Ah ok, I saw that and wasn't sure if it was the right one, from memory I think it was M2P4. Does that sound right? I will check later once I am unchained from the office desk .

P13 Head is from an older 4th Generation Prelude! Is that good or bad? I was pretty sure it wasn't porteded or polished but wasn't expecting that result. Is there a big difference between the two?

Are there any other codes etc... I should be looking for to identify Piston, Camshaft types etc...? As before I consider tuning I want to fully understand what I am starting with.

 

not sure any of you guys have seen but here in australia the last batches of 5th gen (BB6) (2001) ludes came with H22Z8 motor...

Wouldnt have any idea what the specs of the motor are, from memory the head had someting like P5T on it

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MotegiMan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I believe they are two different engines, Motegi engine developed from ATR engine (H22A7 I believe). </TD></TR></TABLE>
They are the same engine.
The only differences are in exhaust system, (larger, with metallic converter), different injectors, and EOBD2 ECU.


Modified by h22a8 at 8:37 PM 10/30/2003

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by h22a8 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">They are the same engine. The only differences are in exhaust system, (larger, with metallic converter), different injectors, and EOBD2 ECU.</TD></TR></TABLE>

If the engine have different codes (ATR H22A7 and Motegi H22A8) then how can they be the same? Derivatives of the same engine series yes but not the same. The Exhaust system, of course, will be different as they are different cars. As for injectors and ECU I couldn't comment as I don't know what ECU and injectors I have but will have a look and find out this weekend, any hints on where the part numbers will be? Any other codes I should be looking for?

saturn_srv also identified that the head on the H22A8 is the same as those on the 4th generation preludes, again different from the ATRs ported and polished head. There are also the differences I discussed in my previous post describing the differences felt when driving the two cars (I nearly swapped my Motegi for an ATR about a month ago).

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fastludeh22 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

does the h23a vtec block have oil squiters?</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

Here are some pictures courtesy of GOTNOS

 

THAT is the car I would love to have...the Troneo...I saw one once on some website and couldn't remember what it was called, I love it, I don't know why but I'd absolutely love to own one...

 

That's an Accord SiR-T, with the F20B motor...the Troneo is the same car just with different body panels though.

THe thing I don't get is the license plate says EURO-R when the car isn'ta euro-r

 

Yeah I know which car that one is...I was referring to the ones earlier in the post...I just posted late...lol

 

Hello!

Do all of the Accord SIR Wagons (the CH9's) have an automatic transmission?

Were they ever offered with a 5 speed manual transmission?

Does every Euro R Accord come with a factory LSD?

Thanks,
Dan

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CivicH23AHybrid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hello!

Do all of the Accord SIR Wagons (the CH9's) have an automatic transmission?

Were they ever offered with a 5 speed manual transmission?

Does every Euro R Accord come with a factory LSD?

Thanks,
Dan</TD></TR></TABLE>


All Accord SiR Wagons that had the H23A VTEC came with auto trannies. If you buy often places will bolt an H22a tranny to it.

Every Euro-R comes with the T2W4 LSD tranny.

 

Damn satan! You really know your shi*!

I bought my engine from osaka (a big oops from what i hear), but the engine is in GREAT shape. I guess they did bolt a H22A tranny to it b/c the guy who's doing my swap said it looked exactly like the same trans on his JDM H22A.

Do you think that swapping the JDM H23A engine into my civic was a better choice than the JDM H22A?

Do you know of any other differences between the engines?

BTW...sorry about posting in the wrong places...I'm trying

 

Also, is it possible to swap one of the JDM Euro R H22s into a civic?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CivicH23AHybrid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Damn satan! You really know your shi*!

I bought my engine from osaka (a big oops from what i hear), but the engine is in GREAT shape. I guess they did bolt a H22A tranny to it b/c the guy who's doing my swap said it looked exactly like the same trans on his JDM H22A.

Do you think that swapping the JDM H23A engine into my civic was a better choice than the JDM H22A?

Do you know of any other differences between the engines?

BTW...sorry about posting in the wrong places...I'm trying </TD></TR></TABLE>

try to read at least though...you're asking wjat the differences are and my first post in this thread explains everything. the H23A VTEC has a lower redline but makes a lot of midrange torque. If you got a good deal sounds good to me. You will have to put on an OBDI distributor though and find an ecu to use...

and yes people swap in Euro-R H22as....it's all the smae mounts so it doesn't really matter what h series it is.. they all hook up realtively the same and are equally swappable physically.

