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tampabud 02-17-2019 12:40 PM

Did a search, still confused... B18C1 swap in OBD-2A civic
 

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Honda Heads, I have a 1998 Civic LX sedan. I picked up a 2001 Integra GSR swap. I still need the following: 99-00 si transmission mount?
upper timing belt mount?

and the most confusing thing for me has been the wiring portion - do I need a 99-00 Si engine harness? Will the OBD2B P72 ecu I have work with that? If anyone has part numbers I need I would greatly appreciate that as well. I know I need a CRV AC bracket to keep my ac... any other stuff I’m missing?

tony_2018 02-17-2019 01:01 PM

Re: Did a search, still confused... B18C1 swap in OBD-2A civic
 
1.No, wont work
2. You'll need conversion harness to work with that ecu

tampabud 02-17-2019 01:13 PM

Re: Did a search, still confused... B18C1 swap in OBD-2A civic
 

Originally Posted by tony_2018 (Post 51864137)
1.No, wont work
2. You'll need conversion harness to work with that ecu

so I shouldn’t bother with getting the 99-00 Si engine harness? Should I get the Si harness and look for a obd2a P72?

***still unsure*** I am a rookie

tony_2018 02-17-2019 02:19 PM

Re: Did a search, still confused... B18C1 swap in OBD-2A civic
 
1. no, won't work

NVturbo 02-17-2019 04:12 PM

Re: Did a search, still confused... B18C1 swap in OBD-2A civic
 
99-00 Civic SI harness is similar to SOHC Civics. They run from ECU all the way to the components in the engine bay, unlike sub-harnesses of Integras and EG Civics/Del Sols.

JRCivic1 02-17-2019 08:35 PM

Re: Did a search, still confused... B18C1 swap in OBD-2A civic
 
Use the engine harness you have in the car... add the VTEC wiring/plugs and re-orient the MAP/TPS wiring to fit the GSR engine. You will also need to convert the 3-wire IACV to a 2-wire one. You can use the existing transmission bracket and mount. What you must get from a '99-00 Civic Si is the rear T-bracket. The '01 GSR ECU has an immobilizer and will expect to "see" the key and column reader which your civic doesn't have, so using that ECU will be challenging. So, you either find a '96-99 GSR (P72) ECU which will plug in directly to your current engine harness or use an OBD-1 ECU (tuneable is even better) and a conversion harness.

tampabud 02-19-2019 08:26 AM

Re: Did a search, still confused... B18C1 swap in OBD-2A civic
 
Thank you, I needed the most basic explanation and you provided that!

tampabud 02-19-2019 08:29 AM

Re: Did a search, still confused... B18C1 swap in OBD-2A civic
 
When you say re-orient the MAP TPS wiring to fit the GSR motor, is that extending the wires, or cutting/splicing?

Adding the VTEC wiring and plugs, and converting the IACV I understand, just wanted to know exactly what needs to be done for the MAP/TPS.

JRCivic1 02-19-2019 07:29 PM

Re: Did a search, still confused... B18C1 swap in OBD-2A civic
 
The MAP and TPS wiring should be long enough inside the engine harness loom that you should not have to cut anything... however, you will need to open up the loom on the center of the engine harness main bundle and pull that wiring back toward the passenger side of the harness and then re-loom it. Also, decide where you intend to locate the IAT sensor (the stock GSR intake manifold has it on the back close to the T/B) and your Civic had it in the air box on top of the T/B, so you will have to lengthen it and either change the plug to the GSR round type or install the original square type IAT sensor into the air intake tube.

Lastly, I forgot to mention that you will need a two bolt driver's side engine bracket instead of the 3-bolt bracket found on the GSR engine. They can be acquired from either a USDM '97-01 CR-V or a '99-00 Civic Si.

bigjon1378 02-19-2019 08:19 PM

Re: Did a search, still confused... B18C1 swap in OBD-2A civic
 

Originally Posted by JRCivic1 (Post 51866553)
The MAP and TPS wiring should be long enough inside the engine harness loom that you should not have to cut anything... however, you will need to open up the loom on the center of the engine harness main bundle and pull that wiring back toward the passenger side of the harness and then re-loom it. Also, decide where you intend to locate the IAT sensor (the stock GSR intake manifold has it on the back close to the T/B) and your Civic had it in the air box on top of the T/B, so you will have to lengthen it and either change the plug to the GSR round type or install the original square type IAT sensor into the air intake tube.

Lastly, I forgot to mention that you will need a two bolt driver's side engine bracket instead of the 3-bolt bracket found on the GSR engine. They can be acquired from either a USDM '97-01 CR-V or a '99-00 Civic Si.

if he is using a hasport kit then the 3 bolt post mount should work as long as he orders the 3 bolt driver mount from hasport

tony_2018 02-20-2019 01:00 AM

Re: Did a search, still confused... B18C1 swap in OBD-2A civic
 
OP hasn't specified any of that, no point in assuming he bought

bigjon1378 02-20-2019 01:12 AM

Re: Did a search, still confused... B18C1 swap in OBD-2A civic
 

Originally Posted by tony_2018 (Post 51866612)
OP hasn't specified any of that, no point in assuming he bought

But it is good knowledge for him to have in case he is going with aftermarket mounts.

tony_2018 02-20-2019 05:33 AM

Re: Did a search, still confused... B18C1 swap in OBD-2A civic
 
nvm, I see he hasn't done the swap, carry on.

JRCivic1 02-20-2019 10:11 PM

Re: Did a search, still confused... B18C1 swap in OBD-2A civic
 

Originally Posted by bigjon1378 (Post 51866569)
if he is using a hasport kit then the 3 bolt post mount should work as long as he orders the 3 bolt driver mount from hasport

Excellent clarification bigjon... a nugget that may be useful to the OP. ;) Since the OP was discussing stock mounts, I "assumed" the use of the stock driver's side mount and thus noted the need for the 3-bolt to 2-bolt engine bracket swap. However, if the OP chooses to use aftermarket mounts like those available from HASport, he can choose either style and wouldn't necessarily require a left side engine bracket.


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