Re: (Spade)
 

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If I had no Wife, Civic or new Truck, i'd be able to get a 1999 Skyline GTR-Spec V.....i'll take the wife.</TD></TR></TABLE>

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Re: (Archidictus)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Archidictus &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Go look on autotrader for LT1 camaros. That's right, there are tons in the $6500 - $10000 range. You could check out myriad 70's musclecars that'll hit high 12's low 13's stock for prices as low as $3000...you've got used Syclones and Grand Nationals for under $10k. Should I keep going? Typical cost of a 14.3 Hatchback:

$2500-$4000 for the car
$3500 for the GS-R swap (with all the kinks worked out)
$1000 for the boltons
$500 for suspension (at least)
if you want to count them, good tires and lightweight rims $800

I think you can do the math.

I drive a stock 1993 EH3, but all of my friends have modded shit and $10k later they're all oil-burning, rattletrap, low-14-second bitches or worse.

You can count the number of 11-second, daily driven Hondas on one hand and I can guarantee all of that shit cost more than a "real sportscar". Sure, it's fun to watch a Z06 owner's face fall off when you walk him like a bitch in your built H22 turbo hatchback, but at the end of the day he's cruising with the A/C on, listening to crystal-clear music and getting road head from his model girlfriend while you're pulling raw metal shards out of your ass from stripping your econobox, fighting back nausea from the ungodly fumes of the exhaust and sweating like a pig in heat because you took your creature comforts out and threw them in the garbage all in the name of 4hp.

When you grow up, you'll understand.
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I think your in the wrong arena buddy. last I heard this site is for honda lovers. not big bad gas guzzlin, super touring, V8 lovers. not to mention the handling is so much better in them heavy ass cars too https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...es/emsmile.gif
Get out of these forums and find yourself a new comfy home with the V8 boys kid.

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I'm fortunate enough to have a second car so my civic is now primarily my toy car. I do what I like to it, and drive it when I feel like it. It's the only way to go if you plan to go full fledged with your modifications and really get your money's worth.

I don't mind spending the money cause I have gained certain things that can't be labeled with monetary value. I have more confidence in myself doing things. I realized more than ever if I wanna do something I can do it. I've also learned a ton from it, and it has shaped my personality drastically. Yes I've put over three times what I bought the car for, in to the car, but it's worth it I'd say.

My car helped me get my current job which does pay well and put me ahead in life. How'd it do that? I met one of my best friend through working on my Honda and he helped get me my current job.

So I'm happy, and I'm okay if all the money I put into is lost if I wreck it or if it gets stolen. I'm doing my best to make my car hard to steal though. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...es/emsmile.gif

Re: (AlphaQup)
 

You guys are funny. You cannot compare a m3 to a civic. It's a totally different ball game. I'm selling my hatch because if i wreck it or it get stolen i'm out alot of money and it's not worth the liabililty. If you can afford to get a better car then your civic i would do it. Good luck to everyone.

Re: (JMU1337)
 

For me, yes, I would like to have a better car. But I find nothing wrong with my Honda. I sort of agree with some of you guys that say that even after all is said and done, the gains don't seem to equal the amount of money spent. But it's all a hobby. If you are doing it for fun, it shouldn't really matter what car it is. Building a motor is building a motor. The guys that build up their V8's go through the same hastles as us building up our I4's...it's just a different base to start from but the same headaches and hastles arise either way. You can spend lots of money however you want, but a Honda is still a fun car and very reliable even when you sink assloads of money into it. The only time my car fucks up is why it's because of something I did to it, not because the car itself just broke. I love my little Honda and always will. My first car was a Honda and since then I have had nothing but love for Hondas. Just because its a Civic doesn't mean it can't have potential. Yeah, we get shit for having a Civic from domestic owners, but think about it....they are the ones that are giving us beef. Us Honda owners (except for the ignorant ones) hardly ever go talk trash to domestic people. Deep down, the guys driving V8 Camaros and Mustangs secretly wish that they could be driving a 12 second car on the road that has some good body styling and still gets around 30mpg.

