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NHRA 2005 rule changes released
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2005 rule change revisions announced
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12.21.2004
A revised summary of rule changes to the NHRA Summit Sport Compact Drag Racing 2005 Rulebook has been released. From the previous release on Dec. 8, 2004, please note changes to: Hot Rod, Modified and Sport FWD turbocharger rules, Pro FWD minimum weight and tire rules, and Sport FWD and Sport RWD intercooler rules. The entire 2005 Rulebook will be available on nhrasportcompact.com shortly, and printed copies will be mailed to NHRA Sport Compact Members shortly after the first of the year. Questions and comments may be sent to Jim Skelly, Racing Competition Director at jskelly@nhra.com, or to the NHRA Tech Department at pcvengros@nhra.com.
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PROPER USAGE OF RULEBOOK
Additional safety equipment or safety-enhancing equipment is always permitted and the levels of safety equipment stated in this Rulebook are minimum prescribed levels for a particular type of competition and do not prohibit the individual racer from using additional safety equipment. In disputed cases, whether an item of equipment is safety-enhancing or performance-enhancing will be determined by NHRA in NHRA's sole and absolute discretion.
On the other hand, as to performance equipment, it is the general rule that unless optional performance equipment or performance-related modification is specifically permitted by this Rulebook, it is prohibited. All model, engine or equipment changes or modifications not specifically addressed in this Rulebook must be submitted in writing to NHRA for consideration prior to competition. Approval will be granted or denied in NHRA's sole and absolute discretion. The applicant will be notified of approval or rejection from NHRA headquarters in Glendora, Calif.
Unauthorized cars, parts, and/or equipment will not be considered approved by reason of having passed through technical inspection at any time, or any number of times. Moreover, having passed through technical inspection at any time, or any number of times, is not a defense to a violation found on further inspection.
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ALL MOTOR
Engine
Engine diaper or catch pan device to capture oil and debris in event of engine failure, mandatory. Where exhaust header passes directly under oil pan, two piece diaper may be utilized. FWD vehicles using OEM manual transmission case must also have such a device for the transmission, to capture oil and debris in event of transmission failure. If catch pan device is used, catch pan must employ minimum1-inch high lips on all sides. Lips must be coved or curved inward, so as to contain oil in pan. 1-inch high lips are a minimum. In all cases, lips must be adequate enough to contain oil in the catch pan. Should a competitor spill oil from the catch pan onto the track, he/she may be disqualified from further competition until catch pan is upgraded, regardless of height of pan lips or pan design.
Minimum weights (FWD 4 Cyl)
Up to 2.2 1,625 pounds
2.21 to 2.4 1,675 pounds
2.41 to 2.6 1,725 pounds
Clutch
The use of slider, adjustable or any "pro stock type" clutch prohibited.
No changes to RWD or Air Cooled minimum weights.
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HOT ROD
Engine
Engine diaper or catch pan device to capture oil and debris in event of engine failure, mandatory. Where exhaust header passes directly under oil pan, two piece diaper may be utilized. Any vehicle using an OEM manual transmission case must also have such a device for the transmission to capture oil and debris in event of transmission failure. If catch pan device is used, catch pan must employ minimum1-inch high lips on all sides. Lips must be coved or curved inward, so as to contain oil in pan. 1-inch lips are a minimum. In all cases, lips must be adequate enough to contain oil in the catch pan. Should a competitor spill oil from the catch pan onto the track, he/she may be disqualified from further competition until catch pan is upgraded, regardless of height of pan lips or pan design.
Turbocharger
All turbochargers must utilize a turbine housing inlet flange commonly referred to as a T04. The turbine housing inlet flange may be smaller, but may never exceed the T04 dimensions in any direction. All turbochargers must have a maximum turbine housing exducer diameter of 3.111 inches, measured at the point where the exducer edge of the turbine wheel meets the turbine housing.
Ecotec engine limited to maximum 70 mm turbo, where the maximum compressor housing inducer diameter is 71.78 mm, measured at the point where the leading edge of the compressor wheel meets the housing. Compressor wheel inducer diameter not to exceed this value, and contours of wheel must be 'unstepped,' i.e. the contours must be continuous features from the inducer to the wheel exducer.
All other engines limited to a maximum 74 mm turbo, where the maximum compressor housing inducer diameter is 75.85 mm, measured at the point where the leading edge of the compressor wheel meets the housing. Compressor wheel inducer diameter not to exceed this value, and contours of wheel must be 'unstepped,' i.e. the contours must be continuous features from the inducer to the wheel exducer
Clutch
The use of slider, adjustable or any "pro stock type" clutch prohibited.
Body
Chopped roof prohibited on any car constructed after 10/1/04. Existing cars will be permitted in competition for 2005 season, however, competitor must have provided documentation that car was completed prior to 10/1/04 by way of photographs received at NHRA Headquarters in Glendora on or before 10/1/04.
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MODIFIED
Minimum weights
RWD or AWD 2 rotor (1 or 2 power adders) 2,000 pounds
RWD or AWD 3 rotor (1 or 2 power adders) 2,500 pounds
RWD or AWD 6 cylinder (1 power adder only) 2,800 pounds
Engine
Engine diaper or catch pan device to capture oil and debris in event of engine failure, mandatory. If catch pan device is used, catch pan must employ minimum1-inch high lips on all sides. Lips must be coved or curved inward, so as to contain oil in pan. 1-inch lips are a minimum. In all cases, lips must be adequate enough to contain oil in the catch pan. Should a competitor spill oil from the catch pan onto the track, he/she may be disqualified from further competition until catch pan is upgraded, regardless of height of pan lips or pan design.
Fuel
Use of methanol permitted on 6 cylinder engines.
