Its not overpriced... many tuners can tune, tons of support, when they release an update it actually works and is quick and easy to download. There were many people that bought into pro efi and wanted to become dealers but ended up sending the stuff back or selling it off. The software is crap, if you have a problem there is only one guy to help and that Jason, and sometimes he's too busy. Plus its funny because everyone that gets it says, jason was a big help and talked me through everything. That's because everyone has to sit on the phone with him for hours to get it to work! What a hassle. You can have the headache all you want but people who want things done right and know they are gonna be out there racing and need reliability, pay for it the first time and go with something like a Motec. But hey that's just me! I pulled the money out of my pocket for a box and went 9's my first time out with a Motec and have just gotten faster and faster ever since and the thing has never given me a problem. Best desicion and best chunk of change I have ever spent!

 

We are a dealer for these boxes as well and I absolutely love it compared to other units out there. Hardware wise when compared to the Motec it's apples to apples. Software wise, it's decent but nowhere near the Motec based stuff; atleast not yet.

I have been running it on my Evo for over a year now to get used to the interface and tuning strategies that go along with it. Have to say it's one of the smoothest driving stand-a-lones I've had on this car ever. Been thru the AEM EMS nightmare and loved the HKS Vpro that was on it just lacked many things I would like in a stand-a-lone. This is by far the only other stand-a-lone I'd put on a car besides a MoTeC.

For a street driving car with E85 available it sure is nice with the ethanol content sensor for the ecu to alter the tunes based on ethanol percentage without having to adjust anything with a laptop.

We have had the Pro128 running on one of our honda's last year, but had some horendous driveline issues that have kept that car from ever going on the track or running on the dyno. The entire powerplant is being pulled out of the EF chassis now and converted over to another EG chassis to run it in the more competitive SFWD and Outlaw classes. The one thing I wanted to do from the get go was get it running with a stock distributor, but we were unsuccessful. Already knowing how much more reliable a hall effect setup was, we decided to order a custom cam gear from Tony @ T1 with 24 teeth in it so we could run a trigger pattern that was already in the ProEFI firmware.

Plan is to have a custom race harness on this car directly to the ProEFI vs. the factory chassis harness to the jumper harness. The jumper harness would be fine and I use them still, just this car was completely gutted when we picked it up so everything is custom from brake lines to wiring.

Hopefully this car may be ready for the IFO race in Witchita on the 18th of August if all goes well.

Next other ProEFI setup we will have running is a BMW E36 chassis with T66 turbo setup.

There are quite a few applications that are out there now and many more in the near future. The hardware is on point for sure, just have to give it time on the software interface.

 

the ecu's he sells are mototrons, and like enzo said, very reliable.

the part that blows is the man behind it all, siebels.

i have first hand experience with him, i worked with (not for him, im not a disgruntled ex-employee/distributor of his). he is full of ****, he will tell you what you need to hear to sell it to you ("adaptive learning"). any features the ecu has, he will take claim as if he invented it, yet barely understands how it truely works. keep in mind the ecu IS an OEM ecu, so it does have badass stuff designed into it.

the man is a salesman, and a good one, i would believe it if you told me he sold you the brooklyn bridge.

this is key to knowing if siebels is behind it...

-he will always make ridiculous claims
-talk about how it is better than motec
-talk about how shitty the aem is (he is a disgruntled ex-aem employee and has alot to do with the gen1's failures/short comings)
-make up fancy sounding phrases, "adaptive learning"
-product will have USELESS features. (pro48 ecu "features" 8 coil drives, who the **** cares when you have 4 injector outputs! oh! but they are peak & hold...)
-talk about how many options it has and how it can bake you a pie while giving you a BJ

like i said...
siebels=fail

 

Looks a lot like the MotoTron hardware and software. When I worked with it, the hardware was good the software blew! I know the Edelbrock turbo kits for the 2000 SI and Integras used the smaller ECU's, at the time they were a pain in the a$$ to tune.

 

That right there is a great option, I'll take 2!!!!

 

With no respect due, you don't know what your talking about. The software is the best part of this ecu. It is a system designed for street and drag racing. It can do things that a Motec at 4 times the price can't do. Its reliability is 10 times that of a Motec, I have NEVER seen a failure with this ecu and if you would like to argue that point try dunking your Motec in a bucket of water and see how it works, because I know my ProEFI won't miss a beat. I might also remind you that there isn't a 6 speed Supra in Florida that can touch my 6 speed Supra and I run a ProEFI. Why anyone would spend 4 times the money for less of a product is beyond me.

 

Lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_scy...=youtube_gdata

 

^^thats the waterproof marine series, cost 2k extra lol

 

Funny, but that's a regular ecu, not a marine version.

