Nope, end user software is available for download right off the home page.

Click Here for Download of Software

You will need to purchase a usb to CAN bus communication cable additionally to the ecu and vehicle specific harness. Similar to the USB to CAN module from MoTeC.

 

The end user software gives you full access, and is available to anyone.

 

We were just talking motec, and internal logging isn't free there, how is this different?

 

EXACTLY!

Thank you!

 

Sounds like another good option.

I can definitely attest to this...these ecu's see some pretty serious abuse without a hiccup.

 

Ok, I just went through this entire thread and deleted 143 BS posts that were so off topic it wasn't funny. Some of the posts were flat out insulting at times. These type of posts will NOT be accepted again. Next time a thread gets this out of hand, I'm going to start issuing infractions. For those of you who don't understand, this means that as the infractions pile up, eventually the system bans you. Enough is enough.

 

I know this is an old thread but I'd like to say this system is hands down the best value per $ of any standalone out there. The hardware is rock solid, I would say even rivals Motec, the fueling strategy is based on somthing OEMs spent buttloads of $$$ to perfect and it works flawlessly and makes WAY more logical sence than just about any other standalone out there. The failsafes that are built-in (fault managment) are priceless especially when you consider the cost of a built motor, and depsite what some other posters have posted, it does EVERYTHING Jason claims it can do and its constantly being improved upon with a very simple upgrade path when new features are added or improved. I've seen it work in real world and I've tuned cars on it. I tune just about every kind of engine managment/ecu editor out there (haltech, motec, aem, nistune, hondata, hptuners, diablo sport, powerfc, microtech, efi technologies,uprev,ecuflash,ectune,bigstuff3,FAST, acceldfi,MSD ingenious,unichip,dimsport,power commander,bazzaz,vipec,Link,DSM Link,048 Motorsports)

Theres probably more but I can't remember them all.

Dealing with all these different EMS's/ECU Editors I've been exposed to several different ways of doing just about anything you can think of both software and hardware wise. At this point in time my first recomendation to any customer wanting a standalone EMS is ProEFI.. Your just not gonna get more features, flexability, reliability, at its pricepoint from any other EMS.

Also the comments about having 8 coil drivers and 4 injectors drivers. ... Well lets see here, have you ever heard of TWIN FIRE engines, where they have 2 plugs per cylinder? Also, you can run a V8 engine with the smaller box paring injectors and still having individual coil on plug.. Its actually done more often than you think.. There is a very large margin of flexability once you understand a thing or two about engine managments and how things work..

One final point. As far as the comments twords Jason Seibles. I've had nothing but good experiences working with him and his system. He was very professional, is an extremely smart guy, and delivers on everything he promised his box could do. He also takes the time to anser the phone any time I have any kind of issue. This guy has also tuned several record breaking cars that most of the people on this forum probably look up to.

Anyways, I just hope that no one is detracted from considering ProEFI as their engine managment due to a few spoiled apples in this thread because its an exceptional system at an exceptional price.

There are alot of really neat things about this sytem that one wouldn't know about unless they've used it. So if anyone has any questions regarding the features, strategies, or anything about the system feel free to ask..

 

I dont think the two fastest guys in USA will say that...........Just my .02

 

You get what you paid for.

 

Hopefully you're referring to a quality product like the ProEFI.

I can't believe I missed this thread!

Reid

 

Wonder why John Reed dropped ProEFI from his list of products...

 

Have one all setup and running (ProEFI) in our shop CRX now, so we'll post up some pics and videos when we get the car down the track. Hopefully be at bella rose this weekend, finally get to run the car. Its a simple setup, LS/VTEC BW S366, CRX. We're using the stock pickups in the dizzy, and running a ProDrag 4 box with M&W coils in a coil near plug setup. Stock tranny, stock axels, on 24.5s.. EVERYTHING on this car is budget except the ECU and ignition system lol. Went soft on the tune, made about 650@30psi with room to grow. Went 9.98 last time out on S300 on the first pass out, then we had to call it early. So hopefully in bella rose we get to lay somthing down with the new system. May even have my drag bike up and running (also on ProEFI) for bella rose, if my injectors get here in time .. Feel free to ask question if you guys see us there.