Turbocharger
All 6 cylinder turbochargers must utilize a turbine housing inlet flange commonly referred to as a T04. The turbine housing inlet flange may be smaller, but may never exceed the T04 dimensions in any direction.
6 Cylinder, single turbo applications limited to a maximum 74 mm turbo, where the maximum compressor housing inducer diameter is 75.85 mm, measured at the point where the leading edge of the compressor wheel meets the housing. Compressor wheel inducer diameter not to exceed this value, and contours of wheel must be 'unstepped,' i.e. the contours must be continuous features from the inducer to the wheel exducer. All turbochargers must have a maximum turbine housing exducer diameter of 3.111 inches, measured at the point where the exducer edge of the turbine wheel meets the turbine housing.
6 cylinder, twin turbo applications limited to a maximum 58 mm turbo, where the maximum compressor housing inducer diameter is 59.78 mm, measured at the point where the leading edge of the compressor wheel meets the housing. Compressor wheel inducer diameter not to exceed this value, and contours of wheel must be 'unstepped,' i.e. the contours must be continuous features from the inducer to the wheel exducer. All turbochargers must have a maximum turbine housing exducer diameter of 2.825 inches, measured at the point where the exducer edge of the turbine wheel meets the turbine housing.
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PRO FWD
Minimum weights
FWD 4-cylinder, Ecotec (1 power adder) 1,850
FWD 4-cylinder (1 power adder) 1,750
FWD 4-cylinder, Ecotec (2 power adders) 1,950
FWD 4-cylinder (2 power adders) 1,850
Engine
If longitudinal orientation is used, engine may be located in front of, or behind transmission.
Engine diaper or catch pan device to capture oil and debris in event of engine failure, mandatory. If catch pan device is used, catch pan must employ minimum1-inch high lips on all sides. Lips must be coved or curved inward, so as to contain oil in pan. 1-inch lips are a minimum. In all cases, lips must be adequate enough to contain oil in the catch pan. Should a competitor spill oil from the catch pan onto the track, he/she may be disqualified from further competition until catch pan is upgraded, regardless of height of pan lips or pan design.
Turbocharger
Maximum inlet diameters will be established based on engine type and on-track performance. Exact dimensions to be determined. Final decision will be reached shortly.
Driveline
"V-drive" configuration accepted under the following criteria. Where the V-drive is located behind the engine and in close proximity to the driver, the following are mandatory:
1. An SFI spec 4.1 transmission blanket that completely surrounds the V-drive unit.
2. 1/16 inch steel, or 1/8 inch aluminum plate that extends 6 inches in front of and 6 inches behind the V-drive unit, on both sides and on top of the unit. Can be a formed piece, or can be separate plates that attach to the frame rails on either side of, and on top of, the unit.
3. Driveshaft(s) must have a full 360 degree cover of minimum .050 inch wall thickness chrome moly material only. Cover must extend over the coupler.
4. V-drive unit must be securely mounted to frame on top and bottom.
Where the V-drive unit and transmission are located in front of the engine, the following are mandatory:
1. An SFI spec 4.1 transmission blanket that completely surrounds the V-drive unit.
2. Each end of driveshaft(s) must have 360 degree driveshaft loops within 6 inches of u-joint/coupler. Driveshaft loop must attach to chassis with minimum ¼ inch push/pull pins.
3. V-drive unit must be securely mounted to frame on top and bottom, or in such a manner to prevent unit from rotating.
Transmission, manual
Transmission must be NHRA accepted. Non-accepted transmission subject to weight penalty. Parameters for acceptance to be determined.
Tires
Drive tires must be DOT or racing slicks with a maximum width of 11.5 inches and a maximum rollout of 99.0 inches. Drive tires larger than either dimension permitted, up to a maximum width of 15.0 inches and a maximum rollout of 106.0 inches, with 250 pound weight penalty. Non-drive tires must be for automotive use with a minimum width of 3-inches.
Body
Body must retain rocker panels
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PRO RWD
Engine
Engine diaper or catch pan device to capture oil and debris in event of engine failure, mandatory. If catch pan device is used, catch pan must employ minimum1-inch high lips on all sides. Lips must be coved or curved inward, so as to contain oil in pan. 1-inch lips are a minimum. In all cases, lips must be adequate enough to contain oil in the catch pan. Should a competitor spill oil from the catch pan onto the track, he/she may be disqualified from further competition until catch pan is upgraded, regardless of height of pan lips or pan design.
Body
Body must retain rocker panels.
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SPORT FWD
Minimum weights
4 cyl (1 power adder) 2400
4 cyl (2 power adder) 2500
Engine
Intercooler must be air to air only. CO2 or NOS is permitted as a cooling medium in place of water in liquid intercooler, but will count as a second power adder; i.e. if CO2 or NOS is used as an intercooler medium, NOS may NOT be used in the engine. OEM liquid intercooler permitted only if OEM engine and OEM power adder is used.
Turbocharger
Restricted to a single turbocharger. Turbocharger must utilize a turbine housing inlet flange commonly referred to as a T04. The turbine housing inlet flange may be smaller, but may never exceed the T04 dimensions in any direction. Limited to a maximum 72 mm turbo, where the maximum compressor housing inducer diameter is 72.78 mm, measured at the point where the leading edge of the compressor wheel meets the housing. Compressor wheel inducer diameter not to exceed this value, and contours of wheel must be 'unstepped,' i.e. the contours must be continuous features from the inducer to the wheel exducer. All turbochargers must have a maximum turbine housing exducer diameter of 3.111 inches, measured at the point where the exducer edge of the turbine wheel meets the turbine housing.
Transmission
Transmission must be OEM for engine used.
Tires
DOT or racing slicks permitted with a maximum width of 9.0 inches and maximum height of 25.0 inches. Retreads, space saver spares, or any other non-DOT approved tire prohibited.