 

j/k Tony

im sure both are quality units

imo it boils down to what your tuner is comfortable with and how much you want to spend.

but what do i know, im just a slow allmotor guy haha

 

That's pretty cool Tony! Is that non marine version exposed to water? Or is it in a water tight case? What do they (motec) spec that ecu to handle? Water depth, duration, salt water exposure time etc..

Here is ours!

http://www.proefi.com/ECU_Specifications.html

The Motec does alot of cool stuff for sure! I think you would agree it is geared more toward the professional racing team with a budget to match. Our ecu is geared toward cars that get driven, and raced on a moderate budget, and we have alot of the built in cababilities of a modern street car. Does motec do things the ProEFI can't do...sure! We don't have telemetry...(yet), their software is very configurable, they have had a pretty good head start! Are there things we can do that Motec can't? Absolutely! Our Processor is ALOT faster than Motecs, we have full auto trans control, fault management, adaptive learning ( an industry term that has been around for over a decade, although I don't know what it means ), etc... To truly compare the two, at the very least, you need to have hands on experience with both. As you know, I do! I tuned Ara Arslanians race car for his last season (on motec), I owned an M800 myself for the better part of two years, and did countless hours of testing with an oscilliscope comparing specs, and accuracies of the unit. The Motec is a VERY good unit, and one of the very few units that represents itself with quality and support (although very expensive). Obviously I feel it is overpriced, or there would not be a place in the market for a product like mine.

As for Jessica, I'm glad your happy with your decision. Customer satisfaction is a huge priority for us, and obviously motec accomplished that for you. It's humorous to think that I spend hours on the phone with my customers getting them setup. I would NEVER get anything done if that were true. Fortunately or unfortunately (depending on how you want to look at it) I rarely get an opprotunity to speak with the end user. I pride myself on exceptional dealer support, and that is where my technical support time is spent (which accounts for about 5% of my time currently). ProEFI has 8 employees...btw, I am not the 'only' one.

You ran 9's your first time out! Congratulations! You started with a calibration and setup from a car that had already done that, so it's not like it was from scratch. Your car is fast, and you are one hell of a driver...let alone for a girl. I'm VERY impressed when I watch you go down the track. The first attempt we ever made at the track in a supra with the ProEFI on it was an 8.98@154mph, and that was a map from scratch, not that it really matters!

I know you have an issue with Saad, I'm not sure what your issue is with me, but Saad is a customer, not an employee or owner. He has paid for EVERY single part on his car....EVERYTHING! I gave him nothing, he is not a sponsored car. He runs a windshield decal of ProEFI on his own. It is not a requirement. He pays for his support at the track (most of the time). So please keep the two seperate.

Bottom line, no 'one' ecu is going to meet everyones needs. You need to pick the one the best suites your budget, and cabability requirements. I would also argue that you should pick the one your tuner is comfortable with. Just because you have a tuner that is comfortable with a certain product, doesn't mean that the product, or the tuner can meet your needs. Set your needs first, pick the product that best fits your needs and budget, THEN select your tuner.

 

I have to disagree here, you should set your needs and pick your tuner first, because the last thing you need is to be stuck with a product that your tuner is not comfortable with. It is much easier to order a product than a tuner.

 

What if the product your tuner knows won't fit your needs?

 

What good is it if no one can tune it?

 

A good tuner can tune anything. Let's say you need traction control, and your tuner only knows Hondata. You have 3 choices, find a new tuner, have your tuner learn a new system, or learn to tune yourself. That's pretty much it.

 

fixed it for ya

 

You are 100% right but most likly it will be costly one way or another.......

 

A bit of advice I would recommend is don't try to sell your product by putting down other products or claim your product is superior because of x,y or z. Thats very unprofessional. That alone steers me away from your products.
Let your product sell itself, if it's truly a good product it will sell itself.

 

I think this is a very important post. It all comes down to what your tuner is going to be comfortable with. Most good tuners can learn to tune any ECU, but it also depends if they are going to want to take the time to do that, and with some ecu's, the software headache's aren't worth the little bit of money they will be making.

 

No, there is a difference between learning to tune, and learning software.

 

Very true. Learning a new system is an investment for a tuner. You can't expect to make a profit on the first few tunes, there is a learning curve. If you expect all systems to all work the same, your going to get frustrated very quickly.

 

I'm sorry, do you see somewhere that I was putting anything down?

 

Did you read my post? I said people thought 2Js hurt number 6 first... They do not! If I just went along with what was thought, I would just be bandaiding a problem that didn't exist. So to answer my own question...there is NO difference when it comes to tuning procedure. To assume that one cylinder is going to be a problem, and not the rest, is to assume EVERYTHING is perfect on the setup, and it RARELY is.

 

so do you have to be a licensed($$) tuner to be able to tune this system or can any tuner have full access to the software?

 

2,000 dollars and it cant internal datalog without adding a 1,200 dollar module? but it can run 16 coils but only 12 injectors lol doesn't make allot of sense to me.