b-series vs h22
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b-series vs h22
hey guys i need some opinion on what motor i should build for next season's event
I have an option between a b-series or a h22 which ever one i pick will get fully built ...just need to know which swap will be best for the buck shooting for 780+ BW S372 FTW
some questions I need to know about h22
1) do someone make a twindisk clutch for a h2b setup??????
2) stock a h22 head- vs -to a stock gsr head...for high boost
3) if I go with a full h22 set-up needs some tips on building it for 780= hp and what tranny to use
thank guys i'm so confuse i just need help
I have an option between a b-series or a h22 which ever one i pick will get fully built ...just need to know which swap will be best for the buck shooting for 780+ BW S372 FTW
some questions I need to know about h22
1) do someone make a twindisk clutch for a h2b setup??????
2) stock a h22 head- vs -to a stock gsr head...for high boost
3) if I go with a full h22 set-up needs some tips on building it for 780= hp and what tranny to use
thank guys i'm so confuse i just need help
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Re: b-series vs h22 (beasty=eg)
The H22 head flows about 25-30cfm more. For what you are doing I'd say the B series is easily proven by everyone here running crazy numbers, but I think there just aren't enough people trying the H motor. Side by side with the same setup, the H will make more power with less effort. I know guys that have made 800hp on setups so simple it is silly.
There are lots of twin disc clutches available and you could run the Liberty if you run the B series tranny. The H tranny is strong though, and the Liberty H tranny is about to be released pretty soon.
There are lots of twin disc clutches available and you could run the Liberty if you run the B series tranny. The H tranny is strong though, and the Liberty H tranny is about to be released pretty soon.
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I have driven my car with both B and H series. The B is proven and there are soo many parts for it, 4 Piston is right. For what you are trying to do the B is prob. fine. However the H is a Great motor.. The car feels way stonger with the H motor. It pulls much harder than the B ever could.
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Re: b-series vs h22 (4piston)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 4piston »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The H tranny is strong though, and the Liberty H tranny is about to be released pretty soon. </TD></TR></TABLE>
liberty H, thank god......
liberty H, thank god......
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Re: b-series vs h22 (streetracer6rpt)
B-series vs H-series you can't really compare those two motors in my opinion.
B can rev more than the H but H can make easy power with simplest set up.
Parts wise you can find about the same except transmission.
Liberty, M-factory and G-force makes alot of tranny's for B-series but I guess they are going to relase H-series thank god
H2=
I'm personally doing H2B turbo at the moment with B16 transmission.. we'll see how it goes
If you get QSD H2b kit, yes they do make Twin-disc kit for it. Just that QSD is very hard to get hold of....
B can rev more than the H but H can make easy power with simplest set up.
Parts wise you can find about the same except transmission.
Liberty, M-factory and G-force makes alot of tranny's for B-series but I guess they are going to relase H-series thank god
H2=
I'm personally doing H2B turbo at the moment with B16 transmission.. we'll see how it goes
If you get QSD H2b kit, yes they do make Twin-disc kit for it. Just that QSD is very hard to get hold of....
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Re: b-series vs h22 (beasty=eg)
If I had to do it over I'd to B series. There are so many more parts options for it. MSD distributor is the big one. with the H, you have to rely on a honda distributor which spark doesn't like at high boost. Then there's the transmission choices and exh. manifold choices. Also shift linkage on the B is nicer than the cable on the H. Axles like the B better than the H and engine bay room suffers a bit from the H as well.
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I dont know but unlike most people im a Hseries fan and after putting the h2b on my car im a bigger fan of it. What i love even more is the torque the motor makes on boost. right now the setup is at about 2.3and a half
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Re: b-series vs h22 (Mikey3000)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mikey3000 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If I had to do it over I'd to B series. There are so many more parts options for it. MSD distributor is the big one. with the H, you have to rely on a honda distributor which spark doesn't like at high boost. Then there's the transmission choices and exh. manifold choices. Also shift linkage on the B is nicer than the cable on the H. Axles like the B better than the H and engine bay room suffers a bit from the H as well.</TD></TR></TABLE>
It is certainly hard to convince people to go away from the B-Series when guys like Tony and a few others are running 9.10-9.30. He has a lot of time and money trying out new things, as do the others. Then you have what Eggum did on that motor.