Electrical system
OEM 12 volt system mandatory. 16 volt batteries/electrical system prohibited.
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SPORT RWD
Minimum weights
4 cyl RWD (1 power adder) 2600 pounds
4 cyl RWD (2 power adders) 2700 pounds
4 cyl AWD (1 power adder) 3000 pounds
4 cyl AWD (2 power adders) 3100 pounds
2 rotor RWD (1 power adder) 2600 pounds
2 rotor RWD (2 power adders) 2700 pounds
6 cyl RWD or AWD (1 power adder) 3500 pounds
6 cyl RWD or AWD (2 power adders) 3650 pounds
Engine
Intercooler must be air to air only. CO2 or NOS is permitted as a cooling medium in place of water in liquid intercooler, but will count as a second power adder; i.e. if CO2 or NOS is used as an intercooler medium, NOS may NOT be used in the engine. OEM liquid intercooler permitted only if OEM engine and OEM power adder is used.
Transmission
Transmission must be from same manufacturer, no crossbreeding; i.e. Mazda/Ford, Toyota/GM, etc.
Rearend
OEM rearend mandatory.
Electrical
OEM 12 volt system mandatory. 16 volt batteries/electrical system prohibited.
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STREET STOCK
A new Sportsman level, heads up class for All Motor, street legal cars. Basically a Sport FWD class with no power adders and no slicks.
Designed for full-bodied, street legal cars with full exhaust and interior. Valid DOT registration and license plates mandatory.
4 cyl or 6 cyl FWD platform only. AWD, RWD prohibited.
Minimum weight 4 cylinder = 2,350 pounds, maximum displacement 2.4 liter
Minimum weight 6 cylinder = 2,650 pounds, maximum displacement 2.8 liter
Naturally aspirated only. Power adders of any kind prohibited. Single throttle body only. Dry sumps, vacuum pumps, prohibited.
Engine swap permitted, engine must be from same manufacturer as body. Transmission must be OEM for engine used. OEM engine mounting points mandatory. Maximum displacement 2.8 liters.
DOT approved radial tires, front and rear, mandatory. All tires must be warranted or recommended for HWY or Street use. Rear "skinnies" prohibited. Maximum drive tire diameter 25". Maximum drive tire width 225.
Wheels must be DOT approved. Off-road wheels prohibited. Spindle mounts prohibited.
Complete interior, including dashboard, door panels, headliner, etc. mandatory. Two matching, upholstered front seats mandatory. Rear seat may be removed but all other upholstery and panels must remain in place. All factory controls must be retained and operative; i.e. lights, signals, horn, windows and wipers. Aftermarket front seats permitted, but must be fully upholstered.
Complete, OEM body structure mandatory, including floorpan, firewall, strut towers, wheel houses, etc. Lightweight body panels limited to hood and hatch or deck lid. Modifications to wheel openings prohibited. Must retain OEM glass.
Complete, operative OEM suspension mandatory front and rear. Bolt -on traction devices permitted. Control arms, strut mounting points, etc, must be OEM, front and rear. Aftermarket springs and struts, including coil overs, permitted, but must utilize original OEM mounting points.
Modified by Rboosted717 at 6:03 PM 12/21/2004
2005 rule change revisions announced
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12.21.2004
A revised summary of rule changes to the NHRA Summit Sport Compact Drag Racing 2005 Rulebook has been released. From the previous release on Dec. 8, 2004, please note changes to: Hot Rod, Modified and Sport FWD turbocharger rules, Pro FWD minimum weight and tire rules, and Sport FWD and Sport RWD intercooler rules. The entire 2005 Rulebook will be available on nhrasportcompact.com shortly, and printed copies will be mailed to NHRA Sport Compact Members shortly after the first of the year. Questions and comments may be sent to Jim Skelly, Racing Competition Director at jskelly@nhra.com, or to the NHRA Tech Department at pcvengros@nhra.com.
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PROPER USAGE OF RULEBOOK
Additional safety equipment or safety-enhancing equipment is always permitted and the levels of safety equipment stated in this Rulebook are minimum prescribed levels for a particular type of competition and do not prohibit the individual racer from using additional safety equipment. In disputed cases, whether an item of equipment is safety-enhancing or performance-enhancing will be determined by NHRA in NHRA's sole and absolute discretion.
On the other hand, as to performance equipment, it is the general rule that unless optional performance equipment or performance-related modification is specifically permitted by this Rulebook, it is prohibited. All model, engine or equipment changes or modifications not specifically addressed in this Rulebook must be submitted in writing to NHRA for consideration prior to competition. Approval will be granted or denied in NHRA's sole and absolute discretion. The applicant will be notified of approval or rejection from NHRA headquarters in Glendora, Calif.
Unauthorized cars, parts, and/or equipment will not be considered approved by reason of having passed through technical inspection at any time, or any number of times. Moreover, having passed through technical inspection at any time, or any number of times, is not a defense to a violation found on further inspection.
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ALL MOTOR
Engine
Engine diaper or catch pan device to capture oil and debris in event of engine failure, mandatory. Where exhaust header passes directly under oil pan, two piece diaper may be utilized. FWD vehicles using OEM manual transmission case must also have such a device for the transmission, to capture oil and debris in event of transmission failure. If catch pan device is used, catch pan must employ minimum1-inch high lips on all sides. Lips must be coved or curved inward, so as to contain oil in pan. 1-inch high lips are a minimum. In all cases, lips must be adequate enough to contain oil in the catch pan. Should a competitor spill oil from the catch pan onto the track, he/she may be disqualified from further competition until catch pan is upgraded, regardless of height of pan lips or pan design.
Minimum weights (FWD 4 Cyl)
Up to 2.2 1,625 pounds
2.21 to 2.4 1,675 pounds
2.41 to 2.6 1,725 pounds
Clutch
The use of slider, adjustable or any "pro stock type" clutch prohibited.
