good things to say about it.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Internet bandwagons are annoying as hell, but on the other hand, how else will you know if a product is good or not without people trying it and giving reviews? You can be the first to try it and take a risk, or you can read other's experiences and its not as much of a risk (very important to those of us that modify our DD's). Seafoam gets
from me, great stuff. Synchromesh has also helped me too, and I decided to try both from reading good reviews from H-T members. Besides, how do you know the synchromesh was the cause of your tranny dying? It just seems weird that it would destroy yours, and everyone else has nothing but good things to say about it.
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although many swear by GM SM, and i myself have used it once, the fact remains that SM is too thin too meet the viscosity specs put forward by honda. this viscosity difference might be what leads to the improved shifting, and the problems caused by said difference are in a component that doesn't see regular inspection.
bottom line is, a lot of people could be destroying their trannies with SM, but it would take a while to find out whether that's the case or not.
case in point: the car might "feel" better with 0w20 in the crankcase, but until we get data from an oil analysis, or witness the destruction of a few engines, we'll never know.
plenty of things "feel" awesome: not using condoms, sleeping right after eating, doing tons of extasy in a drug binge weekend with a bunch of hot but herpes infected supermodels. the problem with "good feelings" is oftentimes you can't "feel" yourself getting aids, getting fat, or becoming a herpetic e-tard that's stuck in the 90's until it's too late...
bottom line is, a lot of people could be destroying their trannies with SM, but it would take a while to find out whether that's the case or not.
case in point: the car might "feel" better with 0w20 in the crankcase, but until we get data from an oil analysis, or witness the destruction of a few engines, we'll never know.
plenty of things "feel" awesome: not using condoms, sleeping right after eating, doing tons of extasy in a drug binge weekend with a bunch of hot but herpes infected supermodels. the problem with "good feelings" is oftentimes you can't "feel" yourself getting aids, getting fat, or becoming a herpetic e-tard that's stuck in the 90's until it's too late...
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yup "feel" is like when going from 2nd to third and you have a lot of resistance, but after the fill it's almost all gone. That what "Feel" is and "Feel" is good enough for me now.
I don't have all the fact if it's good or bad long term, but niether do you. It's all write ups by some people somewhere but like you say, we won't really know the long term affect until couple years from now.
I've researched and the answer I got was nobody know what the f@ck they're talking about and just read it here and there. My decision was based on about 70-80% cases where people liked it.
Hey if it's gonna kill my tranny years later, oh well my tranny was gonna die soon anways....haha
I don't have all the fact if it's good or bad long term, but niether do you. It's all write ups by some people somewhere but like you say, we won't really know the long term affect until couple years from now.
I've researched and the answer I got was nobody know what the f@ck they're talking about and just read it here and there. My decision was based on about 70-80% cases where people liked it.
Hey if it's gonna kill my tranny years later, oh well my tranny was gonna die soon anways....haha
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Re: (bad-monkey)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bad-monkey »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">although many swear by GM SM, and i myself have used it once, the fact remains that SM is too thin too meet the viscosity specs put forward by honda. this viscosity difference might be what leads to the improved shifting, and the problems caused by said difference are in a component that doesn't see regular inspection.
bottom line is, a lot of people could be destroying their trannies with SM, but it would take a while to find out whether that's the case or not.
case in point: the car might "feel" better with 0w20 in the crankcase, but until we get data from an oil analysis, or witness the destruction of a few engines, we'll never know.
plenty of things "feel" awesome: not using condoms, sleeping right after eating, doing tons of extasy in a drug binge weekend with a bunch of hot but herpes infected supermodels. the problem with "good feelings" is oftentimes you can't "feel" yourself getting aids, getting fat, or becoming a herpetic e-tard that's stuck in the 90's until it's too late...</TD></TR></TABLE>
some damn good words of wisdom...lmfao
bottom line is, a lot of people could be destroying their trannies with SM, but it would take a while to find out whether that's the case or not.
case in point: the car might "feel" better with 0w20 in the crankcase, but until we get data from an oil analysis, or witness the destruction of a few engines, we'll never know.
plenty of things "feel" awesome: not using condoms, sleeping right after eating, doing tons of extasy in a drug binge weekend with a bunch of hot but herpes infected supermodels. the problem with "good feelings" is oftentimes you can't "feel" yourself getting aids, getting fat, or becoming a herpetic e-tard that's stuck in the 90's until it's too late...</TD></TR></TABLE>
some damn good words of wisdom...lmfao
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Re: (pheurton-skeurto)
The reason why I blamed GM SM for the destruction of my tranny was because I decided to change out the tranny oil after a few thousand miles of driving. I didn't know how old the stuff in it was. The fluid that I drained was perfectly clean and shard free.
