boost and the zex 59300 cam
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ELSpool »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hey Brian, hows does the cam sound? I read/heard it makes some noises, and it's a loud cam, but not sure if it was improper installs? Can't wait to see what your new set-up will make!</TD></TR></TABLE>
Little bit off subject (sorry)...but cool so i thought id post.
With all the talk about valve train sounds and things..i thought i post up the sound clip of my all motor d15/vtec sohc i used to have.
http://liam821.com/sound/AllMotor-D15-vtec.mp3
It had a JG 305 duration cam with a huge amount of lift. Very cool sounding.
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Little bit off subject (sorry)...but cool so i thought id post.
With all the talk about valve train sounds and things..i thought i post up the sound clip of my all motor d15/vtec sohc i used to have.
http://liam821.com/sound/AllMotor-D15-vtec.mp3
It had a JG 305 duration cam with a huge amount of lift. Very cool sounding.
liam
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Re: boost and the zex 59300 cam (D-Man)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by D-Man »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">three things that come to mind right away are
1..Crane products have been used in many OEM applications...never heard of that from comp cams
2..I've heard of a Zex Cam or two breaking in half over the years(heard the same about crowers too) but who knows,something else couldve been wrong like the cam cups being overtorque...
3...kinda relates to #2,I believe crane has a better billet core to start with.
Modified by D-Man at 2:02 AM 3/14/2004</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thanks for your thoughts, I appreciate it!
ZEX Man
1..Crane products have been used in many OEM applications...never heard of that from comp cams
2..I've heard of a Zex Cam or two breaking in half over the years(heard the same about crowers too) but who knows,something else couldve been wrong like the cam cups being overtorque...
3...kinda relates to #2,I believe crane has a better billet core to start with.
Modified by D-Man at 2:02 AM 3/14/2004</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thanks for your thoughts, I appreciate it!
ZEX Man
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2000vsm »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Can you tell me why my engine got destroyed due to the 59300 cam? What happened was the retainer or whatever the clip thing on one of the intake values broke off and the valve just dropped into the cylinder hitting pistons and locking the engine up and cracking head and pistons etc.
this is about 6 months or so after the cam was put in..... why did it happen?
also i notice that my valve rocker pads, the ones that contact the actual camshaft, there was a deep impression, like it's been worn in from the zex cam, about at least 1mm deep. on the stock cam, there was no dent or impression into the rocker pads at all...
explain this!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>
I am a little confused? In the first sentence, you said the cam caused your engine to blow up, but in the second sentence, you said that it was a broken retainer. I have no idea why your retainer broke, but blaming the cam is like blaming a turbo kit for a set of pistons getting melted. Any time you put a performance part in an engine, you need to check clearances. When a valvetrain part breaks in a street application, 99% of the time it is a clearance issue that the installer did not check after the new cam was installed. With your question on the wearing of your rocker pads, what procedure did you use to break-in the cam, before you started driving? Also, what cam break-in lube did you use? I'm not trying to be a hard ***, but true part failures from any performance company are fairly rare......they do happen, but 90% of the time it is the fault of an inexperienced installer.
Thanks,
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Can you tell me why my engine got destroyed due to the 59300 cam? What happened was the retainer or whatever the clip thing on one of the intake values broke off and the valve just dropped into the cylinder hitting pistons and locking the engine up and cracking head and pistons etc.
this is about 6 months or so after the cam was put in..... why did it happen?
also i notice that my valve rocker pads, the ones that contact the actual camshaft, there was a deep impression, like it's been worn in from the zex cam, about at least 1mm deep. on the stock cam, there was no dent or impression into the rocker pads at all...
explain this!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>
I am a little confused? In the first sentence, you said the cam caused your engine to blow up, but in the second sentence, you said that it was a broken retainer. I have no idea why your retainer broke, but blaming the cam is like blaming a turbo kit for a set of pistons getting melted. Any time you put a performance part in an engine, you need to check clearances. When a valvetrain part breaks in a street application, 99% of the time it is a clearance issue that the installer did not check after the new cam was installed. With your question on the wearing of your rocker pads, what procedure did you use to break-in the cam, before you started driving? Also, what cam break-in lube did you use? I'm not trying to be a hard ***, but true part failures from any performance company are fairly rare......they do happen, but 90% of the time it is the fault of an inexperienced installer.
