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Old Apr 20, 2009 | 03:34 PM
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b18 gsr motor stock bore, stock crank, Eagle rods CP 9:1 piston acl race bearings.
Head has supertech nitrade valves, springs, retainers and keepers and running on stock GSR cams.

Driving at about 15-20MPH boost set at 7 psi car bogs and shuts off. Tried to crank nada, kept cranking slower and slower and then nothing. Took the head off to find 3 valves in the number two cylinder and a hole in the piston all other valves and pistons perfect. Cylinder walls in number 2 fine also.

Any Idea as to what the heck went wrong here??













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Old Apr 20, 2009 | 03:46 PM
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interesting.......valve heads broke off? how do the retainers look?
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Old Apr 20, 2009 | 03:51 PM
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interesting.......valve heads broke off? how do the retainers look?
Right at the tip. Retainers look perfect, all of them.
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Old Apr 20, 2009 | 05:54 PM
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can you get a closer picture of cyl #3. around the intake valve relief. looks burnt off/chipped/missing?

possible piece of the piston broke off and cause the damage? how was it tuned? how many miles on the engine?
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Old Apr 20, 2009 | 06:00 PM
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hmmm might have been a bad head
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Old Apr 20, 2009 | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by non-VTEC
can you get a closer picture of cyl #3. around the intake valve relief. looks burnt off/chipped/missing?

possible piece of the piston broke off and cause the damage? how was it tuned? how many miles on the engine?

Will try to for you.

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hmmm might have been a bad head
Got the head pressure tested and looked at and it was said to be perfectly fine. That's the only reason I installed it.


motor has unknown mileage to be honest and it was un-tuned running at a said 7psi.
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Old Apr 20, 2009 | 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Adam West

motor has unknown mileage to be honest and it was un-tuned running at a said 7psi.
Most likely detonation killed your engine because it was not tuned. You live and learn, YOU MUST HAVE A TUNE, even if you are running 1psi or no psi, even NA engines will fail when not tuned.

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Old Apr 20, 2009 | 08:35 PM
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Caution: Don't eat popcorn while reading this topic. Danger's include: Spitting popcorn all over your keyboard, laughing so hard you fall off your chair and choking on the popcorn.
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 03:03 AM
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Untuned.....what did you expect to happen?
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 04:00 AM
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tune had nothing to do w/this... you bent a valve, it broke, it took out everything else w/it
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 05:02 AM
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Ouch........
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by JDogg
tune had nothing to do w/this... you bent a valve, it broke, it took out everything else w/it
Thank you! Tune had nothing to do with it. One of you valves broke or one of your valve cotters mysteriously popped out some how. This is assuming something weird didn't go on with your timing belt of cam gears causing your valves and piston to collide.
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by JDogg
tune had nothing to do w/this... you bent a valve, it broke, it took out everything else w/it

X2

could have floated a valve?


but do get a tune next time
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Adam West
Will try to for you.



Got the head pressure tested and looked at and it was said to be perfectly fine. That's the only reason I installed it.


motor has unknown mileage to be honest and it was un-tuned running at a said 7psi.

motor had 400 TUNED miles by previous owner. ;-)

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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 06:24 AM
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you are not the only one. hehe

it does happen once in a blue moon.

and i agree. Tune has nothing to do with this. this can happen even while cruising speed.
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by JDogg
tune had nothing to do w/this... you bent a valve, it broke, it took out everything else w/it

Wrong. Potential mechanical failures + untuned = havoc.

You can have a perfectly running motor, excellent compression, great pressure test results, but an untuned/bad tune will ultimately fail your motor. The ecu compensates for timing, air/fuel accordingly to rpm, and if the timing is off at any rpm it could lead to bending/breaking valve(s) and/or worse.
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 06:57 AM
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How can you say its not the tune when your running 7psi without one?
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 06:59 AM
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^^^Look at the other cylinders, do you see any sign of detonation? I think Jason is correct: broken valve.
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 07:02 AM
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the motor would have failed eventually b/c of the lack of a tune... however THIS particular failure had NOTHING to do with tune or not, it was plain and simple a mechanical failure. judging by the look of the pistons and other chambers i'd say the "tune" wasnt too bad either way.
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 08:51 AM
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X2 again
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 09:39 AM
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def looks like it bent/dropped a valve and thats what happens...

the tune would have nothing to do with a dropped/bent valve
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 09:58 AM
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that looks like what happen to my cousins N/A type r motor. I think it bent a valve also..
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 10:21 AM
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Are you sure those are CP Pistons? I was unaware they engraved their part numbers on the piston top, they look like Wiseco's to me.

Either way there are some serious carnage pics in here.
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by 99B16Si
Thank you! Tune had nothing to do with it. One of you valves broke or one of your valve cotters mysteriously popped out some how. This is assuming something weird didn't go on with your timing belt of cam gears causing your valves and piston to collide.
The motor timing was said to be fine. Owner was a little worried about the timing belt being too tight but he said it was on timing.

Originally Posted by keving85
X2

could have floated a valve?


but do get a tune next time
I would have expected to see carnage in atleast two cylinders. Not just 1 and the rest in perfect condition.

Originally Posted by JDogg
the motor would have failed eventually b/c of the lack of a tune... however THIS particular failure had NOTHING to do with tune or not, it was plain and simple a mechanical failure. judging by the look of the pistons and other chambers i'd say the "tune" wasnt too bad either way.

The turbo setup was just put on. Car was only being moved. The tuning of the motor was to take place last weekend but due to the motor saying bye bye that never happened.

Originally Posted by EARLdaSQUIRREL
def looks like it bent/dropped a valve and thats what happens...

the tune would have nothing to do with a dropped/bent valve
why in only 1 cylinder though??

Originally Posted by jdm inc
that looks like what happen to my cousins N/A type r motor. I think it bent a valve also..
you have 3 screwed cylinders I have 1 and all of the cylinder wals are perfect. Seems weird to me.

Originally Posted by 96 GSR-T
Are you sure those are CP Pistons? I was unaware they engraved their part numbers on the piston top, they look like Wiseco's to me.

Either way there are some serious carnage pics in here.

I was told they are CP pistons by the owner.
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 11:54 AM
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its hit or miss which valve will fail first when you have bent valves.

my last motor had all 8 exhaust valves bent, it dropped 2... who knows why only those 2.

those look like older cp pistons... it would probably have blown up anyway.. lol

if the valve was bent due to floating the valve it very well could have only floated one or 2 if it was a minor overrev..

with out having the motor in my hands i cant really give any more insight other than bent valve.
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