One thousand miles after putting in the correct amount of GM Syncromesh I started to hear bearing noise. After pulling the tranny and opening it I noticed that 3 bearings were bad. They were replaced, at that time I noticed that it was an F22 tranny and decided on getting a new tranny so I still used the syncromesh to see if any further damage will occur. Yes it did, my syncros started failing and so did some more bearings.
With so many people swearing by a product that didn't work for me, I decided to not ever try **** that I see on the internet. I am only referring to important stuff like oil, timing belts, oil and water pumps and things like that.
One thousand miles after putting in the correct amount of GM Syncromesh I started to hear bearing noise. After pulling the tranny and opening it I noticed that 3 bearings were bad. They were replaced, at that time I noticed that it was an F22 tranny and decided on getting a new tranny so I still used the syncromesh to see if any further damage will occur. Yes it did, my syncros started failing and so did some more bearings.
With so many people swearing by a product that didn't work for me, I decided to not ever try **** that I see on the internet. I am only referring to important stuff like oil, timing belts, oil and water pumps and things like that.
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Re: (AndyD)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AndyD »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Officially 10K miles on my H22 swap with GM Synchromesh....not one problem to mention. </TD></TR></TABLE>
My M2A4 grinded badly at one point. I used Synchromesh, and i was able to drive on the tranny normally for another year before I switched to an M2B4.
Anyways, what about Seafoam. This is supposed to be a Seafoam topic. I'd like to see a few more people "willing" to do a compression test before and after. There was another thread somewhere else on HT, where someone LOSS compression after seafoam.
</TD></TR></TABLE>My M2A4 grinded badly at one point. I used Synchromesh, and i was able to drive on the tranny normally for another year before I switched to an M2B4.
Anyways, what about Seafoam. This is supposed to be a Seafoam topic. I'd like to see a few more people "willing" to do a compression test before and after. There was another thread somewhere else on HT, where someone LOSS compression after seafoam.
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Re: (cpforyou)
if they lost compression its because it shouldnt be used in the oil on a motor with lots of miles if its a newer car then yes use it in the oil but only for like 10 min then change the oil other than that i whould just use it in the gas like every time you get emissions or if like me your idle started goin up and down i used it in the booster line and pcv line and some deep creep in the TB then reset my codes and it was back to normal it may be the reson it made my o2 sensor go bad but it had 100k miles on it and i had tried to clean it with brake cleaner last year but who noes i needed a new one anyway
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Re: (Cashis Lee)
Here is my method and what I have found works.
Two cans of sea foam
4 new spark plugs
Oil
Filter.
First I put about 1/3-1/2 in the gas and drive around a week or so.
Then Brake booster suck half a bottle through or whatever, make sure you get it to stop smoking, do some light driving around the neighborhood and make sure its done smoking.
Then, 1/3 in the crank case, I drive around the block just to make sure the oil is hot.
Drain the oil ( a long drain ), new oil, filter. and Install new plugs. All that smoke is carbon, duh.its now all over your plugs, so definitely swap them out.
I noticed on my old civic this method worked night and day.
Two cans of sea foam
4 new spark plugs
Oil
Filter.
First I put about 1/3-1/2 in the gas and drive around a week or so.
Then Brake booster suck half a bottle through or whatever, make sure you get it to stop smoking, do some light driving around the neighborhood and make sure its done smoking.
Then, 1/3 in the crank case, I drive around the block just to make sure the oil is hot.
Drain the oil ( a long drain ), new oil, filter. and Install new plugs. All that smoke is carbon, duh.its now all over your plugs, so definitely swap them out.
I noticed on my old civic this method worked night and day.
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Re: (SeaQuake)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SeaQuake »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The reason why I blamed GM SM for the destruction of my tranny was because I decided to change out the tranny oil after a few thousand miles of driving.</TD></TR></TABLE>
See if it works for so many and yours self destructed, how can you simple blame it on the SM. It's like when your motor blows from Nitrous, it works for many but it just happens to you, can't really blame it on the product.
I know you might not be the only case that has a bad experience but if you ask all the people there would be a pretty good % of people that likes it.
I would like to see a research of this product by some trusted source doing a test so we can all end this debate. I'm not with or against it on if it works or not, I just needed a solution quick and from my research, it was worth a shot. There's is too many people reading false info here in H-T including myselft.
I would like to see a poll on Seafoam and SM to see what the % of peaple that uses it thinks of it. Yes it might not be totally accurate because we won't see the after affects until a few years but it'll be interesting just to see.
