Well I'm getting ready to build my type R for boost. I was looking into sleeving my block and it seemed pretty pricey especially since everyone is saying I won't need sleeves for my HP goals (350-400) daily driven J-spec type r. I plan on doing rod/piston combo and supporting fuel mods. My friend was telling me that some people in the states are running double block guards and it was working pretty well for them. I don't know if this subject has been covered I tried searching and came up with nothing. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

 

i drove my type r turbo for 2 years at 340whp, if you want peice of mind just put rods and pistons.

 

Your friend is right, you don't need a block guard for your power goals. You should really invest in a good tuner and you'll be set.

 

My problem now is finding a honda tuner on a small island south of japan where there is absolutely no Honda scene.

 

that's when you learn how to do things yourself. lots of reading

 

Oh the irony. JDM w/o the JDM...did Californian kids eat up all the remaining parts or what?

The problem with no good tuning availible - not much will really help that situation. Even forged pistons will go south if your motor detonates frequently, or has too aggressive timing. The aftermarket sleeves will just keep the block itself from needing a replacement. If you think even triple block guards would save stock sleeves from poor tuning, you'd be mistaken.

 

omg i think i pee'ed on my self. best quote of the day. can i put that in my sig?

 

I wasn't saying I was gonna due double block guard to make up for a tune. I will have the car tuned it just I have to figure out how I'm gonna get it tuned right now my best bet is to have it ship to mainland japan and have it tuned there.

 

well ether way double block guard will not help in anyway

 

I was making this thread because I wanted input or to see if someone has ever used double block guards. This car is my daily driver so I wanted it be be Reliable.

 

thats why I'm telling you a double block guard will not make it any more reliable if you want reliable get a good tune that is the only way

 

Double block guard? Even 1 block guard is a waste of time in my opinion.

 

Look into block posting, Works good with my setup.

Really with the power goals you have you just need a good tune to be reliable, like already said above.

Also, look into a Wideband. It will be your best friend for a DD.

 

Thanks guys for all the advice. Now all my time can go into finding a good tuner in mainland japan.

 

Whats the population where you live? there may not be a big honda scene, but Im sure someone on that island knows how to tune cars reliably. Even if you have to pay threw the nose it will still be cheaper than shipping a car. Or ....Find a dyno you can rent and fly the tuner to you, its still cheaper than shipping a car

 

Sweet, after you do that go get a blockguard, they work! IMO

 

I live very close to mainland and shipping is pretty cheap $300 so it's no big deal. Here on this island the whole big craze is Drifting. I found a guy that work for apexi through a Japanese friend and he know hondata pretty well so I'm think of shipping the car off to him.
Toatal cost would be a little over $900 for shipping and the tune.

 

posting is no different then a block guard and is more a wast of time and money because you now drill threw your block to put post and i would never suggest that it is old school and not done anymore for a reason

 

we make them and still say there no good. all it will do is if you crack a sleeve it will keep you from blowing the sleeve out so bad it cant be resleeved and your block guard is installed wrong they should always sit 1/4 inch or so below the deck and never flush like in the picture

 

Anyway, thats a race engineering block guard its installed so that it gives the tightest fit on the thrust side of the cylinder and how the hell can you tell how deep that thing is in the block from that picture. Btw I had problems with "shaking" the cylinder and loosing my head gasket seal(the water jacket was getting pressurized) after I installed that 100$ part wich is worth every penny, the problem stoppped.
Also I would expect a sleeve manufacturer to poo poo a block guard but not their own, so even you agree your stuff is S%$T huh? bwahahah. PM your advice next time

 

most that have been around as long as i have relies block guards don't do much for you and really are not worth installing in most cases. has nothing to do with us sleeving blocks just facts. yeah haha your funny i never said our stuff was no good i said i don't care for block guards and double block guards is a wast of time and that is one of a line of racing products we make not out hole line. i can tell from the pic that you have it flush with the deck or at least almost flush and i figured i would tell you how to install it the right way. next time why don't you take your own advice and pm your insult I'm just trying to give good advice like most the others that have been around in this thread saying block guard is not needed

 

Well put GE, block guards are a waste period. stock honda blocks can take alot of abuse and will handle 500+whp without any issues.

oring the cylinders would also help that issue you had transpoquick. I personally never had an issue with stock sleeves and i run high compression 16 psi 93 octane on an sc63 turbo stroked gsr

 

I never believed in block guards. What are block guards used for? To help hold the cylinder in place from extreme pressures, etc?
A block guard is not solid and doesnt necessarily HOLD the cylinders equally. For one, it actually takes up space up at the top where water should be cooling the cylinders. Another thing is that if there is detonation anything like that. A block guard wouldnt do anything to protect the cylinder wall itself. That stock cyl wall is going to crack regardless if there is a block guard or not.
I've seen some people bring in block guards that arent even equally machined. Some parts of the thing is snug against the cylinder wall and the other areas arent even touching. So hows that suppose to hold the cylinder walls well.
Thats why if youre not in the level of needing Iron Ductile Sleeves, I would just use a stock block with no block guard. If you feel youre at a level where you have to strengten your block, its probably at a HP level where you need to sleeve anyways.

Not going against anyone here, just stating my opinion. Everyones entitled to their own.

 

STR's were well engineered and the only ones I have ever seen with thought behind them. The proper installation of a open deck girdle would be a interference PF of at least .0005", recessed from the deck face and machine the bores accordingly....Oh yes I will add the IMO for argument sake.

 

I agree with what most have stated. Block guards have not really been proven to do a great deal. With the power that can be made w/o a block guard and with stock sleeves why even use a block guard? If you want crazy power you will need to sleeve it anyway. Most install the block guards incorrectly like the guy above (to close to the sealing surface/cooling surface) and do not get the block honed AFTER installation which causes even more problems than the block guard solved. Don't waste your time. You will be good with a competant tuner.

Wow, 07' and with a whopping 125 posts which I would normally not pay attention to but with you it shows........

You're lucky this is the "new honda-tech" or you woulda been burnt worse than a hooker with a bad outbreak by numerous regulars on here. You have taken what golden eagle stated personally because you are insecure/nescient. If you understood what he meant you would have just kept your mouth shut and taken it with a grain but you get feelings so you degrade him and his company. Are you really 35? I have my doubts. A modicum of wisdom usually comes with 35 years of life. Next time just be quiet like a good little boy and you might learn something. This country has PLENTY of loud mouthed ignorant punks. Be a rebel, don't conform.

BTW, Helen Keller from 5 ft away could tell that block guard is almost flush with the seating surface..........you MIGHT have 1/8" of clearance and that would be a liberal estimate on my part.