No changes to RWD or Air Cooled minimum weights.
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HOT ROD
Engine
Engine diaper or catch pan device to capture oil and debris in event of engine failure, mandatory. Where exhaust header passes directly under oil pan, two piece diaper may be utilized. Any vehicle using an OEM manual transmission case must also have such a device for the transmission to capture oil and debris in event of transmission failure. If catch pan device is used, catch pan must employ minimum1-inch high lips on all sides. Lips must be coved or curved inward, so as to contain oil in pan. 1-inch lips are a minimum. In all cases, lips must be adequate enough to contain oil in the catch pan. Should a competitor spill oil from the catch pan onto the track, he/she may be disqualified from further competition until catch pan is upgraded, regardless of height of pan lips or pan design.
Turbocharger
All turbochargers must utilize a turbine housing inlet flange commonly referred to as a T04. The turbine housing inlet flange may be smaller, but may never exceed the T04 dimensions in any direction. All turbochargers must have a maximum turbine housing exducer diameter of 3.111 inches, measured at the point where the exducer edge of the turbine wheel meets the turbine housing.
Ecotec engine limited to maximum 70 mm turbo, where the maximum compressor housing inducer diameter is 71.78 mm, measured at the point where the leading edge of the compressor wheel meets the housing. Compressor wheel inducer diameter not to exceed this value, and contours of wheel must be 'unstepped,' i.e. the contours must be continuous features from the inducer to the wheel exducer.
All other engines limited to a maximum 74 mm turbo, where the maximum compressor housing inducer diameter is 75.85 mm, measured at the point where the leading edge of the compressor wheel meets the housing. Compressor wheel inducer diameter not to exceed this value, and contours of wheel must be 'unstepped,' i.e. the contours must be continuous features from the inducer to the wheel exducer
Clutch
The use of slider, adjustable or any "pro stock type" clutch prohibited.
Body
Chopped roof prohibited on any car constructed after 10/1/04. Existing cars will be permitted in competition for 2005 season, however, competitor must have provided documentation that car was completed prior to 10/1/04 by way of photographs received at NHRA Headquarters in Glendora on or before 10/1/04.
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MODIFIED
Minimum weights
RWD or AWD 2 rotor (1 or 2 power adders) 2,000 pounds
RWD or AWD 3 rotor (1 or 2 power adders) 2,500 pounds
RWD or AWD 6 cylinder (1 power adder only) 2,800 pounds
Engine
Engine diaper or catch pan device to capture oil and debris in event of engine failure, mandatory. If catch pan device is used, catch pan must employ minimum1-inch high lips on all sides. Lips must be coved or curved inward, so as to contain oil in pan. 1-inch lips are a minimum. In all cases, lips must be adequate enough to contain oil in the catch pan. Should a competitor spill oil from the catch pan onto the track, he/she may be disqualified from further competition until catch pan is upgraded, regardless of height of pan lips or pan design.
Fuel
Use of methanol permitted on 6 cylinder engines.
Turbocharger
All 6 cylinder turbochargers must utilize a turbine housing inlet flange commonly referred to as a T04. The turbine housing inlet flange may be smaller, but may never exceed the T04 dimensions in any direction.
6 Cylinder, single turbo applications limited to a maximum 74 mm turbo, where the maximum compressor housing inducer diameter is 75.85 mm, measured at the point where the leading edge of the compressor wheel meets the housing. Compressor wheel inducer diameter not to exceed this value, and contours of wheel must be 'unstepped,' i.e. the contours must be continuous features from the inducer to the wheel exducer. All turbochargers must have a maximum turbine housing exducer diameter of 3.111 inches, measured at the point where the exducer edge of the turbine wheel meets the turbine housing.
6 cylinder, twin turbo applications limited to a maximum 58 mm turbo, where the maximum compressor housing inducer diameter is 59.78 mm, measured at the point where the leading edge of the compressor wheel meets the housing. Compressor wheel inducer diameter not to exceed this value, and contours of wheel must be 'unstepped,' i.e. the contours must be continuous features from the inducer to the wheel exducer. All turbochargers must have a maximum turbine housing exducer diameter of 2.825 inches, measured at the point where the exducer edge of the turbine wheel meets the turbine housing.
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PRO FWD
Minimum weights
FWD 4-cylinder, Ecotec (1 power adder) 1,850
FWD 4-cylinder (1 power adder) 1,750
FWD 4-cylinder, Ecotec (2 power adders) 1,950
FWD 4-cylinder (2 power adders) 1,850
Engine
If longitudinal orientation is used, engine may be located in front of, or behind transmission.
Engine diaper or catch pan device to capture oil and debris in event of engine failure, mandatory. If catch pan device is used, catch pan must employ minimum1-inch high lips on all sides. Lips must be coved or curved inward, so as to contain oil in pan. 1-inch lips are a minimum. In all cases, lips must be adequate enough to contain oil in the catch pan. Should a competitor spill oil from the catch pan onto the track, he/she may be disqualified from further competition until catch pan is upgraded, regardless of height of pan lips or pan design.
Turbocharger
Maximum inlet diameters will be established based on engine type and on-track performance. Exact dimensions to be determined. Final decision will be reached shortly.
Driveline
"V-drive" configuration accepted under the following criteria. Where the V-drive is located behind the engine and in close proximity to the driver, the following are mandatory:
1. An SFI spec 4.1 transmission blanket that completely surrounds the V-drive unit.
2. 1/16 inch steel, or 1/8 inch aluminum plate that extends 6 inches in front of and 6 inches behind the V-drive unit, on both sides and on top of the unit. Can be a formed piece, or can be separate plates that attach to the frame rails on either side of, and on top of, the unit.