See if it works for so many and yours self destructed, how can you simple blame it on the SM. It's like when your motor blows from Nitrous, it works for many but it just happens to you, can't really blame it on the product.
I know you might not be the only case that has a bad experience but if you ask all the people there would be a pretty good % of people that likes it.
I would like to see a research of this product by some trusted source doing a test so we can all end this debate. I'm not with or against it on if it works or not, I just needed a solution quick and from my research, it was worth a shot. There's is too many people reading false info here in H-T including myselft.
I would like to see a poll on Seafoam and SM to see what the % of peaple that uses it thinks of it. Yes it might not be totally accurate because we won't see the after affects until a few years but it'll be interesting just to see.
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Re: (OzzieAccord)
hmm, im skeptical to try this.......... I hear some good and some bad opinions/experiences with this stuff.......... I kinda wanna use this stuff cuz I DO have carbon build up, but this is my daily driver and I dont want to harm anyting to make it die!
I also herd soenthing about Aceton in your gas tank. Anyone else?
hmm, I guess ill have to make the decision if I wanna use seafoam or not.............
I also herd soenthing about Aceton in your gas tank. Anyone else?
hmm, I guess ill have to make the decision if I wanna use seafoam or not.............
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guys, look back to jagan'92's post.....this **** did the exact same to darkbb4....
it is not worth risking it....
half of the idiots on here are claiming that their car "feels" so much smoother....just like it "feels" faster after a lighter flywheel....
its all bullshit, they are just saying that bc they used it and nothing bad happened, so they believe that some good was done bc they saw a huge cloud of smoke....
how do you idiots know that the smoke isnt just the seafoam burning....not carbon....
f some people are dumb....quick risk a motor to try a bottle of some ****.....
it is not worth risking it....
half of the idiots on here are claiming that their car "feels" so much smoother....just like it "feels" faster after a lighter flywheel....
its all bullshit, they are just saying that bc they used it and nothing bad happened, so they believe that some good was done bc they saw a huge cloud of smoke....
how do you idiots know that the smoke isnt just the seafoam burning....not carbon....
f some people are dumb....quick risk a motor to try a bottle of some ****.....
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Re: (mgags7)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mgags7 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its all bullshit, they are just saying that bc they used it and nothing bad happened, so they believe that some good was done bc they saw a huge cloud of smoke....</TD></TR></TABLE>
Really?
Let's analyze up the ingredients in Seafoam (from the product data sheet on their site: SeaFoamsales.com) :
25%-35% Naphtha (a solvent)
10%-20 Isopropal alcohol (another solvent and a water absorber)
40%-60% Pale oil (a thin, light mineral oil).
None of these things will create such a dark cloud of smoke when ignited. So where does that dark smoke come from? Well, whatelse is in the motor? Oh yea, carbon buildup and oil deposits.
See, if you would have actually used the product, you'll see that once you pour the cleaner into the motor and started it up, you'll get a huge smoke that starts off dark grayish. Then once the carbon deposits burn off, the smoke will slowly start turn more white in color.
Seafoam isn't "magic". Marval Mystery Oil isn't a "mystery". They're all just cleaners and solvents that help remove carbon and varnish without having to tear down the motor and clean each individual parts of your motor. Combined with proper basic maintenance schedules, quality motor oils and filters, this product is just another helping hand in keeping your motor in top shape.
An alternative that "old schoolers" have used is a few drops of ATF in the crankcase (unplug plugs, add drops on top of pistons). ATF has detergents in it that keeps the AT case clean.
What I see here isn't a "Seaform" bandwagon....but actually a "Hater" bandwagon, based on speculation and not a drop of experience with said product itself. You make the call.
Really?
Let's analyze up the ingredients in Seafoam (from the product data sheet on their site: SeaFoamsales.com) :
25%-35% Naphtha (a solvent)
10%-20 Isopropal alcohol (another solvent and a water absorber)
40%-60% Pale oil (a thin, light mineral oil).
None of these things will create such a dark cloud of smoke when ignited. So where does that dark smoke come from? Well, whatelse is in the motor? Oh yea, carbon buildup and oil deposits.
See, if you would have actually used the product, you'll see that once you pour the cleaner into the motor and started it up, you'll get a huge smoke that starts off dark grayish. Then once the carbon deposits burn off, the smoke will slowly start turn more white in color.
Seafoam isn't "magic". Marval Mystery Oil isn't a "mystery". They're all just cleaners and solvents that help remove carbon and varnish without having to tear down the motor and clean each individual parts of your motor. Combined with proper basic maintenance schedules, quality motor oils and filters, this product is just another helping hand in keeping your motor in top shape.