Thanks,
ZEX Man
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Re: (ELSpool)
you need to lube it up with the provided cam break in lube and then once its installed run your motor at 2k rpms for about 30 minutes to break it in. Thats what I did anyways.
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Re: boost and the zex 59300 cam (ZEX Man)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ZEX Man »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Thanks for your thoughts, I appreciate it!
ZEX Man</TD></TR></TABLE>
anytime
...Now I got a question for you Zex.Where does Comp/Zex get its cores from for the 59300? Are they imported? I say this cause the price difference between a Crane and Zex is huge,its like $300 vs $600.I know Crane is USA cause it owns its steel billet camshaft supplier, Universal Camshaft Company in Muskegon, Michigan.I also know Comp has been buying imported stuff cause I bought a Zex Flywheel a couple years back and it was a repackaged Jun Flywheel.
Thanks for your thoughts, I appreciate it!
ZEX Man</TD></TR></TABLE>
anytime
...Now I got a question for you Zex.Where does Comp/Zex get its cores from for the 59300? Are they imported? I say this cause the price difference between a Crane and Zex is huge,its like $300 vs $600.I know Crane is USA cause it owns its steel billet camshaft supplier, Universal Camshaft Company in Muskegon, Michigan.I also know Comp has been buying imported stuff cause I bought a Zex Flywheel a couple years back and it was a repackaged Jun Flywheel.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2000vsm »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Can you tell me why my engine got destroyed due to the 59300 cam? What happened was the retainer or whatever the clip thing on one of the intake values broke off and the valve just dropped into the cylinder hitting pistons and locking the engine up and cracking head and pistons etc.
this is about 6 months or so after the cam was put in..... why did it happen?
also i notice that my valve rocker pads, the ones that contact the actual camshaft, there was a deep impression, like it's been worn in from the zex cam, about at least 1mm deep. on the stock cam, there was no dent or impression into the rocker pads at all...
explain this!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>
To me,it sounds like you had the valve springs installed at the wrong height.
Can you tell me why my engine got destroyed due to the 59300 cam? What happened was the retainer or whatever the clip thing on one of the intake values broke off and the valve just dropped into the cylinder hitting pistons and locking the engine up and cracking head and pistons etc.
this is about 6 months or so after the cam was put in..... why did it happen?
also i notice that my valve rocker pads, the ones that contact the actual camshaft, there was a deep impression, like it's been worn in from the zex cam, about at least 1mm deep. on the stock cam, there was no dent or impression into the rocker pads at all...
explain this!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>
To me,it sounds like you had the valve springs installed at the wrong height.
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Re: boost and the zex 59300 cam (D-Man)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by D-Man »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
anytime ...Now I got a question for you Zex.Where does Comp/Zex get its cores from for the 59300? Are they imported? I say this cause the price difference between a Crane and Zex is huge,its like $300 vs $600.I know Crane is USA cause it owns its steel billet camshaft supplier, Universal Camshaft Company in Muskegon, Michigan.I also know Comp has been buying imported stuff cause I bought a Zex Flywheel a couple years back and it was a repackaged Jun Flywheel.
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ZEX/Comp Cams cores are manufactured by Engine Power, up in Michigan. The first 2 years ZEX manufactured cams, Jun cores were used. After that, EP cores have been used ever since.
ZEX Man
anytime
...Now I got a question for you Zex.Where does Comp/Zex get its cores from for the 59300? Are they imported? I say this cause the price difference between a Crane and Zex is huge,its like $300 vs $600.I know Crane is USA cause it owns its steel billet camshaft supplier, Universal Camshaft Company in Muskegon, Michigan.I also know Comp has been buying imported stuff cause I bought a Zex Flywheel a couple years back and it was a repackaged Jun Flywheel.</TD></TR></TABLE>
ZEX/Comp Cams cores are manufactured by Engine Power, up in Michigan. The first 2 years ZEX manufactured cams, Jun cores were used. After that, EP cores have been used ever since.
