I wanna know if a block guard is necessary for my lvs turbo setup that I'm currently building.
I'm using stock ls pistons
I wanna run about 15psi
I'm looking for about 280-300whp

 

no stock sleeves are good for 500-550 whp depending on tune. Your Pistons and rods wont last long past 300 whp. no need for a block guard they do more harm than good. If you want to add security to your block either go wit aftermarket sleeves (ge, benson, etc) or go with css Cylinder Support System. css is just a fancy block guard but is proven to hold big power cause its machined to your block not mass produced. Good luck and read the faq for more info

 

Oh ok, aftermarket sleeves is not in the budget now, so was jus trying to make the stock sleeves as strong as possible, I guess i wud have to take the block somewhere to get the css done right? Also do I need Arp head studs or stock studs are fine for this setup? I already have Arp rod bolts

 

Yes Arp headstuds are a must! Once again tho read the faqs on the forum are a wealth of info so please read.

 

CSS machines your block to accept the support system not the other way around. The support system is then pressed in and stops on the lip machined into your block. The interference fit slightly compresses the stock sleeves increasing their strength substantially. Pretty slick.

 

Either way one puts it, the block must be sent out to them, in which they will of course, machine /match the product, then charge for any additional services that you may want, (or expected and didn't get. )

Its an option, but really for your goals, not needed.

 

only block guard you should consider is css, but like mentioned, not needed. I put down 362whp on a stock sleeve b18b1.

 

Arp headstuds are definitely not a must either.

 

Head studs are one of the best insurance policies for a boosted engine.

 

Don't listen to this guy.

get arp head studs, like everyone else is telling you. It is a must for all boosted motors in my opinion. Do you want your head to lift under boost? I don't.

 

I've only found them necessary after certain power levels as well.. heads lifting under boost, means that the motor wasn't mechanically sound in the first place.

 

Oh ok, so for 300whp or 15psi I don't need Arp head studs?

 

Necessary, no ... recommended, yes.

I ran a completely bone stock GSR at 300+whp for 2-3 years as my daily and never had issues with head lift or blowing HG's...no ARPs checkin in

 

You must be referring to the people that thought CNC werx should deck their block for free because it is a necessary process to use the CSS. I don't hear people blaming ARP because you have to align hone your mains to use their main studs. The Honda demographic wants everything cheap.

 

Stock pistons, I'd just run it without a block guard. The pistons will most likely break/crack before the sleeves will. But if you're using forged pistons, I'd run a block guard for cheap insurance. I've destroyed pistons from splitting stock sleeves without the use of a block guard before.

 

Not even that.. it was even the washing, cleaning, and other prepping needs in order to even perform the service properly. The decking, no. I would expect to be an extra charge.

An easier and more consistent way is to increase the cost to "help" the Honda customer just get it done. I'd think there's nothing worse than to basically go to 2 machine shops to perform something the first one can do for a slight price bump. Who wants to cart around an engine block from being received just to find another local machine shop that does the last part.

At that point, I'd rather just sleeve and be done. At least the decking is included in its cost, and don't have to go to a second shop..

 

I sent my block clean and CNC Werx charges 75 bux to deck which is fair. One stop shop for me. I cant even say that I would rather have a sleeved block at my power level. Look up failed/sunk sleeves and then look up failed CSS.

 

Whaaaaaaaat??? So you received what you paid for, on-time, WAY FASTER than any sleeve company can consistently ship and your complaining because I didn't do additional services for free? Nothing else to hate on so you make **** up?? Sucks when you read back and see how correct I was and how stupid you sound. Still just a keyboard genius!!

How about this, since you have one of the greatest offerings in the Honda world and still can't stop hating on it. How much you want for your block? I'll buy it back and you can use the money getting another block sleeved. How does that sound?

 

Stock pistons and Rods will be your weak link.

Blockguards do absolutely nothing but give tuners false confidence and with confidence tuner typically produce better results.