3. Driveshaft(s) must have a full 360 degree cover of minimum .050 inch wall thickness chrome moly material only. Cover must extend over the coupler.
4. V-drive unit must be securely mounted to frame on top and bottom.
Where the V-drive unit and transmission are located in front of the engine, the following are mandatory:
1. An SFI spec 4.1 transmission blanket that completely surrounds the V-drive unit.
2. Each end of driveshaft(s) must have 360 degree driveshaft loops within 6 inches of u-joint/coupler. Driveshaft loop must attach to chassis with minimum ¼ inch push/pull pins.
3. V-drive unit must be securely mounted to frame on top and bottom, or in such a manner to prevent unit from rotating.
Transmission, manual
Transmission must be NHRA accepted. Non-accepted transmission subject to weight penalty. Parameters for acceptance to be determined.
Tires
Drive tires must be DOT or racing slicks with a maximum width of 11.5 inches and a maximum rollout of 99.0 inches. Drive tires larger than either dimension permitted, up to a maximum width of 15.0 inches and a maximum rollout of 106.0 inches, with 250 pound weight penalty. Non-drive tires must be for automotive use with a minimum width of 3-inches.
Body
Body must retain rocker panels
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PRO RWD
Engine
Engine diaper or catch pan device to capture oil and debris in event of engine failure, mandatory. If catch pan device is used, catch pan must employ minimum1-inch high lips on all sides. Lips must be coved or curved inward, so as to contain oil in pan. 1-inch lips are a minimum. In all cases, lips must be adequate enough to contain oil in the catch pan. Should a competitor spill oil from the catch pan onto the track, he/she may be disqualified from further competition until catch pan is upgraded, regardless of height of pan lips or pan design.
Body
Body must retain rocker panels.
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SPORT FWD
Minimum weights
4 cyl (1 power adder) 2400
4 cyl (2 power adder) 2500
Engine
Intercooler must be air to air only. CO2 or NOS is permitted as a cooling medium in place of water in liquid intercooler, but will count as a second power adder; i.e. if CO2 or NOS is used as an intercooler medium, NOS may NOT be used in the engine. OEM liquid intercooler permitted only if OEM engine and OEM power adder is used.
Turbocharger
Restricted to a single turbocharger. Turbocharger must utilize a turbine housing inlet flange commonly referred to as a T04. The turbine housing inlet flange may be smaller, but may never exceed the T04 dimensions in any direction. Limited to a maximum 72 mm turbo, where the maximum compressor housing inducer diameter is 72.78 mm, measured at the point where the leading edge of the compressor wheel meets the housing. Compressor wheel inducer diameter not to exceed this value, and contours of wheel must be 'unstepped,' i.e. the contours must be continuous features from the inducer to the wheel exducer. All turbochargers must have a maximum turbine housing exducer diameter of 3.111 inches, measured at the point where the exducer edge of the turbine wheel meets the turbine housing.
Transmission
Transmission must be OEM for engine used.
Tires
DOT or racing slicks permitted with a maximum width of 9.0 inches and maximum height of 25.0 inches. Retreads, space saver spares, or any other non-DOT approved tire prohibited.
Electrical system
OEM 12 volt system mandatory. 16 volt batteries/electrical system prohibited.
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SPORT RWD
Minimum weights
4 cyl RWD (1 power adder) 2600 pounds
4 cyl RWD (2 power adders) 2700 pounds
4 cyl AWD (1 power adder) 3000 pounds
4 cyl AWD (2 power adders) 3100 pounds
2 rotor RWD (1 power adder) 2600 pounds
2 rotor RWD (2 power adders) 2700 pounds
6 cyl RWD or AWD (1 power adder) 3500 pounds
6 cyl RWD or AWD (2 power adders) 3650 pounds
Engine
Intercooler must be air to air only. CO2 or NOS is permitted as a cooling medium in place of water in liquid intercooler, but will count as a second power adder; i.e. if CO2 or NOS is used as an intercooler medium, NOS may NOT be used in the engine. OEM liquid intercooler permitted only if OEM engine and OEM power adder is used.
Transmission
Transmission must be from same manufacturer, no crossbreeding; i.e. Mazda/Ford, Toyota/GM, etc.
Rearend
OEM rearend mandatory.
Electrical
OEM 12 volt system mandatory. 16 volt batteries/electrical system prohibited.
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STREET STOCK
A new Sportsman level, heads up class for All Motor, street legal cars. Basically a Sport FWD class with no power adders and no slicks.
Designed for full-bodied, street legal cars with full exhaust and interior. Valid DOT registration and license plates mandatory.
4 cyl or 6 cyl FWD platform only. AWD, RWD prohibited.
Minimum weight 4 cylinder = 2,350 pounds, maximum displacement 2.4 liter
Minimum weight 6 cylinder = 2,650 pounds, maximum displacement 2.8 liter
Naturally aspirated only. Power adders of any kind prohibited. Single throttle body only. Dry sumps, vacuum pumps, prohibited.
Engine swap permitted, engine must be from same manufacturer as body. Transmission must be OEM for engine used. OEM engine mounting points mandatory. Maximum displacement 2.8 liters.
DOT approved radial tires, front and rear, mandatory. All tires must be warranted or recommended for HWY or Street use. Rear "skinnies" prohibited. Maximum drive tire diameter 25". Maximum drive tire width 225.
Wheels must be DOT approved. Off-road wheels prohibited. Spindle mounts prohibited.
Complete interior, including dashboard, door panels, headliner, etc. mandatory. Two matching, upholstered front seats mandatory. Rear seat may be removed but all other upholstery and panels must remain in place. All factory controls must be retained and operative; i.e. lights, signals, horn, windows and wipers. Aftermarket front seats permitted, but must be fully upholstered.
