I'm shopping around for a Turbo and I am looking for a T3/T4 57 trim. Borg Warner and Garrett both have basically the same turbo but the Borg Warner can be had for a little over a hundred less. I know Garrett has a great reputation but does anyone have any feedback on the Borg Warner Turbos? I know a lot of companies use them for stock turbos on a wide range of applications so they must be pretty reliable but I was hoping someone had some first hand knowledge. I did a search and didn't come up with anything...

 

You can't gop wrong with either one. Borg made clones of the Garrett 57trim so they are pretty much the same.

 

Just curious if you know what percentage of the parts are actually made in the USA, North America (Mexico? Canada?), or China?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Whatever &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm shopping around for a Turbo and I am looking for a T3/T4 57 trim. Borg Warner and Garrett both have basically the same turbo but the Borg Warner can be had for a little over a hundred less. I know Garrett has a great reputation but does anyone have any feedback on the Borg Warner Turbos? I know a lot of companies use them for stock turbos on a wide range of applications so they must be pretty reliable but I was hoping someone had some first hand knowledge. I did a search and didn't come up with anything...</TD></TR></TABLE>

The Borg-Warner 57 trim units typically come with a slightly larger exhaust wheel than the Garrett model, mainly for higher displacement engines with low rpm limits and torque as its main goal, and not power.

Since this is mainly for you Honda application, I prefer the garrett unit for a 57 trim specifically. For the overall better performer, I'd use the Extended tip S256 over the Garrett or BW 57 trims.

 

Found the S256 and found a few write ups on them for Evo's and DSM's. Now I'm looking at BB Garrett Turbos and these S200 series Borg Warner's and I'm even more confused as to what to buy... I'm running a Bone stock JDM B18B with ARP head studs and a Cometic head gasket. Might add some cams and a intake manifold and throttle body down the road. Those are my only other plans for the car.




Modified by Whatever at 9:28 PM 8/20/2008

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Whatever &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Found the S256 and found a few write ups on them for Evo's and DSM's. Now I'm looking at BB Garrett Turbos and these S200 series Borg Warner's and I'm even more confused as to what to buy... I'm running a Bone stock JDM B18B with ARP head studs and a Cometic head gasket. Might add some cams and a intake manifold and throttle body down the road. Those are my only other plans for the car.
Modified by Whatever at 9:28 PM 8/20/2008</TD></TR></TABLE>

You're confusing yourself only because you're trying to digest all the information based upon the "best turbo". The truth is there is no such thing as the best turbo overall, there is "best for YOU" that you should focus on.

I have found that for many B18B guys who are looking at about 250whp or so as their first setup, that a Ball-bearing turbo is not at ALL necessary, especially if this is your first turbo build ever. The reason why they remain a big option is because the smaller GT-R series turbos have the smaller wheel sizes that would be best for the B18B powerplant. If you look a little harder, you'll see that it is not always necessary to get those particular models.

Throwing Intakes and cams are the LAST thing you need to ever worry about. By the time those items have become a factor, you've either decided to change the ENTIRE engine completely (with new internals and whatnot), or decided to have a particular purpose for the car. IF this is simply a street/strip Daily driver, get the IM and cams out of your proposed list. Spend the money towards ensuring that your tune and setup are reliable. Even the headgasket and studs aren't needed if the motor is sound.

With that said, it looks like you need something a bit smaller, still in the GT series, but not the ball-bearing class (the "R" in GT-R). The GT3271 and T3/T04E "50 trim", using a smaller exhaust wheel from either Garrett or Borg-Warner would work a lot better for the B18B, due to the cylinder head's design. There's no need for the S256 or a ball-bearing cartridge.

What is your budget? What is the purpose of the car? what are you looking to do with this eventually? Ask these questions to yourself, and the professionals first before just blindly purchasing parts. You'd be suprised on how the budget needs to focus on some thing rather than others.

 

I have a lot to learn... Like I said in the other thread I am trying to learn how to read compressor maps so I can find the turbo that would suit me the best. I've learned a lot, but still have a long ways to go...

Anyway, this will be a street car more than anything else. Will very rarely see the strip and maybe will see a road course 1-2 times a year. I'd like to make just north of 300HP without having a ton of lag. I already have the head gasket and studs so I might as well use them.

As far as budget goes, I don't really have one... First and foremost I want it to be reliable so I know I can't cheap out with an ebay manifold and turbo...

 

I can vouch for the 50 trim suggestion that the Shodan stated. I have one of the Borg Warner units in the 50 trim, and I love it! That turbo will net you that 300 whp easily without moving out of its efficiency range, and the T04"B" comp. housing is known for its increased performance, and is easy on blocks when using cast iron or log manifolds, as far as block notching.

