hi.. i know this is not a honda but help me out guys.

im looking for a turbo that will yield me about 425awhp on a awd 1g dsm, im basically looking to run the turbo at peak efficiency, 425 is the ultimate goal, so i dont want a 5-600whp turbo for 'future' and have all that lag.

i was considering a gt2871r, but im looking for something equiv. that is not internally gated.

http://store.forcedperformance...rrett

it seems turbo selection for dsm's is a bit different then for honda's so im just looking for some insight on this one.

I was considering going with a straight T3 50trim as in a garrett unit or similar.

What do you all think?

 

50-trims don't perform all that well on 4G63's... I'd run something like a Forced Performance green turbo, or like a Precision 60-1.

 

Either a 50trim or a 20G.

Seems to be the hot turbos for DSM

 

20G is a deff hot DSM item and will bolt up to stock mitsu manifold... They have shitty seals though and tend to go somewhat frequently. Also, if you want to save money on a manfifold, just get a ported 2G mani.. they flow well up to like 500HP

 

Many of the turbos above will run out of breath well short of the OP's goals. A 60-1, S256 or 62-1 would all work well for your power goals and on a larger engine like the 4G63, would still spool rather quickly

 

Not sure how much my friend was making, but this is what he has/had:

Built 2.3L stroker (6 bolt)
Forced Performance Cam 3
FP3065 Turbocharger
Magnus Intake Manifold

he was making some good power with that...his car is the car from garland, tx on forced Performance website

 

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you must be from CCDSM

t3/t4 50 trims work GREAT on 4g63's. and for 425 hp i cant even think of a better turbo to use, im telling you this from personal experience PM AWDstylez on here and he can tell you about his 50 trim/6 bolt 2g setup we built. i wouldnt use anything FP, those turbos are overpriced and dont perform any better then a garrett unit.

 

I had one of the first to4b v-trim setups from bullseye and made 402whp on 93 with my 1st gen fwd talon..it was almost maxed out I was pushing 27psi stock internals with hks cams..if I had to do it again I would get a fp3052 with the tial housing and go from there my friend made 600+whp on a 3065 with the works.. If I were you I would talk to dan at bullseye he will send you the right way.

 

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He's right. T04E 50 trims don't work at all. So why don't you buy a T04E 50 trim with a shitty MHI turbine housing from FP that they call a "green", pay 3x more for it, and it will work great. Everything made by FP is overpriced junk, MHI turbines/housings are junk, bolt on parts are junk, and anyone that tells you that you should "port" your manifold or turbine should be shot.

The 60-1 is more outdated than the Model T, but without any of the classic appeal. It has no business on a **** poor flowing 4G63. Leave it on your B-series.

Stick with the Garrett 50 trim you were originally considering. They can be had for well under $600 and combined with a set of cams will make 425awhp without issue or excessive lag.

OP, I give you props for at least knowing enough to ask the Honda people and not the DSMtards. "OMGZZGZZ 16G!!!! GET THE 16G!!!!! EVO III!!!!! SWEEEEET!! OMGZGZ"

 

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FP Green is a 50 trim!

50 trim will make that power on a stock setup DSM all day.

 

A bolt on PTE 50trim will make 400 whp no problem at sea level, if you have cams and a intake manifold.

I was trapping 116mph @ 3268lbs at 6000' elevation, which is about 390whp.

 

Thanks everyone, especially for the fast responces, seems i did have the right idea from the reading ive done with considering the 50trim at the top of my list.

As far as porting a 2G manifold, i do all my own work, so something a little better wont be a huge financial problem

 

Larger HX35, or a HX40?

 

why not a 60 trim t3/t4 .63 to give it a tad more breath

 

go on dsmtuners and look for a (forced performance) fp3052 THE BEST BOLT ON TURBO FOR YOUR GOAL been there done the whole dsm thing

 

yeah working on dsm's is the biggest deterant from owning one, maybe im just spoiled with hondas ease of maintenance.

 

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Overkill isnt going to be wanted.

 

Forced performance must be over-priced junk huh? That would be
1. The reason why John Sheapard runs one.
2. When you put one one the dyno, the IATs are so much lower than say a precision counter-part.
3. They last...

Also, since you seem to know about CCDSM, you must know abut Victor Research, give Arron a call and ask him for his opinion.

 

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1. The reason why John Sheapard runs one.
2. When you put one one the dyno, the IATs are so much lower than say a precision counter-part.
3. They last...

Also, since you seem to know about CCDSM, you must know abut Victor Research, give Arron a call and ask him for his opinion. </TD></TR></TABLE>

1. John Sheapard doesn't run one and if he does then it's not a bolt-on, MHI turbine housing unit, and he gets it for free. I'd run it if it was free too... wait... no I wouldn't.
What does the other 99% of the field in professional import drag racing run?



That's right. They run Garrett turbos (or Precision or Turbonetics which are just slightly modified Garrett units). You're outside of CCDSM now and no one here really gives a damn what John Sheapard does or runs.

2. What's funny is that they use Garrett cold sides, so you sir, are on the w33d or prescribe to the propaganda too much.

3. They last? Compared to what? Last time I checked Garrett makes OE turbos for OEMs around the world that build cars with warrantees and use parts that have to last. Garrett trustworthiness &gt; FPoop

Aaron can strangle on my ****. That shop is the biggest bunch of hack jobs in the state. Are they even still in business?

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A 60 trim is also a hell of a lot less efficient than a 50 trim. People need to take the time to look at the maps before they immediately assume that bigger number = better power.

 

1) VR is still in business and does pretty good work.
2) I never would make a statement saying that it's not as good as a Garrett counterpart. I pointed out that they are good turbos (not ****).
3) Regardless if anyone cares or not, JohnShepard does run a FP turbo.
4) I also never said that the MHI turbo flanges were better then say a T3 or t4 flanged turbo. I stated that the guy could use his stock mani. Also, the MHI GT35R has produced 650whp too, so it is an alternative solution (not necassarily better, but you CAN make good power with it)

 

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Something I made from my last DSM 1g/2g internal setup. it was VERY nice. Also the S362 did even more wonders.

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1467894

On a bit of a side note:
If you were sponsored by PINKturbo.com, you'd run whatever you were given regardless, let's be real here..
John Shepard runs a Garrett, Brent Rau runs a Borg-Warner.. what is your particular point? Many of these people run a variety of turbochargers to get their needed effect with their sponsorship..

 

I remember that car from the good old redline meets...that thing was a BEAST! I liked that setup mac..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CTGrey06RSX-S &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">1) VR is still in business and does pretty good work.
2) I never would make a statement saying that it's not as good as a Garrett counterpart. I pointed out that they are good turbos (not ****).
3) Regardless if anyone cares or not, JohnShepard does run a FP turbo.
4) I also never said that the MHI turbo flanges were better then say a T3 or t4 flanged turbo. I stated that the guy could use his stock mani. Also, the MHI GT35R has produced 650whp too, so it is an alternative solution (not necassarily better, but you CAN make good power with it)</TD></TR></TABLE>

1. VR does **** poor work. My car came back expletiveed up every time and the only person there that knew anything left.

2. They're not good turbos when you take the price into consideration. They want $1,300+ for a non ball bearing pile of junk.

3. There's another person above me that just confirmed that he doesn't.

4. MHI housings suck. It's not even debatable, it's just fact.

 

on my evo8 I made 405whp at 21psi
very safe tune on a gt3037

 

staying outta the E-battle but on evos the fp green is a turbo of choice spools close to stock and can bring the power check evom there are a few guys with just striped evos running 10.80 ive never driven a any4g63 with them just saying