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EM1 VTEC Boy 08-10-2011 06:22 PM

EM1 Type R Swap or K20a2/z1 HELP!!!
 
Ok, so I have an EBP EM1 and I eventually wanna swap it. I know a lot of ppl say you devalue the SI by doing this blah blah blah or just buy an EK EX and do the swap but its whatever. So i'm left with a question of what swap to do??? I'm thinking either B18c5, K20a2 or z1. Ive been doing a lot of research but i cant figure out what i wanna do. Please post what u think would be best and some helpful tips would be great. Im not really thinking of boosting it, leaning more towards all motor for right now. Thanks.

grumblemarc 08-10-2011 06:29 PM

Re: EM1 Type R Swap or K20a2/z1 HELP!!!
 
Whichever one has the most horsepower that you can afford. Period.

Libertariat 08-10-2011 06:37 PM

Re: EM1 Type R Swap or K20a2/z1 HELP!!!
 
If you're planning on going all motor you should really opt for the larger displacement.

h2b, b20, or k20 should be your only considerations for an n/a build.

The ITR is a great bolt in swap for anyone who wants great fun, reliability, and a phenomenal transmission.

An h2b with an ITR trans would smoke an ITR swap 6 ways to sunday for about the same cost in a swap. The block is LOADS cheaper and you can buy a QSD kit with the savings.

K20 is a solid engine too, I don't like cable shifters though and the k20's tend to have transmission issues in general. All engines have their ups and downs.

Bottom line, the B18c5 shouldn't even be in your consideration list. It's a nice motor, but not what I'd call a good platform for an n/a build.

Stock performance? Hard to beat. Build potential? A ripped down b-series is a ripped down b-series. Why pay primo for the b18c5 block if you're going to rip it up anyway?

EM1 VTEC Boy 08-10-2011 06:38 PM

Re: EM1 Type R Swap or K20a2/z1 HELP!!!
 

Originally Posted by grumblemarc (Post 45818507)
Whichever one has the most horsepower that you can afford. Period.

The B18c5 is more expensive on the website im thinking of buying from I guess since its from a Type R haha. The k series is obviously gonna give me more pwr and trq but in the long run im not sure which will cost more since the k series is a newer setup in an older chasis.

Libertariat 08-10-2011 06:40 PM

Re: EM1 Type R Swap or K20a2/z1 HELP!!!
 
K20's have normalized. They're plenty cheap. Much cheaper than they used to be.

See my above post.

EM1 VTEC Boy 08-10-2011 06:44 PM

Re: EM1 Type R Swap or K20a2/z1 HELP!!!
 

Originally Posted by ek forever guy (Post 45818564)
If you're planning on going all motor you should really opt for the larger displacement.

h2b, b20, or k20 should be your only considerations for an n/a build.

The ITR is a great bolt in swap for anyone who wants great fun, reliability, and a phenomenal transmission.

An h2b with an ITR trans would smoke an ITR swap 6 ways to sunday for about the same cost in a swap. The block is LOADS cheaper and you can buy a QSD kit with the savings.

K20 is a solid engine too, I don't like cable shifters though and the k20's tend to have transmission issues in general. All engines have their ups and downs.

Bottom line, the B18c5 shouldn't even be in your consideration list. It's a nice motor, but not what I'd call a good platform for an n/a build.

Stock performance? Hard to beat. Build potential? A ripped down b-series is a ripped down b-series. Why pay primo for the b18c5 block if you're going to rip it up anyway?

Thanks for that grade A comment haha. I know i wanna do a complete changeover for whatever engine i decide. Eng,Trans,ECU,etc... all the same, call me retarted i just like a good CLEAN setup=)

EM1 VTEC Boy 08-10-2011 06:47 PM

Re: EM1 Type R Swap or K20a2/z1 HELP!!!
 

Originally Posted by ek forever guy (Post 45818577)
K20's have normalized. They're plenty cheap. Much cheaper than they used to be.

See my above post.

Yea that is definitely true. I can k swap my car for 4000 not including shipping and installation and the type r is 4500

98civdx 08-10-2011 06:56 PM

Re: EM1 Type R Swap or K20a2/z1 HELP!!!
 
K24/K20, if you can swing the money. Really, a proper build is going to run 5-10k.


K swaps are getting cheaper, however, the parts to do this correctly are still spendy.
The k-pro plus tuning will run 1300+

EM1 VTEC Boy 08-10-2011 07:01 PM

Re: EM1 Type R Swap or K20a2/z1 HELP!!!
 

Originally Posted by 98civdx (Post 45818655)
K24/K20, if you can swing the money. Really, a proper build is going to run 5-10k.


K swaps are getting cheaper, however, the parts to do this correctly are still spendy.
The k-pro plus tuning will run 1300+

Yea they are. I was definitely going to do the k pro i understand the money issue. And money will definitely be saved for this build/swap=)

Libertariat 08-11-2011 01:53 AM

Re: EM1 Type R Swap or K20a2/z1 HELP!!!
 
haha, I don't think you really have an option with the kpro.

98civdx 08-11-2011 07:44 AM

Re: EM1 Type R Swap or K20a2/z1 HELP!!!
 

Originally Posted by Libertariat (Post 45820257)
haha, I don't think you really have an option with the kpro.

you can run the K20a ecu, BUT, that means springing for the K20a.

They don't have the imbolizior that the others do.


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