If you were an engine builder from another sport and you decided to build a turbo Honda to make the most power possible and you looked at both motors side by side, it would be a no brainer. Bigger valves, better flow, more displacement, and a short stroke that can rev.
For guys that are going to try and build a SFWD car from a catalog by copying other people's stuff, the B series is probably the way to go. But there is not a shortage of parts for the H22. Crane has aluminum rockers with a catalog of different cams thanks to other racers, you can build a nice intake manifold for under $1000, a turbo manifold costs no extra, block parts are readily available. Your ignition problem can be fixed with individual coils, and the axles are only a problem on older mount designs that had the motor in the wrong place. The H tranny is very strong and there are now final drive and gear options....then you have the new Liberty coming out. If the same guys that are fast on the B were pushing the H, they would make more power. Would they go faster? I dunno. Traction could be more of an issue then what it already is.
We see a lot of guys put these 72mm turbos on their cars and make around 700 dynojet...not 850-900 like the top cars. An old school T3 on an H22 with stock head and cams will lay down over 700 on low boost.
It is certainly hard to convince people to go away from the B-Series when guys like Tony and a few others are running 9.10-9.30. He has a lot of time and money trying out new things, as do the others. Then you have what Eggum did on that motor.
If you were an engine builder from another sport and you decided to build a turbo Honda to make the most power possible and you looked at both motors side by side, it would be a no brainer. Bigger valves, better flow, more displacement, and a short stroke that can rev.
For guys that are going to try and build a SFWD car from a catalog by copying other people's stuff, the B series is probably the way to go. But there is not a shortage of parts for the H22. Crane has aluminum rockers with a catalog of different cams thanks to other racers, you can build a nice intake manifold for under $1000, a turbo manifold costs no extra, block parts are readily available. Your ignition problem can be fixed with individual coils, and the axles are only a problem on older mount designs that had the motor in the wrong place. The H tranny is very strong and there are now final drive and gear options....then you have the new Liberty coming out. If the same guys that are fast on the B were pushing the H, they would make more power. Would they go faster? I dunno. Traction could be more of an issue then what it already is.
We see a lot of guys put these 72mm turbos on their cars and make around 700 dynojet...not 850-900 like the top cars. An old school T3 on an H22 with stock head and cams will lay down over 700 on low boost.
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Re: b-series vs h22 (4piston)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 4piston »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
It is certainly hard to convince people to go away from the B-Series when guys like Tony and a few others are running 9.10-9.30. He has a lot of time and money trying out new things, as do the others. Then you have what Eggum did on that motor.
If you were an engine builder from another sport and you decided to build a turbo Honda to make the most power possible and you looked at both motors side by side, it would be a no brainer. Bigger valves, better flow, more displacement, and a short stroke that can rev.
For guys that are going to try and build a SFWD car from a catalog by copying other people's stuff, the B series is probably the way to go. But there is not a shortage of parts for the H22. Crane has aluminum rockers with a catalog of different cams thanks to other racers, you can build a nice intake manifold for under $1000, a turbo manifold costs no extra, block parts are readily available. Your ignition problem can be fixed with individual coils, and the axles are only a problem on older mount designs that had the motor in the wrong place. The H tranny is very strong and there are now final drive and gear options....then you have the new Liberty coming out. If the same guys that are fast on the B were pushing the H, they would make more power. Would they go faster? I dunno. Traction could be more of an issue then what it already is.
We see a lot of guys put these 72mm turbos on their cars and make around 700 dynojet...not 850-900 like the top cars. An old school T3 on an H22 with stock head and cams will lay down over 700 on low boost.</TD></TR></TABLE>
It is certainly hard to convince people to go away from the B-Series when guys like Tony and a few others are running 9.10-9.30. He has a lot of time and money trying out new things, as do the others. Then you have what Eggum did on that motor.