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Re: boost and the zex 59300 cam (ZEX Man)
I have the ZEX 105300 and comp springs in my d16y8 (00 ex) and I have a lot of noise...
Sounds like it's very mechanical, clicking, kinda like the valves are out of adjustment or like there is no oil in the head, but it is lubing fine...
The valves were adjusted twice to insure proper clearance, and both times were set to factory spec.
I am told the noise is normal for my engine with this size of a cam, and springs...
Anyone else seeing this type of chatter?
Sounds like it's very mechanical, clicking, kinda like the valves are out of adjustment or like there is no oil in the head, but it is lubing fine...
The valves were adjusted twice to insure proper clearance, and both times were set to factory spec.
I am told the noise is normal for my engine with this size of a cam, and springs...
Anyone else seeing this type of chatter?
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Re: boost and the zex 59300 cam (dimotorsports)
yes it is normal. So you got the actual stage 2 cam made for the y8? I had no idea they were out yet. I have the z6 59300 cam in my y8.
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Re: boost and the zex 59300 cam (SOHC_MShue)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SOHC_MShue »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yes it is normal. So you got the actual stage 2 cam made for the y8? I had no idea they were out yet. I have the z6 59300 cam in my y8.</TD></TR></TABLE>
They are out now. Mine should be in by the end of this week, maybe next Monday.
They are out now. Mine should be in by the end of this week, maybe next Monday.
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Re: boost and the zex 59300 cam (dimotorsports)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dimotorsports »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have the ZEX 105300 and comp springs in my d16y8 (00 ex) and I have a lot of noise...
Sounds like it's very mechanical, clicking, kinda like the valves are out of adjustment or like there is no oil in the head, but it is lubing fine...
The valves were adjusted twice to insure proper clearance, and both times were set to factory spec.
I am told the noise is normal for my engine with this size of a cam, and springs...
Anyone else seeing this type of chatter?</TD></TR></TABLE>
my crower 2/ springs & ti retainers sound like a sewing machine...no additional noise. Granted, it took some trial and error with lash adjustment, but...nonetheless, i am satisfied.
Sounds like it's very mechanical, clicking, kinda like the valves are out of adjustment or like there is no oil in the head, but it is lubing fine...
The valves were adjusted twice to insure proper clearance, and both times were set to factory spec.
I am told the noise is normal for my engine with this size of a cam, and springs...
Anyone else seeing this type of chatter?</TD></TR></TABLE>
my crower 2/ springs & ti retainers sound like a sewing machine...no additional noise. Granted, it took some trial and error with lash adjustment, but...nonetheless, i am satisfied.
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Re: boost and the zex 59300 cam (dimotorsports)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dimotorsports »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have the ZEX 105300 and comp springs in my d16y8 (00 ex) and I have a lot of noise...
Sounds like it's very mechanical, clicking, kinda like the valves are out of adjustment or like there is no oil in the head, but it is lubing fine...
The valves were adjusted twice to insure proper clearance, and both times were set to factory spec.
I am told the noise is normal for my engine with this size of a cam, and springs...
Anyone else seeing this type of chatter?</TD></TR></TABLE>
The fatory specs ate worthless with the zex cam. You have to adjust the valves by "ear".
Sounds like it's very mechanical, clicking, kinda like the valves are out of adjustment or like there is no oil in the head, but it is lubing fine...
The valves were adjusted twice to insure proper clearance, and both times were set to factory spec.
I am told the noise is normal for my engine with this size of a cam, and springs...
Anyone else seeing this type of chatter?</TD></TR></TABLE>
The fatory specs ate worthless with the zex cam. You have to adjust the valves by "ear".
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Re: boost and the zex 59300 cam (infinatenexus)
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The fatory specs ate worthless with the zex cam. You have to adjust the valves by "ear".</TD></TR></TABLE>
Zex says .007 and .009. Is this what you would recommend?
The fatory specs ate worthless with the zex cam. You have to adjust the valves by "ear".</TD></TR></TABLE>
Zex says .007 and .009. Is this what you would recommend?
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Re: boost and the zex 59300 cam (ladysman)
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Zex says .007 and .009. Is this what you would recommend?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Mine ended up being something like .006 and .007 to get them quite
Zex says .007 and .009. Is this what you would recommend?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Mine ended up being something like .006 and .007 to get them quite
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Re: boost and the zex 59300 cam (infinatenexus)
Thanks guys...