 

last time i asked john about the pro efi stuff he told me the software got better than it was initially...he seemed to be pretty positive about it...of course he is a motec ***** and probably likes that over everything haha

 

kyle carters prologger.com k series dragster uses one... seems to work ok

 

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Did you guys heard about Fueltech?
Its cheap, extremely easy to use and really do its job.
IMO one of the best cost/benefit available on the market.

www.fueltechusa.com

 

We're probably putting one on a street integra we may throw together for fun. We'll have it setup with flexfuel, traction control, all the goodies. Its nice when you buy somthing once and it comes with EVERYTHING unlocked and ready to go already. No extra hidden costs to upgrade this or that and for less $$$. Only drawback is that theres no onboard logging, but honestly with any of the systems offered on a serious race car you'll run out of channels and end up having to run an external logger anyways. So the cost ends up being about the same. If not you can just strap down a netbook and let er rip, it'll log everything through the user software at 1M/s. Theres 32 channels so if you don't mind a netbook you can log everything that way. Otherwise it works with any CAN based logger, racepack, aim, race technologies, etc..

 

Fueltech also have a 24 channel datalogger
Some people here in Brazil use to use 2 of that 24 channel module... Its really impressive.

http://www.fueltechusa.com/br/produc...o24_datalogger

In fact, Fueltech has a complete suite for any serious race car.
Worth to chek it out.

http://www.fueltechusa.com/br/product

 

I'm certainly glad you had a good experience with them. Have you gone through dealer training and were you using one of their adapter harnesses for yours or did you get a universal system? If you got a universal system, who wired it up and where did you get instructions for it? Did you have to pay extra for a start-up map and/or trigger configuration?(I suspect not if you're using stock pickups).

It seems to have several nice features if you can get them to work (or are willing/able to pay a dealer for their time to set it up for you. If you don't have good dealer support, you might be surprised)

It's absolutely a neat system when it works, however there is a disturbing lack of even basic information regarding wiring it up, the basics of how some features work, and no information at all about how other features work. I talked with Adam on numerous occasions and he's always been really polite on the phone even when he can't answer the questions I've asked.

Another thing I don't recall seeing mentioned anywhere in this thread, if you're planning on tuning yours with the end-user software and not mototune, you really have to have a pretty stout laptop, the end user software from a software performance standpoint is.. well I don't really know how to put this delicately... processor intensive bloatware. I had to buy a new laptop to even get any kind of reasonable usability out of it, but once set up on the new laptop, it works reasonably well. There are various things that could be laid out better, but you'll find that with any system.

 

Yes we are dealers, and I went through the dealer training. I have done installs with their adapter harnesses and wiring complete new harnesses.

"2 Supras, 1 Honda, 1 350Z, 1 2G GSX (adapter harnesses)"
"1 EVO, 1 ZX10R, 1 RB26 240SX, 1 MazdaSpeed 3, and soon to be a Lexus IS-F, (wired in from scratch)".

Wiring it in isn't any more complex than any other system I've wired in, only difference being we use more sensors, and more I/O with the ProEFI since we utilise more of the features. I do all the wiring, and I use the Plug N Pin kits, I like to start my harnesses at the motor and work my way back to the ECU, then cut all the wires the same length and pin them in. Always comes out neater that way for me.

Didn't really need any instructions except for the pinout charts that lists all the pins and what they are/do. For the first supra I got a base cal. For all the other cars I built the cals from scratch. Its a little daunting at first because there are a million parameters that need to be set, but doing so really gives u a good solid foundation on how everything works in the ECU and where every single setting is lol. Thats when you start to realise how powerfull it really is.

I didn't have to pay for any of the calibrations. Jason gave me SAAD's supra map to base alot of my settings off of, and he also gave me John Shepards 1G map, for the GSX. I will probably use the EVO map I just did since its alot closer to the setup on the GSX.

All the firmwares for different trigger configs are available on their FTP for download once you have a username and pass.

The system does rely on the dealer network to provide support to the end users. If your running one of the plug n play setups, there isn't a need for a dealer. The base cals have everything you need already setup, and the user software gives you access to everything you need to tune it. Now if you are doing a one off, which we have been doing alot of lately, you need access to a dealer, or dealer software to configure the more advanced settings. But once the firmware is configured, everything you need to tune, race, run, log, is all in the user software and is fully functional.

