I run SDS efi for my EMS.... and it doesn't have an anti-lag option on it. Is there any aftermarket ADD ON systems that will do it? I know autronic does, but I dont wish to redo my entire ems.

 

bump....thinking about autronic..

 

Motec has a very good anti lag system, much better than the autronic. You can actually control boost pretty good with the motec one.

 

aem ems anti lag combined with the boost control = perfect boost control on the antilag, and it will build stupid boost very fast if you want it

msd has a 2step, but i dont think it pulls any timing to spool the turbo.

if you search around on supra forums there is a guy taht makes a antilag/2 step thing, but im not sure if it works on anything but a supra.

 

If you had a distributor SDS setup it would be easy and cheap - MSD 2 step module and MSD Timing Retard box.... but since you have a Neon I'll assume you have the coil pack version.... maybe contact SDS , I seem to remember a timing pull feature... this in addition to a rev limiter is what creates the boost.

My Autronic SM2 Launch Control function controls boost very consistently, and I will be glad to sell you one, but I wont sit here and tell you that you need that much ECU for a SFWD car....

 

My sds works well because its.. well simple. I dont really need any more complicated of a setup, I just wish I had anti-lag, a launch limiter, 3d maps, datalogging, and more user defineable settings.....

how much is an autronic setup...

how much is a Motec setup?

I mean realistic...all the sensors, cables, etc. I have a lap top, but REALISTICALLY all setup all brand new. thanks

 

My sds works well because its.. well simple. I dont really need any more complicated of a setup, I just wish I had anti-lag, a launch limiter, 3d maps, datalogging, and more user defineable settings.....>>>

Yes I am agreeing with you, there are people who do perfectly well without datalogging (Chris Green) and everything else.

 

BUT I WANT MOOOORE! (charlie murphy skit)

 

just saw your edit... I can set you up with Autronic, shoot me an e-mail with all of your specs. I'll gladly post the price we come up with, and I'd like to see what the Motec totals up to.
I'll say this, most people agree that Motec is the best system, I mean most of the time people compare engine management systems to Motec because its been the benchmark for a long time now.
But wait till you pay for all of the extras like advanced tuning,wideband input, and datalogging after the first 6 hrs.

Either system is argueably overkill for the average sfwd car... but if you have the cash to play on this level go for it, and you definitely wont have reliability issues, peace of mind is worth $ sometimes.
Kevin
Lugnuts9@msn.com

 

email sent.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Motec has a very good anti lag system, much better than the autronic. You can actually control boost pretty good with the motec one.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I can't say I have ever used a Motec anti lag, but I have used my Autronic unit with great success. It holds the boost exactly where I want it and it is very easy on the motors. We have all heard the cars using Motec and it sounds like people are getting shot where as the Autronic sounds like your grandma could launch the car.

 

Actually, the Autronic can't control boost on the anti lag like the motec can, according to Ben. The soft cut of the autronic is actually more of a two step than an anti lag. The 2 step on the motec is smooth too. The anti lag requires pulling alot of timing and cutting ign., which makes alot of noise. I can control boost on the anti lag w/o using the wastegate!

 

You guys sure like to spend money and waste time!
All you need is an MSD DIS-2 Programmable ignition. it gives you all the features you're looking for, + increased spark.

 

Autronic SM2 has a launch control, not so much of an anti-lag like motec. You can rig it up to work with tricking the autronic, but that is ghetto. SM4 has anti-lag tho.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Arturbo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Autronic has a launch control, not so much of an anti-lag like motec. You can rig it up to work with tricking the autronic, but that is ghetto. SM4 has anti-lag tho. </TD></TR></TABLE>

But isn't an SM4 an Autronic?


EDIT:Moderators suck!!! Art going back and fixing his posts without showing edits!!!


Modified by Boostfed.com at 3:01 AM 8/5/2005

 

sigh...

 

FYI, here is a link to get anti-lag to work with Autronic. Its ghetto, but I guess it works. http://www.mrm-racing.a.se/pdf/smc_launch.pdf

 

Art,

Autronic has anti-lag. Not all chipsets have it but some do.
Rally guys have been using it for years.
You set the pwm table to the amount of ign retard you want.
And yes it will pop and bang and make alot of boost.

If you dont' have it then you can set it up as you saw with the diagram you posted.
In that example you would set an rpm limit you want, and add fuel thru the warmup table, and pull ign thru the ign mod table. Works well also.


Tony,
Motec has there own problems with antilag and 2 steps.

 

i have no trouble making a ton of noise with my electromotive im probably the only T4 guy leaving the line at 5400 rpm haha

 

Enzo, what problems have you had with Motecs anti-lag? It's always worked really good for me.

 

Len you are right, theres too much money being spent on 90% of these cars out there... probably most of the reason the races suck and only 5 cars show up - spend everything on the car none left to race it.


I'll clarify what I posted eariler about my own car... the Autronic isnt *controlling* the boost technically but it does make boost at the line like everyone else... its not rocket science you pull timing while on the 2 step rev limiter. The more timing you pull the more boost (and noise) it makes haha. All I was getting at was my race car with Autronic goves me the boost I want at the line consistently everytime.

Technically speaking Antilag is what rally cars use to have instant throttle response... you actually use a second throttle plate and it makes the car maintain boost when the throttle is lifted in corners, the throttle is used to help steer a rally car and instasnt response is critical. Autronic ecus do have this feature when desired but no use talking about it here.

Notice I didnt say anything bad or untrue about any other ecu's out there... If you live within a few states of Tony and you want to run Motec by all means call him up and he will make your car run awesome.... or if you have AEM contact or Jdogg or whatever..... I just wanted to answer the posters original question.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Turbo-charged &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have no trouble making a ton of noise with my electromotive im probably the only T4 guy leaving the line at 5400 rpm haha</TD></TR></TABLE>

you have that limited edition machine gun fire antilag system - i heard those are ultra rare jdm only setups

you just need this to complete the package
http://zex.com/Base/Video/ZexM...1.wmv
you would be outta control....

 

^^^ that was THE GAYEST THING EV4R!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NativeSon &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You guys sure like to spend money and waste time!
All you need is an MSD DIS-2 Programmable ignition. it gives you all the features you're looking for, + increased spark.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I also run a dis-4 and can control boost that way. It works fine...sounds like the Autronic on the line as well.

 

I guess i'll get a dis-2 and get the two-step