 

keep in mind that if you get an accord motor for a swap you will need to find all prelude brackets and such to make it work with existing mount kits. the driver side braket and the rear bracket are different from normal h22's that came out of preludes.

on another note. i know the auto accord sir f20b cams are smaller than type s cams. i have a set of each sitting here in front of me. the auto cams are bigger than normal jdm h22 cams, but smaller than type s. the auto engine also has a smaller throttle body. the head and block have PCB stamped on them, as well as the bottom 1/2 of hte intake manifold. the top of the manifold has p13 stamped on it, the cam caps have p13 stamped on them as well as the distributor, cam gears, timing belt, and water pump. the header bolts up the same as well. It comes with an aluminum a/c bracket, single belt crank pully and no PS

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDogg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">keep in mind that if you get an accord motor for a swap you will need to find all prelude brackets and such to make it work with existing mount kits. the driver side braket and the rear bracket are different from normal h22's that came out of preludes.

on another note. i know the auto accord sir f20b cams are smaller than type s cams. i have a set of each sitting here in front of me. the auto cams are bigger than normal jdm h22 cams, but smaller than type s. the auto engine also has a smaller throttle body. the head and block have PCB stamped on them, as well as the bottom 1/2 of hte intake manifold. the top of the manifold has p13 stamped on it, the cam caps have p13 stamped on them as well as the distributor, cam gears, timing belt, and water pump. the header bolts up the same as well. It comes with an aluminum a/c bracket, single belt crank pully and no PS</TD></TR></TABLE>

The automatic F20B was rated at 180ps instead of 200ps, made better midrange using smaller cams and a smaller TB as you have pointed out. And a different ecu tune I'm sure.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by h22a8 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I have a '99 Prelude (Euro model, I'm from Italy)
It's a normal 4WS and I can confirm that my engine also is the h22a8, wich is the only spec available in Europe since 1999 (with manual tranny).
Obviously the valve cover is red.
You are the one guy I've found with the same engine as me (the best for Ludes) </TD></TR></TABLE>

I have the same

H22A8 from Poland

 

any body know where i can get a euro R tranny?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MotegiMan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
saturn_srv also identified that the head on the H22A8 is the same as those on the 4th generation preludes, again different from the ATRs ported and polished head. There are also the differences I discussed in my previous post describing the differences felt when driving the two cars (I nearly swapped my Motegi for an ATR about a month ago).</TD></TR></TABLE>

lol......

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by raylude &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">any body know where i can get a euro R tranny?</TD></TR></TABLE>

They are kinda hard to come by. You might find one in the classifieds or just search the internet.

 

right ive done some digging,
in the u.k we have 2 types of engine in our 5th gen lude.

h22a6 = 185 bhp

h22a8 = 197 bhp

the h22a6 was in the 97 - 99 cars but the was a speical editon motegi that came with the h22a8 and the in 99 honda stopped using the h22a6 and every lude had the h22a8.

the difference between the a6 and a8 are that the a8 has

Different:

- Air intake ducting/filter housing (same as Type-S),
- Camshafts with increased lift,
- Catalytic converter is a larger size,
- Different pistons giving a higher compression ratio,
- Enlarged throttle body from 60 to 62 mm,
- Exhaust manifold / down pipe,
- Exhaust piping has an increased bore of 57 mm instead 51 mm,
- Flexible pipe before the catalytic converter is shorter,
- Optimised ignition and injection timing,
- Valve seats readjusted from 60 to 45 degrees,
- Last but not least, the valve cover is red.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by satan_srv &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That's an Accord SiR-T, with the F20B motor...the Troneo is the same car just with different body panels though.

THe thing I don't get is the license plate says EURO-R when the car isn'ta euro-r </TD></TR></TABLE>

In some asian countries the accord is marketed as the Torneo. There is a Torneo Euro R as well as an Accord Euro R.

 

back from the dead for a question

i had just thought of somehting and was wondering if you could shead some light on this for me joel or anyone else:

how come it is when using a Euro R intake mani on stock usdm h22 head you hve to grind the top of the flange in order for the intake manifold flange to clear the slant of the head? how much different is a euro R head? and why? any info?

 

Where can u get thouse euro r wheels and will they fit a 5th gen accord?

 

So what exactally is the engine code for the EuroR Accord engine, besides "H22A EuroR Spec?" H22A5? I gather from what you've been saying that the ATR engine is the h22a8, but then you say the a8 only has 200hp when saten lists it as being 212hp?
Accord EuroR and ATR are godly...i want the lips for my bb4

 

i just bought a f20b im wondering if its worth the money spent on it? i wanna know if its worth buying the f20b over the h22 type-s.. someone please help me out. or if someone cam give me its advantages and disadvantages over an h series motor..


thanks!