I have a bone stock JDM B18B as well (save for ARP headstuds), and I hit full boost (12 psi) at 4k, and the .55 a/r turbine housing and stage III exh. wheel give the car a strong responsive top-end all the way to redline. Great turbo for your goals, IMO, and easy on the wallet, too.


Modified by Silva Bullit DC4 at 3:20 PM 8/21/2008

 

I was originally looking at the T04B V trim from Boostfed which is only $535 shipped.
T04b Vtrim
This unit flows 48lbs a minute
54.20mm inducer
67.60mm exducer

 

that would be a good option

or a gt3271 since its a newer design it may be a little better

shodan opinion and price of a gt3271? any dynos of one

shodan could you give me some input in BW thread pretty please

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Whatever &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was originally looking at the T04B V trim from Boostfed which is only $535 shipped.
T04b Vtrim
This unit flows 48lbs a minute
54.20mm inducer
67.60mm exducer</TD></TR></TABLE>

Be very wary of this unit. The V-trim has a huge stage 5 exh. wheel, which is gonna give you a ton of lag. If you wanna keep a respectable powerband, I wouldnt do it if I were you. That wheel is just too big for a stock 1.8 liter engine and for your goals, IMO.

 

Heh. I've got threads from the 3 years ago in the archives. I set you up with a few links shortly. What area did you want to discuss SPECIFICALLY?

 

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Be very wary of this unit. The V-trim has a huge stage 5 exh. wheel, which is gonna give you a ton of lag. If you wanna keep a respectable powerband, I wouldnt do it if I were you. That wheel is just too big for a stock 1.8 liter engine and for your goals, IMO.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Here is what I was told via email from Boostfed when I inquired about a turbo and told them the same thing that I have said in this thread. 300HP, stock motor, good spool time...

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The T04B V trim would work very well for you, spool great and make about 400whp max, also the T04E 57 trim will work and make more power but lag maybe 500rpm or so over the V Trim.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Your saying the V trim has a lot of lag and they were saying it spools great. I don't know if there is more than one V trim or not. What I do know is it sounds like whatever Turbo you have is what I am looking for.

 

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Be very wary of this unit. The V-trim has a huge stage 5 exh. wheel, which is gonna give you a ton of lag. If you wanna keep a respectable powerband, I wouldnt do it if I were you. That wheel is just too big for a stock 1.8 liter engine and for your goals, IMO.</TD></TR></TABLE>

hmm, see, I disagree. With the appropriate sized housing, a turbo with a stage 5 wheel could be pretty effective.....such as a 60-1 with a .48 hot side housing (which I'll be using on my s2000, and was going to use on my gsr). It'll maintain top end flow pretty well.

 

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hmm, see, I disagree. With the appropriate sized housing, a turbo with a stage 5 wheel could be pretty effective.....such as a 60-1 with a .48 hot side housing (which I'll be using on my s2000, and was going to use on my gsr). It'll maintain top end flow pretty well.</TD></TR></TABLE>

He's not looking for only top-end flow, he's looking for a usable powerband for his LS. Which that particular unit may not give him.

To the OP, PM the Shodan on that turbo.

 

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He's not looking for only top-end flow, he's looking for a usable powerband for his LS. Which that particular unit may not give him.

To the OP, PM the Shodan on that turbo.</TD></TR></TABLE>

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Piece together something that is decent but focus on reliability and tuning. If you don't all of your effort and money will go down the drain. Plus, you can get a feel for what you really want and then sell your halfway decent kit for a Full Race kit or something like that granted you'll build the motor.

You can always consider the SC61 (a personal favorite), a turbo that will give you plenty of top end for now and more importantly, later.

 

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You can always consider the SC61 (a personal favorite), a turbo that will give you plenty of top end for now and more importantly, later. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Meanwhile the car won't reach full pressure until over 4800rpms with 2000rpms left for anything. This is why he can increase boost in smaller applications later, instead of having a MONSTROSITY for now.

 

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Actually, i'd suggest the BW S372R at 3psi...

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Meanwhile the car won't reach full pressure until over 4800rpms with 2000rpms left for anything. This is why he can increase boost in smaller applications later, instead of having a MONSTROSITY for now.</TD></TR></TABLE>

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A GT32 with a divided housing can be had for under $800 (journal bearing), and is basicly the cheapest 400whp divided option you will find. The savings over a GT-BB or bigger BW turbo will let you get a better divided manifold. Divided helps with topend power, as well as lowend spool.

 

I bought the 50 trim Borg Warner that was mentioned earlier from The Shodan. Hopefully I can give a report on it sooner rather than later.