Complete, OEM body structure mandatory, including floorpan, firewall, strut towers, wheel houses, etc. Lightweight body panels limited to hood and hatch or deck lid. Modifications to wheel openings prohibited. Must retain OEM glass.
Complete, operative OEM suspension mandatory front and rear. Bolt -on traction devices permitted. Control arms, strut mounting points, etc, must be OEM, front and rear. Aftermarket springs and struts, including coil overs, permitted, but must utilize original OEM mounting points.
Modified by Rboosted717 at 6:03 PM 12/21/2004
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Re: NHRA 2005 rule changes released (Rboosted717)
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a maximum width of 9.0 inches and maximum height of 25.0 inches. Retreads, space saver spares, or any other non-DOT approved tire prohibited. </TD></TR></TABLE>
a maximum width of 9.0 inches and maximum height of 25.0 inches. Retreads, space saver spares, or any other non-DOT approved tire prohibited. </TD></TR></TABLE>
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Re: NHRA 2005 rule changes released (Rhman19)
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I don't think the turbo restriction will hurt anyone
I don't think the turbo restriction will hurt anyone
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Re: NHRA 2005 rule changes released (Jared)
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I don't think the turbo restriction will hurt anyone</TD></TR></TABLE>
I don't think the turbo restriction will hurt anyone</TD></TR></TABLE>
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Re: NHRA 2005 rule changes released (Jared)
Looks like 25x8.7x13 will be the new class size.
IMO they should still allow 26" for the 15" wheel guys. A 15" 26 slick is not that much better (actually worse) then a 13" 25 slick. But whatever, just gonna have to go to a 13" now oh well.
IMO they should still allow 26" for the 15" wheel guys. A 15" 26 slick is not that much better (actually worse) then a 13" 25 slick. But whatever, just gonna have to go to a 13" now oh well.
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Re: NHRA 2005 rule changes released (Jared)
see, the turbo limit for sport fwd is still pretty damn big. people were bitching about this even before the rule came out. jim, what's w/ the 6cyl. restrictions in modified class. 74mm single and 58mm twins, jesus those things are smaller than what 6cyl. cars run on the street. why'd you take away meth last year then give it back? you should've just banned meth for 6cyl. and let them have the bigger turbos. this is stupid, cuz the 4cyl. modified cars have no restrictions so guys like the topletzs and ali are gonna come out w/ monster turbos and kill everyone then you're gonna have to go give more power back to the 6cyl. cars. then the 6cyl. guys gotta buy new turbos again, it's a never ending hassle. why don't you guys put some thought foresight into your rulemaking for once.
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Re: NHRA 2005 rule changes released (30psiCiv)
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you disagree? i dont know if anyone was running anything bigger than that, and if they were, they didnt need it.
</TD></TR></TABLE>you disagree? i dont know if anyone was running anything bigger than that, and if they were, they didnt need it.
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Re: NHRA 2005 rule changes released (Jared)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jared »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't think the turbo restriction will hurt anyone</TD></TR></TABLE>
Very few, but I think a couple are. The slicks change is a bigger deal to me. B
Very few, but I think a couple are. The slicks change is a bigger deal to me. B
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Re: NHRA 2005 rule changes released (Rhman19)
Street Stock seems to be tailored specifically to hondas? The wieght is perfect for a swapped H22 hatch for example. What other fwd cars are there that are out there that would be competitive with a swapped hatch given the class restrictions?
Also, Srwd, OEM rear end manditory? Out of curiousity does that mean 100% stock OEM rear end for the car thats running? Not even an upgraded lsd? Or is that more a "no putting a 9 inch in it" rule?
Also, Srwd, OEM rear end manditory? Out of curiousity does that mean 100% stock OEM rear end for the car thats running? Not even an upgraded lsd? Or is that more a "no putting a 9 inch in it" rule?
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hmm lets see NHRA retricted turbo size last year
and Paul still went faster
so time to make it even smaller to slow him down
Easy street has not run yet
so how can you say they will detroy the class?
Thats the same BS they said when Abel went to a 3 rotor they told NHRA that will be a class killer and what happened?
Theres no way the 4cyl and the 2 rotors can compete the way things was last year
You want only a Vinni and Paul duel in modifed
and no other cars show up?
same thing happened with the V8 class
only Paisley and scranton ... how boring
till they killed
Modified needs more cars period
they need to slow down the 6cyls
and Paul still went faster
so time to make it even smaller to slow him down
Easy street has not run yet
so how can you say they will detroy the class?
Thats the same BS they said when Abel went to a 3 rotor they told NHRA that will be a class killer and what happened?
Theres no way the 4cyl and the 2 rotors can compete the way things was last year
You want only a Vinni and Paul duel in modifed
and no other cars show up?
same thing happened with the V8 class
only Paisley and scranton ... how boring
till they killed
Modified needs more cars period
they need to slow down the 6cyls
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pro fwd has less cars than modified, no one's slowing them down. why not leave the 6cyl. alone and let everyone else catch up. tnt's gonna run a 2.8l 4cyl. w/ a monster 88mm turbo, how's a 3.0l 6 cyl. supposed to match that when they have to run tiny peashooter turbos, they have to wegh 800lbs. more, and they have almost the same displacement. hartford ran 7.80s 3 years ago so it's never been a lack of power for smaller engines. this class is being slowed down simply because the rotaries can't keep up. all the piston powered cars in every class have evolved to run quicker, but the rotaries have just stayed the same. abel's a joke, and the gonzales's run slower than hot rod. why punish the 6 cyl. cars for their success?
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Re: NHRA 2005 rule changes released (dahatch)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dahatch »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">looks like they pretty much oulawed jasons coupe 
i hate rules</TD></TR></TABLE>
They didn't outlaw Jason's coupe, they outlawed any competitive 15" wheel setup. No good sizes in 15" which are 25" or 9" tires. Looks like M&H will have a good year since they have the best 13" tire setup thats legal.