An alternative that "old schoolers" have used is a few drops of ATF in the crankcase (unplug plugs, add drops on top of pistons). ATF has detergents in it that keeps the AT case clean.
What I see here isn't a "Seaform" bandwagon....but actually a "Hater" bandwagon, based on speculation and not a drop of experience with said product itself. You make the call.
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Re: (Finest)
Just out of curiosity: What effect, if any, do you guys that have used seafoam think that large ammounts of particulate smoke have on a catalytic converter?
Also, not hating in anyway, because the ingredients that Finest listed all burn so well, its likely they won't leave more residue, but isn't it also possible that the engine will be running rich while it burns off all the seafoam, and so producing black smoke because of excess slow burning (relative to alcohol) gas? This could be especially true with startup enrichment on a cold engine.
It sounds like some of you guys have had good results, congratulations! After being somewhat inspired by you guys I'm going to try some seafoam in my truck's motor, its been pretty sick...figure it can't hurt too much.
Much love to all the honda tech-ers, and get excited, because the weekend is almost here!
Also, not hating in anyway, because the ingredients that Finest listed all burn so well, its likely they won't leave more residue, but isn't it also possible that the engine will be running rich while it burns off all the seafoam, and so producing black smoke because of excess slow burning (relative to alcohol) gas? This could be especially true with startup enrichment on a cold engine.
It sounds like some of you guys have had good results, congratulations! After being somewhat inspired by you guys I'm going to try some seafoam in my truck's motor, its been pretty sick...figure it can't hurt too much.
Much love to all the honda tech-ers, and get excited, because the weekend is almost here!
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Re: (Niles)
Depending on the current condition of your cat, it should be able to properly burn off any harmful deposits that make it through the exhaust system.
Your a/f's will probably be all over the place while the substance is moving through your motor and carrying the carbon deposits out. That's why it's a good idea to get new plugs since they'll most likely foul out. The temporary "rich state" shouldn't cause any more additional dark smoke since you're not really adding more fuel to the mixture, just releasing the carbon buildup which gets vaporized and flushed out of the system through the exhaust.
Your a/f's will probably be all over the place while the substance is moving through your motor and carrying the carbon deposits out. That's why it's a good idea to get new plugs since they'll most likely foul out. The temporary "rich state" shouldn't cause any more additional dark smoke since you're not really adding more fuel to the mixture, just releasing the carbon buildup which gets vaporized and flushed out of the system through the exhaust.
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From: The Wizard Of Oz, State Rd 1505, Section 8
Here's what you do...........
Get a fuel injector cleaner pump
Fill it with 3/4 94 octane gas - and the other 1/4 with seafoam
attach the pump to the fuel line - I don't know if we have a shrader valve or banjo fitting.
Disable the fuel pump - and make sure you release the fuel pressure first. - Keep the injector pulse though.
Fire the engine up, and let the engine run off the pump. This way you won't have to contaminate the gasoline with that crap.
As far as putting it in the crankcase - just run some oil treatment next time you get your oil changed. I wouldn't risk putting seafoam in there.
Brake booster line :thumbsdown: on that entire idea.
Oh - and as far as gas mileage goes. It is proven that most premium gasoline do not clean the engine as they should. The only one that is proven to actively clean the engine is the Shell V-Power. I don't use v-power, but its just a fact. Marathon is working on it now. I'm pretty sure momst of you know that each gas company adds their own detergents and additives to the gas. Shell works......does infact increase gas mileage. I'll stick with my sunoco 94 octane though.
Get a fuel injector cleaner pump
Fill it with 3/4 94 octane gas - and the other 1/4 with seafoam
attach the pump to the fuel line - I don't know if we have a shrader valve or banjo fitting.
Disable the fuel pump - and make sure you release the fuel pressure first. - Keep the injector pulse though.
Fire the engine up, and let the engine run off the pump. This way you won't have to contaminate the gasoline with that crap.
As far as putting it in the crankcase - just run some oil treatment next time you get your oil changed. I wouldn't risk putting seafoam in there.
Brake booster line :thumbsdown: on that entire idea.
Oh - and as far as gas mileage goes. It is proven that most premium gasoline do not clean the engine as they should. The only one that is proven to actively clean the engine is the Shell V-Power. I don't use v-power, but its just a fact. Marathon is working on it now. I'm pretty sure momst of you know that each gas company adds their own detergents and additives to the gas. Shell works......does infact increase gas mileage. I'll stick with my sunoco 94 octane though.