As far as getting features to work. I can see where this could be daunting as well. There are lots of features, with lots of settings, and you have to know what your doing, and have an understanding of how things work to set them up. This is no different than, AEM, Motec, Haltech. ProEFI just does alot of stuff so its a bit much to take in all at once, but once you work with it a bit, its just as easy to use as any other system.

In the user software, there is a help button on every screen that gives you descriptions of how each table/setting works..

The user software isn't lite, but I have run it on my wifes netbook with no issues, and its not very powerfull..

Like most other systems, the software is not perfect yet, but the system is rock solid, and it does anything and everything you could want. It may be a learning curve to setup if your not famliar with engine managments in general, but once you get it all setup and working its a bad b**ch. ;P

 

This would make you different then from a typical end-user (which is where I put myself)

It is and it isn't. When you have no dealer support, and all you get for wiring is a list of pin functions, without any description or concept of how it's supposed to be wired (specifically, the MPRD when you're not turning anything on with the ecu), this is a huge disappointment with the proEFI IMO. And it is not the first management system I've messed with or wired up from scratch.

Once you know what it's supposed to 'look like' for lack of a better description, sure, it's no more difficult than anything else. Was that part of the dealer training or as a dealer do you actually get access to some kind of wiring diagram?

There is a lot to set in mototune, and a reasonable amount of it can be set from the end user software, but some of that is fairly tedious (the iBoost table comes to mind. it 'looks' pretty in the proEFI software, but it's a massive pain in the *** to modify).

Off the shelf cal's should be free. So how do you (a dealer) go about getting a srz for something with a 'new' trigger pattern? I ended up having to change mine to a 1g input after some other issues arose with the original pattern I had.

if you're a dealer...

Or more than cursory support from the company when your dealer knows less about the system than you do would be nice

It's different from AEM in how it presents it's configuration, I'm not sure I'm ready to say its better or worse, but it's certainly different. It is somewhat logically laid out, which is more than I can normally say about any of the 47 versions of megasquirt floating around as well.

not on every screen, and the help that you do get is occasionally... not helpful haha

Your wife must have a pretty nice netbook, it ran like a bag of *** on mine even after upgrading memory, stripping it down to as few processes and services as possible, etc. it ran OK on my wife's laptop, but not exactly great. Who knows, maybe you're more patient than I am when it comes to computers.. I work in IT, so it is *not* acceptable to me to have to wait for a window to open up after hitting the button, or wait a second or two for the selected cell to move when I hit the arrow key or click elsewhere on the map.


It's alright. My opinion of it might improve as time goes on and I get a chance to use the more advanced features. Certain parts of it do have a bit of a curve to em, and the curve gets a lot steeper when you don't have competent dealer support; something for potential end users to keep in mind.

 

Lol no I actually had to ask about the MPRD as well. The reason for it is so the ECU has time to save all the adaptive learned values to flash before it shuts completely down. Its not really needed if your not using any of the adaptive features.

The wiring diagrams and what not are getting better, they are still kinda new and have tons of things they are working on. But its all being improved over time.


I use the same pinout chart.


I actaully send Jason feedback pretty regular on way to make things easier for the end user. So it will progress.

As far as I know the cals are free, I've never been charged for one. The system only supports a handfull of patterns currently. All the most common patterns are supported. Not sure what you had or have, so i couldn't help you there.

Who was your dealer? I know Jason tries to pick dealers that are capable, but you never really know how much somone knows until you put them to work.


Well if you need any support feel free to contact us directly. I can help you with whatever you need.

 

haha nice

They share that with you dealer types, not us lowly commoners


cool

hall-effect 12 tooth crank single tooth cam (more or less... a hall effect 2jz pattern instead of VR), and finally went with a 1g CAS since the other wasn't working. it's a drawn out story that doesn't need to really be hung out here.

They're not listed on the website, and I'm not really sure what name they registered it under.

I might have to take you up on that offer, thanks!

 

I will have a video of a SOCH D-series turbo Civic with a ProEFI Pro48 ecu soon. Made 277whp on pump gas.

Reid

 

Heres a cool vid, showing just a few things that the ProEFI can do. This is on a turbo M3..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS9gUg1clWA