The rule should read "maximum width of 9.0 inches and maximum height of 26.0 inches. It will be equal and safe for both 13" wheel and 15 wheel setups since they have equal tire setups:
25x8.7x13 (M&H)
26x9x15 (Hoosier)
26x8.5x15 (M&H and Mickey Thompson)
Very fair playing field since the 13" wheel will have a 1" larger side wall, but a .3 smaller width against a 15" max tire setup. Very fair for all IMO...
Modified by Rboosted717 at 11:14 PM 12/8/2004
i hate rules</TD></TR></TABLE>They didn't outlaw Jason's coupe, they outlawed any competitive 15" wheel setup. No good sizes in 15" which are 25" or 9" tires. Looks like M&H will have a good year since they have the best 13" tire setup thats legal.
The rule should read "maximum width of 9.0 inches and maximum height of 26.0 inches. It will be equal and safe for both 13" wheel and 15 wheel setups since they have equal tire setups:
25x8.7x13 (M&H)
26x9x15 (Hoosier)
26x8.5x15 (M&H and Mickey Thompson)
Very fair playing field since the 13" wheel will have a 1" larger side wall, but a .3 smaller width against a 15" max tire setup. Very fair for all IMO...
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Re: NHRA 2005 rule changes released (Rboosted717)
what 4 cyl give Paul a run for his money last year?
None!
Rosado racing did not come out and compete all last year
Extreme MotorSports corrolla was no competition
who
Brent is illegal in NHRA
1400+ HP vs 700-900 4cyl/2 rotor
Carlos car was several hundred pounds over weight
but where was he going to take the weight off from?
He tried everything to make the car lighter but the chassis did not permit it
as for Hartford car that was a FULL CHASSIS car that was "skinned" to be in modified and was forced to move into a diffrent class
None!
Rosado racing did not come out and compete all last year
Extreme MotorSports corrolla was no competition
who
Brent is illegal in NHRA
1400+ HP vs 700-900 4cyl/2 rotor
Carlos car was several hundred pounds over weight
but where was he going to take the weight off from?
He tried everything to make the car lighter but the chassis did not permit it
as for Hartford car that was a FULL CHASSIS car that was "skinned" to be in modified and was forced to move into a diffrent class
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Re: NHRA 2005 rule changes released (TurboMiata)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TurboMiata »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Street Stock seems to be tailored specifically to hondas? The wieght is perfect for a swapped H22 hatch for example. What other fwd cars are there that are out there that would be competitive with a swapped hatch given the class restrictions?
Also, Srwd, OEM rear end manditory? Out of curiousity does that mean 100% stock OEM rear end for the car thats running? Not even an upgraded lsd? Or is that more a "no putting a 9 inch in it" rule?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Unless NHRA changes their weights, a Miata will never be able to race in Sport RWD. I'd have to cram 2-3 dead bodies in my trunk!
Marc
Also, Srwd, OEM rear end manditory? Out of curiousity does that mean 100% stock OEM rear end for the car thats running? Not even an upgraded lsd? Or is that more a "no putting a 9 inch in it" rule?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Unless NHRA changes their weights, a Miata will never be able to race in Sport RWD. I'd have to cram 2-3 dead bodies in my trunk!
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Re: NHRA 2005 rule changes released (Project-D)
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Unless NHRA changes their weights, a Miata will never be able to race in Sport RWD. I'd have to cram 2-3 dead bodies in my trunk!
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hehe, I wasnt really thinking about running the miata in Srwd, I had similiar thoughts about the weight when I saw them posted about the miata. Add to that I dont have the money to follow the nhra around the country to run anyway....
I was thinking more along the lines of "alot of oem rear diffs wont stand up to 10-11 second runs very well", so where does that leave them?
Unless NHRA changes their weights, a Miata will never be able to race in Sport RWD. I'd have to cram 2-3 dead bodies in my trunk!
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hehe, I wasnt really thinking about running the miata in Srwd, I had similiar thoughts about the weight when I saw them posted about the miata. Add to that I dont have the money to follow the nhra around the country to run anyway....
I was thinking more along the lines of "alot of oem rear diffs wont stand up to 10-11 second runs very well", so where does that leave them?
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Re: NHRA 2005 rule changes released (Rboosted717)
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They didn't outlaw Jason's coupe, they outlawed any competitive 15" wheel car setup. No good sizes in 15" which are 25" or 9" tires.</TD></TR></TABLE>the rules whont slow the crxs down one bit but they will hurt the heavey cars i little with the slick/turbo rules
They didn't outlaw Jason's coupe, they outlawed any competitive 15" wheel car setup. No good sizes in 15" which are 25" or 9" tires.</TD></TR></TABLE>the rules whont slow the crxs down one bit but they will hurt the heavey cars i little with the slick/turbo rules
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Re: NHRA 2005 rule changes released (Rboosted717)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rboosted717 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Looks like 25x8.7x13 will be the new class size.
IMO they should still allow 26" for the 15" wheel guys. A 15" 26 slick is not that much better (actually worse) then a 13" 25 slick. But whatever, just gonna have to go to a 13" now oh well.</TD></TR></TABLE>
they dont make 26s for a 13 rim dude.