I'm gonna call Zex tomorrow and se what they recommend setting the valves to...
You guys rule...
I can always count on you for input and knowledge!
here's another question... a bit off the subject but I'll through it out there..
Anyone have a copy of the VECI label on the back of a 00 Civec EX for the D16Y8?
I need to adjust my ignition timing (retard 2 deg.) and am unsure what preliminary items need to be addressed before setting the degree...
I'm gonna call Zex tomorrow and se what they recommend setting the valves to...
You guys rule...
I can always count on you for input and knowledge!
here's another question... a bit off the subject but I'll through it out there..
Anyone have a copy of the VECI label on the back of a 00 Civec EX for the D16Y8?
I need to adjust my ignition timing (retard 2 deg.) and am unsure what preliminary items need to be addressed before setting the degree...
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Re: boost and the zex 59300 cam (dimotorsports)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dimotorsports »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thanks guys...
I'm gonna call Zex tomorrow and se what they recommend setting the valves to...
You guys rule...
I can always count on you for input and knowledge!
here's another question... a bit off the subject but I'll through it out there..
Anyone have a copy of the VECI label on the back of a 00 Civec EX for the D16Y8?
I need to adjust my ignition timing (retard 2 deg.) and am unsure what preliminary items need to be addressed before setting the degree...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Give us the details on what they say.
I'm gonna call Zex tomorrow and se what they recommend setting the valves to...
You guys rule...
I can always count on you for input and knowledge!
here's another question... a bit off the subject but I'll through it out there..
Anyone have a copy of the VECI label on the back of a 00 Civec EX for the D16Y8?
I need to adjust my ignition timing (retard 2 deg.) and am unsure what preliminary items need to be addressed before setting the degree...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Give us the details on what they say.
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Re: boost and the zex 59300 cam (dimotorsports)
what do you mean by preliminary items? Just set your cam to wherever you want it and then set your ignition timing to 14 degrees with a timing gun if you want it 2 degrees retarded.
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Re: boost and the zex 59300 cam (SOHC_MShue)
just to chime in... i got the same 105300 cam in for my y8 head. the head is at the machine shop now getting p&p'ed and the cam and such installed. hope it comes out ok. i'm thiking my stock cam locked up on me which sent the other head to hell 
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Re: boost and the zex 59300 cam (ladysman)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ladysman »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Give us the details on what they say.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Called Zex today...
On the Y8 cam the recommend the .007 and .009 clearances.
They mentioned they have people running .005 and .007, but are recommending it to their customers. They also mentioned it would be ok to use .006 and .008, for a possible quieter idle....
Hope that helps any of you out there with the same question.
Later.
Give us the details on what they say.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Called Zex today...
On the Y8 cam the recommend the .007 and .009 clearances.
They mentioned they have people running .005 and .007, but are recommending it to their customers. They also mentioned it would be ok to use .006 and .008, for a possible quieter idle....
Hope that helps any of you out there with the same question.
Later.
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Re: boost and the zex 59300 cam (CivicRyda2k)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CivicRyda2k »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">just to chime in... i got the same 105300 cam in for my y8 head. the head is at the machine shop now getting p&p'ed and the cam and such installed. hope it comes out ok. i'm thiking my stock cam locked up on me which sent the other head to hell </TD></TR></TABLE>
damn were you able to buy that new 105300 y8 cam back in december? I wish I had known about it back then when I had bought my 59300 for my y8...it sucks using the z6 cam. I have to advance my dizzy all the way just to get 16 degrees of ignition timing...for those of you with the y8 cam where do you have your cam timing set? When I had called about that y8 cam before they said they weren't gonna have it out to buy for a while.
</TD></TR></TABLE>damn were you able to buy that new 105300 y8 cam back in december? I wish I had known about it back then when I had bought my 59300 for my y8...it sucks using the z6 cam. I have to advance my dizzy all the way just to get 16 degrees of ignition timing...for those of you with the y8 cam where do you have your cam timing set? When I had called about that y8 cam before they said they weren't gonna have it out to buy for a while.