Re: (b16a ferio)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b16a ferio &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">For me, yes, I would like to have a better car. But I find nothing wrong with my Honda. I sort of agree with some of you guys that say that even after all is said and done, the gains don't seem to equal the amount of money spent. But it's all a hobby. If you are doing it for fun, it shouldn't really matter what car it is. Building a motor is building a motor. The guys that build up their V8's go through the same hastles as us building up our I4's...it's just a different base to start from but the same headaches and hastles arise either way. You can spend lots of money however you want, but a Honda is still a fun car and very reliable even when you sink assloads of money into it. The only time my car fucks up is why it's because of something I did to it, not because the car itself just broke. I love my little Honda and always will. My first car was a Honda and since then I have had nothing but love for Hondas. Just because its a Civic doesn't mean it can't have potential. Yeah, we get shit for having a Civic from domestic owners, but think about it....they are the ones that are giving us beef. Us Honda owners (except for the ignorant ones) hardly ever go talk trash to domestic people. Deep down, the guys driving V8 Camaros and Mustangs secretly wish that they could be driving a 12 second car on the road that has some good body styling and still gets around 30mpg.</TD></TR></TABLE>
IM WITH YOU BRO https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif

Re: Re: (Bumnah)
 

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I don't mind spending the money cause I have gained certain things that can't be labeled with monetary value. I have more confidence in myself doing things. I realized more than ever if I wanna do something I can do it. I've also learned a ton from it, and it has shaped my personality drastically. Yes I've put over three times what I bought the car for, in to the car, but it's worth it I'd say.

So I'm happy, and I'm okay if all the money I put into is lost if I wreck it or if it gets stolen. I'm doing my best to make my car hard to steal though. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...es/emsmile.gif</TD></TR></TABLE>

exactly, not to mention that when you rebuild a car from the ground up it is yours, not some bimmer, itr, fucking wrx that you got some low-interest financing for and drove off the lot as is... you are the engineer, builder, driver, and you can actually be proud of what you are driving... btw an e36 m3, itr, wrx wouldnt stand a chance against a civic with a proper build up and the civic will still cost less, and you are still paying insurance on a 12 year old econobox from japan https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif

Re: (b16a ferio)
 

I'm dropping an engine, wheels, then auto crossing it for the summer, then I'm going to sell it and get a supra, or at least that's the plan. I just hope to keep the supra stock, I know I will drop way too much money into that as well.

The thing is, my civic is going to be extremely fast, but no interior besides the ugly ass blue, my work is over powering me and I really don't have much time to care for my car anymore... I dunno, I'm kindof at a cross roads with you, plus I had sooo much love for the true honda performance scene, esp. the local scene, but when I got into arguments with other honda enthuists I've realized their are some stupid ass people that I don't want to be any part of. Well other than fight them and call it even... If you don't know what I'm talking about then don't worry about it! https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...es/emsmile.gif

Re: (w00t!)
 

Oh yeah. I live in a RICH ass city, next to where Bill Gates lives... https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...s/emhammer.gif

I see these young ass kids driving $80+ cars, acting like their shit does't stink. It makes me laugh, I know I have something unique, and something I worked for by my self. I don't want to be like the rest... I'm not going to drive something that JUST gets me from point a to point b, I want to do it with a smile on my face...

Re: (b16a ferio)
 

Modding my Civic is one of only a few hobbies I have. If I wasn't putting my money into my car, I would blow it at the bar, or I'd probably pick up a drug habbit or two. It keeps me out of trouble, besides traffic tickets. My car is almost paid for and I think I'll keep it instead of getting myself into a $30,000+ debt buying a "nice" car. That $500 a month payment on top of the $500 a month it would cost me to insure it wouldn't be worth it to me. I don't put $1,000 a month into my Civic. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images.../h-emblem4.gif https://honda-tech.com/forums/images.../h-emblem4.gif https://honda-tech.com/forums/images.../h-emblem4.gif https://honda-tech.com/forums/images.../h-emblem4.gif

Re: (w00t!)
 

If I could find someone to get rid of my hybrid to, I would defintely get out of Hondas and pick up the car ive always wanted...it sucks too because there was one at the local Mitsu dealer the last time I checked.

Anybody lookin for an eg? https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emwink.gif

Re: (mantic6t9)
 

Same thing goes with "comfort" there is always more. Its where you want to draw the line. Also don't forget when you step up to BMW that you have to pay more for insurance and just wait till you start paying for replacement parts. Then dealing with BMW dealers and mechanics. Unless you have hookups to bwm parts I hope you have money aside to buy one.

