OK, so it's not your Daddy's Olds, but it IS a daily driver. This 1994 Civic CX hatch rolls around the streets with a certain kind of attitude hidden only by it's 'Vision corners', 'Spoon wheel' knock-offs, and baby seat... Aside from those minor appearance mods, this one is all about the primal urge for power.

Forget what I have said.. you decide:

 

ok, graph looks great! Let me ask you, what size turbo, what boost level, pump gas or what, 2.0 I assume.

 

Hehe.. 1.8L actually, at 19.5psi relative (16.9psi on the Hondata). Sunoco 112. Keep guessing on the turbo.

Good talking to you again Vapor.

 

that turbo looks huge judging by the torque line. i can't even imagine that motor in a civic hatch...talk about sleeper

 

Nice plot. Real nice plot.

Mit

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[Modified by FB in SA, 4:14 AM 5/5/2002]


[Modified by FB in SA, 1:01 PM 5/5/2002]

 

Or how about a twin turbo 302 (Chev)?? From a torque/HP/RPM standpoint it would almost feel like home to us Honda guys. Except for the RWD thing...

 

I am not familiar with any 302 chevy motor (unfortunately my Olds has a GM 307 in it right now. The two Lt-1's in my garage are itching to get dropped, though). As much as I love hondas, there is no comparisons to a huge american motor putting you well into the back of the seat. If you know what I mean...

Mit

 

Chevy 302: 327 block with 283 crank... Think B20 block with B16 crank and appropriate rods/pistons. Big bore with short stroke and long rods. High RPM power.

Isn't the 307 the "Wildcat" engine?


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I don't know about "wildcat", but I do know that GM threw the 307 in anything that needed a V8 for about 8-10 years. Overall my wagon is a piece of ****, but it still has 250000+ miles on it, going strong. But boy does it smoke these days

What did chevy put a 283 in? That sounds like a ford motor... Is that the original Z-28 motor that was mega-underrated??

Mit

 

The 283 is the big brother of the 265 and forerunner of the 327. The first 283's were made in the early 50's. The crappy *** 305 was the motor that GM slapped into everything. People are building the crap of them now but back in the 80's you were guaranteed to lose if you tried racing with a 305. Chevy made 302's the mid to late 60's for the Trans AM race series so they could compete with the high revving Ford 302 and Pontiac 301. These three engines were nothing like the production models. All three could rev to 9k+ rpm and made very little hp below 5k rpm.

I'm a bigblock man myself. Ford 427SOHC or 428SCJ, Pontiac 455 SD, Chevy LS7 454, and of course the Mopar 426 Hemi. Damn, I miss the sound of V-8's with lumpy cams, noisy gear drives and live rear axles.

 

back to the current topic.............

DAYUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!

awesome numbers

got any pics?
any times 1/4?

 

drool!! Awesome numbers.

 

my first car was a hand me down 1979 olds delta 88 with a pontiac 301 with auto tranny. i guess they ran out of motors for a short while and 'borrowed' some. man that thing was a DOG. i swear it was no faster than a stock civic dx auto. if that thing had given me any taste of V8 power, i would never have gone honda.

a friend took the same kinda car, dropped a 455 in it and it wasn't fast either. it just ate rear ends and u-joints. i guess it was fast when its drivetrain was in 1 piece.

nice dyno, btw - i'll take a guess - T-66 turbo (probly too big)

 

nope, it's smaller than a T66. A T66 can make power way beyond 8k rpm on a 1.8 liter

 

Nice, Mark. What pistons/compression ratio?

Sonny

 

T60 Super G(?), I think that's what its called?

 

I believe I nut myself... I would have said t66 but apparently not

 

 

 

is it that cool "tornado" system that you put in your intake that also gives you better gas mileage? i knew i shoulda got one instead of turbo...

 

good to see you again mark...let me guess, a 60-1 or 62-1....with a hytech manifold like yours?

I would love to make that much with my motor....what computer you running? compression?

are you the mastermind behind the tuning? I might have to tow my car down there for you to play with...any objections?

 

my guess is a strait T4, 60-1.. dyno looks great.

 

Your a bastard! enough already, POST YOUR SETUP!!

 

is this one of your cars or a customer's?

 

Here is the setup:

Stock sleeve B18C block,
Stock crank,
Crower rods,
Endyn 81.5mm FI pistons,
Stock B16A head (SiR-II),
Stock B16A camshafts,
Stock B16A intake manifold and TB,
Stock fuel rail, FP regulator, and supply pipes,
MSD 2225 high pressure pump (inline)
T3/04 61,
Hondata ECU (stage 3B),
MSD 6BTM w/Blaster coil,
Revhard manifold,
TiAl wastegate & BOV,
Old Drag intercooler,
All stock otherwise.

We did not take the time to CC the head or cylinders with this one, so the CR is estimated on the low side of the RW specs (@9.2:1). It was a quick and low budget upgrade to an already turbocharged car. Since I already had my old block available (with standard bore and Crower rods), all he needed to purchase was the Rollerwaves, Hondata, injectors & resistor pack, B16 head, bearings, valve grind kit, and some machine work.

The tuning credit goes to my lead technician. It looks like I taught him well. We may be offering a variant of this program to other Hondata users soon.

As far as your setup goes (Paul), I have no problem with the idea of tuning your car here. I'll post some charts of my car in the near future for you to drool at. that way, you can see what we are capable of with the Haltech systems too.


[Modified by B20C5 Turbo, 10:18 AM 5/6/2002]