im in the process of making a small change to my long list of goals.

thinking of goin alcohol.. with no intercooler.

anyidea's on what size injectors to run?? im thinking 8 injectors(160lb)


tips are appriciated

 

still should have a intercooler on the car.....air temp is going to get at the 150s +

 

Precision makes a veyr nice Air-Water...thing is huge.

Suprdave

 

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how does gardella do it??

nitrous?

 

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I think he also runs a huge turbo that is more efficient at the boost levels they run, but they gain back some of that response by running no intercooler.

 

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A gallon of ethanol contains less than 2/3 of the energy of a gallon of gasoline. On the other hand, it is possible to burn ethanol more efficiently than gasoline. (That is, more of its energy can be used to move the car.) Nevertheless, miles per gallon with ethanol will be 20-30 percent less than with gasoline.

The octane rating of ethanol is about 100, compared to the 88-92 rating of gasoline presently available. Ethanol eliminates audible knock and ping, and it allows advanced timing and increased compression ratios, both of which, when done correctly, improve engine efficiency, economy, and power.

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o yeah - alot of grand national people say that intercooler is needed even though your using alcohol, but their daily drivers with only "chipping" for the engine managment for alcohol for certain engine speeds (they use gas still).

and alot of full race mustang run about 25+ PSI without any intercooler. i'll try to find some setup online.

 

youll need more then 4 1600cc injectors if you are running alcohol. talk with tony1. youll need 2 pumps too.

 

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hence the reason im talking about 8 injectors(160lb)

2 mechanical fuel pumps?

 

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hence the reason im talking about 8 injectors(160lb)

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oops i misread. i though the 1st post said 4 160lb. sorry. I think you need to run 2 weldon 2035 or 2045 pumps on alsohol. I dont know much about alcohol other than an old buddy used to be on it and made a lot of mistakes so i learned a little from his car. he did run an intercooler and the intake temps really never got that high even at 30psi.

 

you'll want to run a mechanical pump NOT ELECTRICAL with alcohol. To many horror stories about the weldon failing multiple times. You'd be fine with one. First off they are cheaper, and you dont need two, so they are a lot cheaper

I run a small liquid to air intercooler and at 30psi, we usually never go over 100 degrees intake charge

 

If you do run 2 sets, make the second set high up on the intake runners that was the alchohol has time to mix with the air and disperse the heat.

 

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thanks for the tips (carey and mike)

do you think this spearco 2-231 is good enough to start off with?

 

dude, that's the same cooler that I have and you know what intake temps I see. It will work as a starter, if you switch to Alcohol I wouldn't even worry about getting a different one

 

thanks carey!! im glad to see racers helping racers out

i guess im gonna try this one out..see how far it takes me.

 

no problem you'll be fine with that one, just use a ton of ice thats what i have to do.

Have you been building this car for awhile now

 

2.5 years, LOL im so broke its not even funny almost there though..hopefully soon ill get it running

 

I hear ya, the car looks extremely nice and I sure you be glad you took your time.

I think all of us are broke now

 

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u guys need any team mates?

 

well, I think Im going to have a street car for next year and not be traveling much. Im not sure though, depends on a few things that I am working on now

but if not, definately. I can use all the help I can get, as you probably would too!

 

are you keeping your car or selling it?

 

I'd go with a bigger core. The reason those cores have hp ratings on them, is because that's the amount of airflow they'll flow efficiently. If you go with a bigger core then you will have less pressure drop across it and even better cooling, hence the huge ic on kenny's car. You will definitely need 8 1600cc injectors and we ran a weldon 2345 on kenny's car for 2 years w/o a problem.

 

there seems to be two ways to skin this cat, most guys are running an IC on alky but gardella isnt.... which is pretty strange considering his tuner (Job) is one of the big name mustang guys, and those guys run IC's the size of refrigerators haha.
- I would think that once the air density is lost then even cooling it back down with fuel wouldnt get it back, but it works,and it sure would be easier/lighter/simpler to plumb the system without an IC. It will be interesting to see what happens with the smaller compressors next year.

 

Not to thread ****** but are the (liquid/Air)spearco box interoolers better than the pwr barrels??Ive never seen #'s from the pwr's.

 

PWR has come out with an 8" barrel i/c. Before I could get my hands on one, all those pro 5.0 fast mustang guys got them. I believe Able has one now, however.

 

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I have seen much better results from the spearcos compared to the pwrs...