The people that have spent close to a price of an M3 was that they changed parts or replaced. But you will have that with every car if you start modding a car.

I know including the cost of the actual car I have over 12k into my car. And engine wise I only have intake and exhaust. Its because I went through a few different sound systems and then other parts that after a while I got tired of. I know I will never get close to it, but I had fun with the parts that I had on my car so I feel I got my "use" out of them. I've thought of selling my car, but I can't find a car I honestly feel like is worth it right now. I have thought about buying a 6th gen civic, but I think "well its still a civic which I will spend more money on" the only thing it has going for it is that its "newer" but I just don't see my car falling apart anytime soon. Also I live in the North east so convertible isn't an option because then I would need 2 cars which means 2 insurance expenses. I also would have to have it garaged in the winter which is more money. I really think some people need to think in reality. (I'm not stating directly to anyone in this thread, that was just a general comment because I know quite a few people where I live need to do this)

because its the only fun hobby I have right now

Re: (coupedup)
 

my cousins 03' M3 at westhiemer taken with my powershot g3
Full size available.
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Re: (Jawad)
 

^^^ NICE pic https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif

Re: (Archidictus)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Archidictus &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Go look on autotrader for LT1 camaros. That's right, there are tons in the $6500 - $10000 range. You could check out myriad 70's musclecars that'll hit high 12's low 13's stock for prices as low as $3000...you've got used Syclones and Grand Nationals for under $10k. Should I keep going? Typical cost of a 14.3 Hatchback:

$2500-$4000 for the car
$3500 for the GS-R swap (with all the kinks worked out)
$1000 for the boltons
$500 for suspension (at least)
if you want to count them, good tires and lightweight rims $800

I think you can do the math.

I drive a stock 1993 EH3, but all of my friends have modded shit and $10k later they're all oil-burning, rattletrap, low-14-second bitches or worse.

You can count the number of 11-second, daily driven Hondas on one hand and I can guarantee all of that shit cost more than a "real sportscar". Sure, it's fun to watch a Z06 owner's face fall off when you walk him like a bitch in your built H22 turbo hatchback, but at the end of the day he's cruising with the A/C on, listening to crystal-clear music and getting road head from his model girlfriend while you're pulling raw metal shards out of your ass from stripping your econobox, fighting back nausea from the ungodly fumes of the exhaust and sweating like a pig in heat because you took your creature comforts out and threw them in the garbage all in the name of 4hp.

When you grow up, you'll understand.
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Don't let the door hit you in the ass when you leave.

Yeah I've got a few buddies that have been that V8 route and still came back to Honda because:

1. Gas mileage. His 12.4 on motor Mustang ate up $40.00 in gas per week.

2. Handling. You can have a drag Mustang or Camaro, but have fun trying to hang with basic suspension modded Civics.

3. Cost. What? I thought V8s were SOOOOOO God damned cheap to build? Buy quality parts and they can cost a lot too. Check on some crate engine pricing and some real trannies, rear ends, etc. Keep thinking that you'll have an 11 second $3,000.00 V8 though if it makes you happy.

In the end it's all about what you want, but I'm not going to sit here and read your BULLSHIT. If you don't like Hondas anymore than by all means get the fuck out now.

I don't go on V8 MBs spreading the joys of great handling, reliable, good gas mileage Hondas.

BTW:

I could have very easily had a nice V8 Mustang by now, but I want my Civic because I love how it drives. If you want to be Billy Dragracer then please buy a Mustang/Camaro/Grand National, etc. but don't expect to have an 11 second V8/turbo'd V6 that handles killer too - not if you're keeping budget in mind.

