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AlexDphoto 05-15-2010 04:28 PM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 
is it possible for you to borrow someones tial wg just to see if you have a bad one?

zach1288 05-17-2010 01:10 PM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 
Does a 38mm Tial spring fit my 35mm Tial wastegate?
Also what is the difference between the big and small springs?

Eli2 05-17-2010 04:39 PM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 
I'm new to the turbo world, but if you have a 4psi spring in there then wouldnt full boost be 4psi?

azandford 05-17-2010 04:48 PM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 

Originally Posted by Eli2 (Post 42502606)
I'm new to the turbo world, but if you have a 4psi spring in there then wouldnt full boost be 4psi?

yep... unless he has a manual boost controller which im guessing he doesnt

also if your building 5psi with a 4psi spring and still building it after it already hit 5 your having some major boost creep issues whether its slow or not

Eli2 05-17-2010 04:57 PM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 
Thats what I was thinking, so actually hes not having problems building boost slowly since it hits 5psi pretty quick and after that its just boost creep.

zach1288 05-17-2010 05:02 PM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 
If you read my first post a mention I am tuned on 9psi. I have a mbc.

Eli2 05-17-2010 08:38 PM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 
I didn't notice it the way you worded it. Greddy 15g 9psi I was like what?

zach1288 05-29-2010 04:05 PM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 
I changed the spring to an 8.7psi spring and it builds boost alittle faster but not by much?

zach1288 05-31-2010 10:59 AM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 
bump

azandford 05-31-2010 01:53 PM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 

Originally Posted by zach1288 (Post 42628136)
bump

do a compression check on your motor.... low compression might be the cause of this

turbohatch96y7 05-31-2010 03:26 PM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 
check the flapper

zach1288 06-01-2010 08:14 AM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 

Originally Posted by azandford (Post 42629387)
do a compression check on your motor.... low compression might be the cause of this

The car built boost fine with the internal gate setup hours before I changed to the external gate. So I don't feel it has anything to do with compression.

zach1288 06-10-2010 11:56 AM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 
Any other suggestions?

turbohatch96y7 06-10-2010 12:37 PM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 
So ur not checking the flepper?

zach1288 06-10-2010 02:10 PM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 

Originally Posted by turbohatch96y7 (Post 42722346)
So ur not checking the flepper?

The internal wastegate flapper is welded shut perfectly as far as I can tell.

The external wastegate piston and seals are perfect as far as I can tell.

viper_boy403 06-10-2010 06:46 PM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 

Originally Posted by zach1288 (Post 42502788)
If you read my first post a mention I am tuned on 9psi. I have a mbc.


Originally Posted by zach1288 (Post 42616508)
I changed the spring to an 8.7psi spring and it builds boost alittle faster but not by much?

Ok let me get this straight here...

You had a 4lb spring before. It built 4lbs quickly then slowly increased after that. Like mentioned before, it sounds like boost creep

You added an 8.7psi spring. Does it now build 8.7psi then continue to creep after that? It just sounds like your MBC doesnt work properly. I really dont see the confusion here. You had a 4psi spring and it built 4psi...exactly what is supposed to happen (without an MBC), then it was just boost creep after that.

Get another MBC and see if that helps, or just run off the 8.7psi spring without the MBC

hateshino 06-11-2010 04:04 AM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 
couldnt youhave just run a boost controller to the internal WG and up the boost that way rather than get an external and welt the internal one?

turbohatch96y7 06-11-2010 07:54 AM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 

Originally Posted by zach1288 (Post 42723239)
The internal wastegate flapper is welded shut perfectly as far as I can tell.

The external wastegate piston and seals are perfect as far as I can tell.

Okay well first to check the wategate you have to put some pressure in there and see if it leaks..
Now a run down of slow building boost could be.
A bad blow off valve
Cracked exhaust housing
Boost leak in charge pipes

zach1288 06-12-2010 12:42 PM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 

Originally Posted by viper_boy403 (Post 42725956)
Ok let me get this straight here...

You had a 4lb spring before. It built 4lbs quickly then slowly increased after that. Like mentioned before, it sounds like boost creep

You added an 8.7psi spring. Does it now build 8.7psi then continue to creep after that? It just sounds like your MBC doesnt work properly. I really dont see the confusion here. You had a 4psi spring and it built 4psi...exactly what is supposed to happen (without an MBC), then it was just boost creep after that.

Get another MBC and see if that helps, or just run off the 8.7psi spring without the MBC

I am currently running off the 8.7psi spring. No MBC.
It boosts quickly to 4-5psi then slowly builds to 9psi, but never goes over 9psi.

zach1288 06-12-2010 12:43 PM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 

Originally Posted by turbohatch96y7 (Post 42730109)
Okay well first to check the wategate you have to put some pressure in there and see if it leaks..
Now a run down of slow building boost could be.
A bad blow off valve
Cracked exhaust housing
Boost leak in charge pipes

How do I check the blow off valve?
If the exhaust housing was cracked wouldn't I hear it?
I already pressured tested the whole system, no leaks.

turbohatch96y7 06-12-2010 04:01 PM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 
not really i seen some of those 14b turbos and i always see cracks on the inside and outside very small but still there..if you already pressure tested all the piping then i guess your bov is okay..

zach1288 06-26-2010 10:37 AM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 
Is there a way to test for leaks from the turbo/exhaust manifold?

zach1288 07-08-2010 12:23 PM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 
Is there a way to test for leaks from the turbo/exhaust manifold???

AlexDphoto 07-08-2010 12:56 PM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 
are you reusing a gasket? replace the gasket and just make sure everything is nice and tight.

cruizinmax 07-08-2010 02:04 PM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 

Originally Posted by per4mance (Post 42473470)
did you install the fire ring on the wastegate?



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