If you were an engine builder from another sport and you decided to build a turbo Honda to make the most power possible and you looked at both motors side by side, it would be a no brainer. Bigger valves, better flow, more displacement, and a short stroke that can rev.
For guys that are going to try and build a SFWD car from a catalog by copying other people's stuff, the B series is probably the way to go. But there is not a shortage of parts for the H22. Crane has aluminum rockers with a catalog of different cams thanks to other racers, you can build a nice intake manifold for under $1000, a turbo manifold costs no extra, block parts are readily available. Your ignition problem can be fixed with individual coils, and the axles are only a problem on older mount designs that had the motor in the wrong place. The H tranny is very strong and there are now final drive and gear options....then you have the new Liberty coming out. If the same guys that are fast on the B were pushing the H, they would make more power. Would they go faster? I dunno. Traction could be more of an issue then what it already is.
We see a lot of guys put these 72mm turbos on their cars and make around 700 dynojet...not 850-900 like the top cars. An old school T3 on an H22 with stock head and cams will lay down over 700 on low boost.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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Re: b-series vs h22 (95exdsmkilla)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by beasty=eg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hey guys i need some opinion on what motor i should build for next season's event
I have an option between a b-series or a h22 which ever one i pick will get fully built ...just need to know which swap will be best for the buck shooting for 780+ BW S372 FTW
some questions I need to know about h22
1) do someone make a twindisk clutch for a h2b setup??????
2) stock a h22 head- vs -to a stock gsr head...for high boost
3) if I go with a full h22 set-up needs some tips on building it for 780= hp and what tranny to use
thank guys i'm so confuse i just need help </TD></TR></TABLE>
I've got an H22 Dogbox Euro R trans with 4.78 Final drive for sale, and a Tilton Twin Disc also for sale that would go great with a boosted H22 setup.. CHEAP! pm me if you decide to go H22! i also have a Ported head and a bunch of other stuff for sale..
To run that much power you are going to need a dogbox trans. Good luck with whatever setup you decide to go with!
I have an option between a b-series or a h22 which ever one i pick will get fully built ...just need to know which swap will be best for the buck shooting for 780+ BW S372 FTW
some questions I need to know about h22
1) do someone make a twindisk clutch for a h2b setup??????
2) stock a h22 head- vs -to a stock gsr head...for high boost
3) if I go with a full h22 set-up needs some tips on building it for 780= hp and what tranny to use
thank guys i'm so confuse i just need help </TD></TR></TABLE>
I've got an H22 Dogbox Euro R trans with 4.78 Final drive for sale, and a Tilton Twin Disc also for sale that would go great with a boosted H22 setup.. CHEAP! pm me if you decide to go H22! i also have a Ported head and a bunch of other stuff for sale..
To run that much power you are going to need a dogbox trans. Good luck with whatever setup you decide to go with!
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Re: b-series vs h22 (AllMotorRandy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AllMotorRandy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Jojo Callos had a Pro FWD RSX that he opted to run an H22 powerplant in instead of a k-series. Tells you something about the potential of these motors....... </TD></TR></TABLE>
What did he ever run in that car. It was long and had lots of potential, but I don't remember how it ran.
</TD></TR></TABLE>What did he ever run in that car. It was long and had lots of potential, but I don't remember how it ran.
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Re: b-series vs h22 (4piston)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 4piston »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
What did he ever run in that car. It was long and had lots of potential, but I don't remember how it ran.</TD></TR></TABLE>
not too sure on what it ran exactly.... but i do know that the fortin tranny in there couldnt handle the power it made. heres a picture of the car for ol times sake....
What did he ever run in that car. It was long and had lots of potential, but I don't remember how it ran.</TD></TR></TABLE>
not too sure on what it ran exactly.... but i do know that the fortin tranny in there couldnt handle the power it made. heres a picture of the car for ol times sake....
