Just wondering ive read a few guys on the DSM boards using them and they say they can make some good power on it. Does anyone have experience in this or know of some sites?

 

Yep, I helped run METHANOL injection on a friends mustang. He ran 14 pounds of boost and 22 degrees of timing before, and with the meth we cranked it up to 22 pounds of boost and 28 degrees of timing on 93 octane pump gas. This stuff works fantastic, but honestly you can make as much power as you could ever hope to use on the street with straight pump gas, so why hassle with it?

 

Im planning on running a 50/50 methonal water mix on my turbo civic so i can push more boost on crappy 91 octane california pee water. From the reading ive done, it can work very well.

There was a guy on here that dynoed over 500whp on 91 octane pump gas with a 50/50 methonal injection system. Very awesome. He said the charge pipe froze and was covered in ice after a few dyno runs. Very very cool.

Checkout this site...

http://derekdevises.com/

They make a pretty cool kit - and have alot of useful information.

I have some information on different types of gases on my website, might be useful too. Its in the "text" section at the bottom of this link.

http://liam821.com/pix/?path=info

liam

 

aquamist waterinjection system
i run it on my stock b18a with ctr piston at 19psi with91 octane for two years now

 

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i run it on my stock b18a with ctr piston at 19psi with91 octane for two years now</TD></TR></TABLE>

Something smells fishy about 19 psi, 91 octane, and 11.7:1 compression being in the same sentence.

 

water injection is there too - I wouldn't call BS immediately necessarily. One of the jyturbo list ppl was able to lean their mustang out from 12.8:1 to 14.7:1 AFR, bump timing 4 deg @WOT and maintain identical power output with a little help from water injection.

 

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Something smells fishy about 19 psi, 91 octane, and 11.7:1 compression being in the same sentence.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I wouldnt say fishy at all. You would be amazed what meth/water injection can do. Im planning on running around 20-22psi on 91 with 9:1 compression with meth/water.

liam

 

i was thinking of running water injection on my jrsc with my own water injection kit i'm planning on piecing together. here are some links that might help you:

http://www.geocities.com/rad87gn/tech/alcohol.html

http://www.gnttype.org/techare....html

http://www.gnttype.org/techare....html

http://www.snowperformance.net/products.asp?id=1

it shouldn't cost more than $150 to piece your own kit.

 

you might find this interesting
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=494078

 

Thanks guys

 

i know alot of the VW 1.8T guys do it and have great results, and i plan on trying it too in the near future

 

cars that have excessive compression from factory coupled with boost and low octane gas is disaster. The invention of water alky mix came about with theGN guys becuz they wanted to run 93 octane and still up the boost to around 25psi this was a daunting tax but they did it and it really worked out well. It helped prevent the issues that are assocaited wit high boost and low octane gas

 

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It has been around ALOT longer than that. I have a progressive kit on my car which increases pump pressure as MAP increases.

 

This is the site i get my stuff from. I used 100% methanol in my DSM for a year without a problem, but you need to use an additive called Klotz to help keep the corrosion down. With 91 octane i could only boost 17 psi and base timing retarded 0 degrees with a 20G turbocharger. After I put on the methanol i had to lean out my overall mixture down around 10% across the RPM band, but i was able to run 7 more degrees of base timing and ran 26 psi without any knock. I also ran the same time at the track with C16 as i did with 91 octane and methanl injection. I have heard the different mixtures of H20 and methanl and the best results i saw was the more methanol the more timing and boost. I tried a 50/50 mix, but i still had some knock at 20 psi. When i went to a 100% there was no knock. Yes i did datalog my knock on a pocketlogger. I would put this on any boost street car I ever was going to be involved in.

http://coolingmist.com/

 

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more like wwII when the germans used it in their planes, then the US soon followed.

 

how come the germans have all the good engineers.....

 

didn't they use nitrous oxide also! i could be wrong i will have to look and see.

 

NACA reports 0wn j00.

 

yeah and GM offered it as a factory option I think on the turbo buick. it was called a power injection button or something cheesy like that.

 

i think im gonna order the snowperformance setup stage 2