Re: (Quad-Damge)
 

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i dont do it because its cool i started doing my honda because i luv the feeling of making it better n better. as of calling it a hobby its almost a lifestyle, look at all your freinds i bet a majority of them are the same enthusiasts u see at the tracks. honestly if i bought a nice new car, i would probably not want it after ayear because i wouldnt be able to afford modifying it and just be pissed off on isurance and car payments.

as for the scene itself, i think if my honda was stolen i would not buy another one again. where i live there are too many haters in the racing scene that they steal a car with a swap every chance they get. it sucks that everytime i wanna go somewhere with my girl she ends up driving her car because im afraid to leave it outside the mall or even outside the movie theater parking lot.
i luv my honda though ill keep it until i can afford a toyota supra TT or a gtr vspec https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/embeer.gif

Re: (juicedricer)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Quad-Damge &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Becuase Imports are cool and hard to make fast, and u get so much props when you do, it's a expensive hobbie, but when u can look at your car and say it's done out, and others love it as well, you know you have done something right.

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Hard to make fast? I spent $4,000, which is way too much, and about $3,000+ for engine and suspension, it will out corner many many sports cars, and beat them in the 1/4 mile...

I don't know what your talking about... $7,000 isn't shit...

Re: So you wake up and realize you are modifying...a Civic... (hybridreams)
 

By the way:

I cannot think of another car for $12,000.00 that:

1. Has brand new paint, bodywork all smooth, all new trims, bumpers, fenders, hood, etc.

2. Has brand new suspension, brakes, wheels, tires, and all poly bushings

3. Runs low 13's possibly high 12's (with better 60 footers) all day

4. Is VERY capable in auto-X and/or road racing

5. Sips gas to the tune of high 20's/low 30's mpg

6. $55.00 per month for full coverage insurance (listed as "pleasure" vehicle https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emwink.gif )

7. Costs little to nothing to maintain

8. Has an engine that will last well over 150K even when beat on really hard

9. Brakes really good

I mean I can keep going if you'd like for me to.

Re: So you wake up and realize you are modifying...a Civic... (B18C5-EH2)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18C5-EH2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">By the way:

I cannot think of another car for $12,000.00 that:

1. Has brand new paint, bodywork all smooth, all new trims, bumpers, fenders, hood, etc.

2. Has brand new suspension, brakes, wheels, tires, and all poly bushings

3. Runs low 13's possibly high 12's (with better 60 footers) all day

4. Is VERY capable in auto-X and/or road racing

5. Sips gas to the tune of high 20's/low 30's mpg

6. $55.00 per month for full coverage insurance (listed as "pleasure" vehicle https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emwink.gif )

7. Costs little to nothing to maintain

8. Has an engine that will last well over 150K even when beat on really hard

9. Brakes really good

I mean I can keep going if you'd like for me to.

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i totally agree reason one why i luv honda https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...es/emsmile.gif https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/embeer.gif

Re: So you wake up and realize you are modifying...a Civic... (B18C5-EH2)
 

Thanks for the reality check Tom, with all the talk of spending M3 money to mod a Civic, I thought I was crazy for thinking I could stay within my modest budget.

Re: (Archidictus)
 

http://www.cadillac.com/cadillacjsp/...LRHero_img.jpg

have fun with your new sportscar! https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...s/emthdown.gif https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...s/emthdown.gif

btw.. try and saving some money on that!

Re: So you wake up and realize you are modifying...a Civic... (hybridreams)
 

What keeps me into it?

It's not taking this whole honda, import, who's better/faster than who, shit so seriously.

I don't care if my cars look the best, have all the creature comforts, or if they're the fastest thing on 2 wheels.

They are cheap and most importantly fun. Isn't that why we all got into it in the first place?

Once it's not fun anymore, i'll move on to something else...

Re: So you wake up and realize you are modifying...a Civic... (JV)
 

Oh and lastly:

If we're talking about moding NEW Mustangs, Camaros, etc. then fuck that. Those things cost well over $22,000.00 to get into the good ones and the really good ones are upward of $34,000.00 (the high 12's running stock Cobra).

If you're being an elitist assfuck about it well great - you can afford a much more expensive car than over half of this forum (EG+Civic/Del Sol) so great for you. You worked hard and you've earned it, but there's no need to rub it in the rest of our faces.

Now if you're talking about building up older Mustangs and/or Camaros, then you're back in the predicament of modding a cheap-ass car.

What makes you guys think that an old Mustang/Camaro is worth any more than a 1992 Civic?

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Re: So you wake up and realize you are modifying...a Civic... (tbkonwso)
 

i wont buy a new car untill i have enough money to fix my civic ...and buy a new car!!!