I've seen countless cracked blocks at 300 or less over my 20yrs in the Honda game. Can you make 500-600-700 on a stock block, YES, but for eveyone who succeeds there are 20+ who fail. If your on a budget and can't afford to do it right to first time then you definitely don't have the money to do it twice.

ARP rod bolts are a waste. You will break the shaft before you snap the bolts.

ARP headstuds are definitely recommended in all applications.

If you decide to upgrade your pistons rods (Nippon/Scat combo cheap safety) then the CSS is the best thing you could do to protect your investment.

 

I really don't sound that stupid considering I didn't send anything to you, old pimp. This was feedback received from several turbo clients when they received their blocks back and finished their setups.. (you know the old saying; when someone feels as though they had a good experience, tell 1 person. When that same person felt as though they had a bad experience, they tell 50 people.). Doing what you do is your business. I have no stake in it, whatsoever.

Once again, you're barking up the wrong tree player, thinking I'm hating on you for no reason. You still sore 2 years after I simply made you use your brain to explain in detail a bit more about your process, which more likely resulted in you getting more business than the snake-oil sales pitch you were initially spouting? Man, talk about Honda-Tech forum PTSD.

Man, its time to just relax and get back to work, instead of coming in here in the 11th hour trying sound like Mr. "Get Bad".

-K3YBOARD G3N!U$

 

This has to be one of the best replies ever. You pretty much spray farted on his face.

 

Not really.

Its full of hypocrisy.

Css is proven no matter what way you look at it.

Its a successful product. Hes a paid sponsor here.

Why isnt "theshodan"??

Turbos must not be that good, css isnt here bashing him.

 

Ohh don't get me wrong, I like css I have a block done with css for this summer 😉

 

Riiight. Because all things good must use honda-tech only as its source of marketing, and anything else that isn't is just eBay garbage. If its not in DSPORT magazine , Sponsored in IFO or DRAGTIMES or whatever.. it can't be good, right? Because that's how ALL people who go a different route have to be in here, paying over $400/mo in silly banner ads and "special" forums to be noticed.. Gotta make sure Internet Brands gets it cut, right?

Regardless, I wasn't "bashing" TrickEng, no matter how he feels about me... I never did. He was originally pissed off because basically, I lowered myself to your level by delving deep into the questions that he wasn't ready to answer at the time as he was selling his system in a very old-fashioned, "step right up, and see the show" sales-style, and didn't take "no" for an answer kinda like you do...

If you find that piece, I really only delved into the fact that he himself was the reason why he was unique with his product that made him stand out away from the others. I was probing, determined, an even acted like an ***, but I never bashed the man or his business. Still don't. His product seems to work from other testimony, so go with God... But to appear "traumatized" by thinking my intent is to ruin him in some way is just paranoid, rather childish, and kinda sad . Hell, I probably helped him answer other people's questions that didn't know how to phrase them or were afraid to ask.. Probably got him some extra money in his pocket.

For whatever odd reason, he felt that because I use a higher level of vocabulary in my argument, I was trying to intimidate him negatively or "bash" his product as though it was inferior in some form vs. the typical block guards that were used and sold in the Honda market. Even then, I never said it didn't work, or it was BS or whatever. I left him alone after he went into more detail, and I suppose today's response triggered some deep-seeded feelings.

Look, it's not my fault I type and speak in an educated fashion in which he feels uneasy. That's for him to deal with as a personal problem. I'm sure if he just doesn't sweat the small stuff, keep on truckin' like he does, he'll be fine. I'm of no threat or consequence to the old-bean.

 

Is it just me or did i read the shodans post as to raise the price to include the decking cuz it's needed so the honda ***** can get it done because they will have to either way and it would make it easier ... My friend just shipped his block to css and we just did this I even have the price out comparison stuff and it's easier to have css do the decking since it's already there and the cheapest vs the local shop ... Just saying some noob will probably decline it and complain about a hg later I will definitely get my next block css cuz it works no hating lol just relax woo saa