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Re: b-series vs h22 (beasty=eg)
which ever ur choice is deff going to be a good car ..but like people suggested, h powered car would need a liberty trans and coil packs and alot other things that would be probably be over ur original buget maybe u was planing on using a stock b series trans like alot of people are doing. liberty, dog box, custom gears are expensive, yes u can make more power with the h series but how long would it last, b series been pruven over and over again.
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Re: b-series vs h22 (myrakle)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by myrakle »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">which ever ur choice is deff going to be a good car ..but like people suggested, h powered car would need a liberty trans and coil packs and alot other things that would be probably be over ur original buget maybe u was planing on using a stock b series trans like alot of people are doing. liberty, dog box, custom gears are expensive, yes u can make more power with the h series but how long would it last, b series been pruven over and over again.</TD></TR></TABLE>
or you could go H2B . I believe every motor is different, they can last 1k miles or 10000k miles its how they build it and maintain it.
B-series is def. proven but so did H on that RWD full chasis prelude with G-force transmission. I believe every car/motor could be fast if you have right amount of money and time. sorry to jack this thread.
I like H2B one sick set up!!!
or you could go H2B
. I believe every motor is different, they can last 1k miles or 10000k miles its how they build it and maintain it. B-series is def. proven
but so did H on that RWD full chasis prelude with G-force transmission. I believe every car/motor could be fast if you have right amount of money and time. sorry to jack this thread.I like H2B one sick set up!!!
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Jojo loved the H motor in his car. The motors make very nice power. Everyone forgets what all Steph did with the H motor and they weren't built all crazy and Lance Ho Lung turned in some good times. I'm pretty sure it was before the GT42 also.
I currently have an Evolution H2B and I love it!
I currently have an Evolution H2B and I love it!
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Re: b-series vs h22 (beasty=eg)
yes h2b is a nice set up but i think he wants a stock b series trans been that a g force it's expensive,,,how will hold up??? a gsr lsd, twin disk, cuff,,,whith torque the h series produce.
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Re: (2manySecCivic)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2manySecCivic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Jojo loved the H motor in his car. The motors make very nice power. Everyone forgets what all Steph did with the H motor and they weren't built all crazy and Lance Ho Lung turned in some good times. I'm pretty sure it was before the GT42 also.
I currently have an Evolution H2B and I love it!</TD></TR></TABLE>
i didnt know you went h now brian! that thing must be a beast!!! 
I currently have an Evolution H2B and I love it!</TD></TR></TABLE>
i didnt know you went h now brian! that thing must be a beast!!!
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Re: (AllMotorRandy)
Why not just run the H trans? They are as strong as any other Honda tranny and they shift fine if they are well maintained with the cables run properly.
MFactory has a 4.64 and 5.15 final drive to shorten things up.
MFactory has a 4.64 and 5.15 final drive to shorten things up.
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Re: (95exdsmkilla)
Here is a dyno chart of my Bullseye Power S372 standard cover powered H at around 32 psi:
The day after that went out and ran 5 consecutive 9 second passes with a stock H22 tranny with a Quaife.
The day after that went out and ran 5 consecutive 9 second passes with a stock H22 tranny with a Quaife.
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Re: (2manySecCivic)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2manySecCivic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Jojo loved the H motor in his car. The motors make very nice power. Everyone forgets what all Steph did with the H motor and they weren't built all crazy and Lance Ho Lung turned in some good times. I'm pretty sure it was before the GT42 also.
I currently have an Evolution H2B and I love it!</TD></TR></TABLE>
bump for the duce duce lol. if any motor has put in work like no other its the h22. **** back in the day steph was the man. the only prob. that motor has had was putting all that pwr to the ground.
I currently have an Evolution H2B and I love it!</TD></TR></TABLE>
bump for the duce duce lol. if any motor has put in work like no other its the h22. **** back in the day steph was the man. the only prob. that motor has had was putting all that pwr to the ground.