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zach1288 05-13-2010 01:12 AM

Slow building boost after external wg install.
 
I installed an external wastegate and when I WOT the car it sticks at 5psi for a long time then builds boost very slow. I removed the vacuum source to the Tial and it built boost very fast but of course hit boost cut. What would be causing this?

My setup:
D16y7
Greddy 15g 9psi
Tial 35mm
TurboXS MBC

zach1288 05-13-2010 08:09 AM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 
bump

viper_boy403 05-13-2010 08:51 AM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 
Where do you have the line for the wastegate getting its boost signal from?

zach1288 05-13-2010 08:55 AM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 

Originally Posted by viper_boy403 (Post 42464129)
Where do you have the line for the wastegate getting its boost signal from?

Vacuum box on the firewall. The box gets it's vacuum from the big hose that goes from the intake manifold to the brake booster.

89efhatch 05-13-2010 09:00 AM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 
Can you move the boost signal line closer to the wastegate? Like directly off the turbo housing?

Mike

zach1288 05-13-2010 09:06 AM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 

Originally Posted by 89efhatch (Post 42464219)
Can you move the boost signal line closer to the wastegate? Like directly off the turbo housing?

Mike

Yes, I will try this. Why would this do anything different?

89efhatch 05-13-2010 09:19 AM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 
Shortest possible line to the wastegate seems to work best. The boost signal off the compressor housing is right there and accurate.

Mike

turbohatch96y7 05-13-2010 12:42 PM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 
It sounds like the waste gate isnt closed all the way. Or theres a leak.check to see if the wastegate is leaking or take off ur dump tube and see if its closed all the way

zach1288 05-13-2010 12:56 PM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 

Originally Posted by 89efhatch (Post 42464411)
Shortest possible line to the wastegate seems to work best. The boost signal off the compressor housing is right there and accurate.

Mike


I changed the vac source to the compressor housing and it did not change anything. It must be a boost leak somewhere.

turbohatch96y7 05-13-2010 03:08 PM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 
How can there be a boost leak if when u take the vac line off it hits ur boost cut? Check the waste gate

turbohatch96y7 05-13-2010 03:10 PM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 
Or maybe ur exhaust housing is cracked. Did ur turbo have a flapper before?

Honda Bull 05-13-2010 03:56 PM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 
Was the TiAL wastegate new? Even if it was, did you even bother inspecting it internally to make sure the valve, diaphram, etc. are in fine working condition?

The excess vacuum line from back at the manifold to the wastegate has the potential to slow spool down a bit, but not how you describe, and it will account for any boost that is lost between the compressor housing back to the throttle body. Running the line from the compressor housing, the wastegate will still see 9 psi, but that doesn't always mean that's what is present in the intake manifold. Just food for thought for you. :)

90blackcrx 05-13-2010 03:59 PM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 
Do a boost leak on the car

zach1288 05-13-2010 04:38 PM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 

Originally Posted by turbohatch96y7 (Post 42467936)
Or maybe ur exhaust housing is cracked. Did ur turbo have a flapper before?

Yes, my tuner weld it shut.

zach1288 05-13-2010 04:39 PM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 

Originally Posted by Honda Bull (Post 42468408)
Was the TiAL wastegate new? Even if it was, did you even bother inspecting it internally to make sure the valve, diaphram, etc. are in fine working condition?

The excess vacuum line from back at the manifold to the wastegate has the potential to slow spool down a bit, but not how you describe, and it will account for any boost that is lost between the compressor housing back to the throttle body. Running the line from the compressor housing, the wastegate will still see 9 psi, but that doesn't always mean that's what is present in the intake manifold. Just food for thought for you. :)

Tial was used. Yes, my tuner and I took it apart and inspected it.

turbohatch96y7 05-13-2010 10:20 PM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 
I would take it apart and recheck it..

per4mance 05-14-2010 05:12 AM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 
did you install the fire ring on the wastegate?

Blaze45 05-14-2010 08:21 AM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 
Have you changed your downpipe since you installed the external WG? I installed my turbo setup and I didn't run a downpipe and it took forever to build boost. Once I had one fabricated it hit the desired boost level much faster. Make sure that you have a properly sealed downpipe.

Good luck,

Blaze

tofast4uh22 05-14-2010 10:51 AM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 
what spring is in the wastegate? it kind of sounds like it has a 5psi spring in it and then the additional boost that starts coming slowly might just be boost creep.

lsvtechatch92 05-14-2010 11:14 AM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 

Originally Posted by tofast4uh22 (Post 42476235)
what spring is in the wastegate? it kind of sounds like it has a 5psi spring in it and then the additional boost that starts coming slowly might just be boost creep.

thats what it is i bet... my car spooled really fast with a 14lb spring... i put a 7.5 psi spring in it and it spools slower b/c it opens up quicker

zach1288 05-14-2010 12:05 PM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 
It is a 4psi spring. Should i get an 8psi spring?

zach1288 05-14-2010 04:37 PM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 
Bump

zach1288 05-15-2010 10:50 AM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 
It is a 4psi spring. Should i get an 8psi spring?

98exn20 05-15-2010 01:53 PM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 
yes. but only if that is the lowest target boost that you will want to see.

zach1288 05-15-2010 04:01 PM

Re: Slow building boost after external wg install.
 

Originally Posted by 98exn20 (Post 42485272)
yes. but only if that is the lowest target boost that you will want to see.

Thanks you.


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