IMO they should still allow 26" for the 15" wheel guys. A 15" 26 slick is not that much better (actually worse) then a 13" 25 slick. But whatever, just gonna have to go to a 13" now oh well.</TD></TR></TABLE>
they dont make 26s for a 13 rim dude.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by poorguy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">pro fwd has less cars than modified, no one's slowing them down. why not leave the 6cyl. alone and let everyone else catch up. tnt's gonna run a 2.8l 4cyl. w/ a monster 88mm turbo, how's a 3.0l 6 cyl. supposed to match that when they have to run tiny peashooter turbos, they have to wegh 800lbs. more, and they have almost the same displacement. hartford ran 7.80s 3 years ago so it's never been a lack of power for smaller engines. this class is being slowed down simply because the rotaries can't keep up. all the piston powered cars in every class have evolved to run quicker, but the rotaries have just stayed the same. abel's a joke, and the gonzales's run slower than hot rod. why punish the 6 cyl. cars for their success?</TD></TR></TABLE>
I don't think it has anything to do with the rotaries. the rotary motor makes mad power in the right hands.
in all reality...there isn't that many rotaries that run in the modified class. and if the P.R. cars came over with the rotaries i think alot of peeps would be upset. them guys are fast. but anyways..... We run a 2.4 2RZ-FE in the modified class,we weigh around 2800 #'s and our best time has been 8.40's. i think all NHRA is doing is just making it a level playing feild.
And keep in mind. Vinny was running RACE GAS and has the record with single and twin turbos.
I just don't understand why people always have to complain about the rules instead of just trying to adapt to them and make it work in their favor.it seems to me that certain people always want the easy route instead of putting their brains to use.
I don't think it has anything to do with the rotaries. the rotary motor makes mad power in the right hands.
in all reality...there isn't that many rotaries that run in the modified class. and if the P.R. cars came over with the rotaries i think alot of peeps would be upset. them guys are fast. but anyways..... We run a 2.4 2RZ-FE in the modified class,we weigh around 2800 #'s and our best time has been 8.40's. i think all NHRA is doing is just making it a level playing feild.
And keep in mind. Vinny was running RACE GAS and has the record with single and twin turbos.
I just don't understand why people always have to complain about the rules instead of just trying to adapt to them and make it work in their favor.it seems to me that certain people always want the easy route instead of putting their brains to use.
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The rules are going to hurt paul too...
I think he was running a a large frame, like T06 setup...He's gotta step down to a Full T4...that's going to hurt power bad...
I think he was running a a large frame, like T06 setup...He's gotta step down to a Full T4...that's going to hurt power bad...
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Re: NHRA 2005 rule changes released (Suprdave)
Yeah I know, for 13" the best you can run which is available is a 25x8.7x13
However if they allow a 26" tire a 13" wheel will still have to run the 25x8.7x13 (no 26” tires for 13” wheels on the market currently), however people will be able to run a 15" wheel which would be 26x9x15 (Hoosier) or 26x8.5x15 (M&H or MT).
13" wheels would have a 1" sidewall advantage, but a .3 width disadvantage.
IMO that’s a fair, close call for both setups.
However if they allow a 26" tire a 13" wheel will still have to run the 25x8.7x13 (no 26” tires for 13” wheels on the market currently), however people will be able to run a 15" wheel which would be 26x9x15 (Hoosier) or 26x8.5x15 (M&H or MT).
13" wheels would have a 1" sidewall advantage, but a .3 width disadvantage.
IMO that’s a fair, close call for both setups.
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Re: NHRA 2005 rule changes released (misfertech)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by misfertech »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what 4 cyl give Paul a run for his money last year?
None!
Rosado racing did not come out and compete all last year
Extreme MotorSports corrolla was no competition
who
Brent is illegal in NHRA
1400+ HP vs 700-900 4cyl/2 rotor
Carlos car was several hundred pounds over weight
but where was he going to take the weight off from?
He tried everything to make the car lighter but the chassis did not permit it
as for Hartford car that was a FULL CHASSIS car that was "skinned" to be in modified and was forced to move into a diffrent class </TD></TR></TABLE>
Well.OUR CAR...... PARADISE RACING COROLLA not Extreme Motorsports(They Help us Alot....THANX SEAN!!!!) has been in a testing phase this year and was more about developement of the new motor program(2RZ-FE) than anything. Keep in mind we were still running the stock cammed and un ported and polished head.YES BONE STOCK!!!! and still netted 8.40's. And yes we may not run as fast as PAUL or the other guys, I can say that we have beaten every one in the Modiefied class and not because of the opposing red lighting. the only person we haven't beat is VINNY TEN. So at least give our program and crew some kind of credit.
None!
Rosado racing did not come out and compete all last year
Extreme MotorSports corrolla was no competition
who
Brent is illegal in NHRA
1400+ HP vs 700-900 4cyl/2 rotor
Carlos car was several hundred pounds over weight
but where was he going to take the weight off from?
He tried everything to make the car lighter but the chassis did not permit it
as for Hartford car that was a FULL CHASSIS car that was "skinned" to be in modified and was forced to move into a diffrent class </TD></TR></TABLE>
Well.OUR CAR...... PARADISE RACING COROLLA not Extreme Motorsports(They Help us Alot....THANX SEAN!!!!) has been in a testing phase this year and was more about developement of the new motor program(2RZ-FE) than anything. Keep in mind we were still running the stock cammed and un ported and polished head.YES BONE STOCK!!!! and still netted 8.40's. And yes we may not run as fast as PAUL or the other guys, I can say that we have beaten every one in the Modiefied class and not because of the opposing red lighting. the only person we haven't beat is VINNY TEN. So at least give our program and crew some kind of credit.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Suprdave »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The rules are going to hurt paul too...
I think he was running a a large frame, like T06 setup...He's gotta step down to a Full T4...that's going to hurt power bad...</TD></TR></TABLE>
i don't think it will really hurt them. those guys are so smart and talented that they will make the neccessary changes and still have a competitve car for next year. it'll just be a developmental process for everyone.
I think he was running a a large frame, like T06 setup...He's gotta step down to a Full T4...that's going to hurt power bad...</TD></TR></TABLE>
i don't think it will really hurt them. those guys are so smart and talented that they will make the neccessary changes and still have a competitve car for next year. it'll just be a developmental process for everyone.