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Old Dec 22, 2011 | 02:27 PM
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Random question but does this cause heat to be trapped in the engine bay at all?
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Old Dec 22, 2011 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by JDM JEFFREY
Did u just cover te front of the car
Like cover the front bumper? or the space between the bumper and the traction bar?

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utahturbosohc,
Not to sound like a broken record, but did you notice a difference in your ET/trap speed with the belly pan?

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I'll let you know after the first of the year LOL. I have had this since April, but the first half of the year i had the car too low to the ground and it would trip the beams, after some suspension changes i got the car high enough, but had to make some changes to the catch pan. so finally in September I made those changes, but before making it back to the track i broke the oil pump and our race season ended.

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What are you guys who are putting belly pans making them out of? I've been doing alot of searching online and alot of good info out there on how to make them. But most of it is people doing it for gas mileage. So the spectrum is pretty broad. Some use 1/8" aluminium, some are using corrugated plastic, some use sheet metal, some fab up a mold and then do fiberglass.
I think fiberglass is too bulky. I'm thinking of taking some very thin aluminium sheetmetal for covering the exhaust, and then doing the rest in corrugated plastic just to see how it works. I'm just wondering if anyone else has use that, kinda worried it might deflect and warp at high speeds and be more of a hinderance than help. Has anyone tried this?
Also keep the pics coming.
Mine is 1/8th inch alum.

Originally Posted by guy_from_nerk
Random question but does this cause heat to be trapped in the engine bay at all?
Not that I have noticed. and I did a lot of street driving with it on as well.
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 03:27 AM
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Originally Posted by tony1
Aero starts to matter as low at 70mph and the gains get bigger the faster you go.
Tony can u post pics of the bottom of your integra. Thanks
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 06:13 AM
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The front bumper is the most important part.... You want the bottom of the bumper as high as possible
What chassis do you have ?
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by hello1320
The front bumper is the most important part.... You want the bottom of the bumper as high as possible
Other way around. You want the bottom of the bumper as close to the ground as possible.
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 06:34 AM
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That's the first and last tip I give.....
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 06:40 AM
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There are some good tips and some bad ones here.

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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by njn63
Other way around. You want the bottom of the bumper as close to the ground as possible.
I believe this is right. Paul, can you explain why it's the other way around?

Look at Nascar. Their **** scrapes the ground all the time and I always thought it was to keep air from going under the car....
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by B100sst
Tony can u post pics of the bottom of your integra. Thanks
Picture the bottom of an Integra, all flat.
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by hello1320
The front bumper is the most important part.... You want the bottom of the bumper as high as possible
What chassis do you have ?
Miller car the front bumper it's like on the floor and trapping 181mph ???
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 07:40 AM
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Is there a 3" clearance rule when on the bumper when you stage up still? I thought that was a standard rule so it doesnt trip the beam or was that mainly the old SFWD NHRA rules?

If there isnt, then its possible to trip the beam early at the 1/4 mile.
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 07:58 AM
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The earth is flat....and the sky is yellow
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 08:20 AM
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Is there a 3" clearance rule when on the bumper when you stage up still? I thought that was a standard rule so it doesnt trip the beam or was that mainly the old SFWD NHRA rules?

If there isnt, then its possible to trip the beam early at the 1/4 mile.
I know we're talking about aero here but this brings up another point: The finish line beams are higher than 3" which is another reason you want the bumper as low as possible. A lot of comp eliminator cars trip the top end beams with the body work, not the tires. That's why there is a max overhang rule in the classes.
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The earth is flat....and the sky is yellow
I still don't understand your point and posts like these aren't helping.

Bonneville is the best case I can think of for high speed, low downforce aero and they're borderline scraping to keep air from going under the car:
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 08:35 AM
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the lower the car the more downward force.
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 11:32 AM
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This is the bottom of my car. I did this at the begining of last race season, The car tracks very straight on the top end, and seemingly picked up about 3-4 mph for the relative boost levels from the season prior. There was a few other changes as well so Im not totally convinced that it had a direct affect on the car, but from what I see it cant hurt. best pass to date is 8.35@166 mph last year same boost levels was about 8.6-8.7's at 160-161 mph. If I were running a dog box Im sure the traps would be in the 180mph range.



Yes the first third is sheet alumn with a catch pan built in, the rest is a light weight poly sheet that is compatible with gas and oil. It does go from bumper to bumper.
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 11:57 AM
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Do you have a full exhaust under there or does it exit the hood or side of the bumper?
If it's all the way back do you have something as a heat shield between the poly and exhaust?
How thick is your aluminium up front 1/8"? And the poly I'm assuming is 1/8" or 1/4"?
Just trying to figure out what the lightest material would be usable.
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 11:58 AM
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On second look the aluminium looks like 16 or 18 gauge?
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 01:00 PM
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All is 1/8th in. All three pieces weigh about 20lbs
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by eclipsed4speed
All is 1/8th in. All three pieces weigh about 20lbs
Thanks for the reply, looks good too!
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by tony1
Picture the bottom of an Integra, all flat.
or a civic! LOL
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 02:34 PM
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I've also noticed alot of people completely covering their front end. Does it make a big difference? I know it is unreasonable to do so if you run an air to air intercooler.
I know I use to take my front bumper off for racing to get more air to the intercooler and everytime I did I went slower. So the curve of the front bumper was definately helping.
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 02:36 PM
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I covered my front end because I didn't want air getting caught up in the engine bay, plus it incorporates my catch pan. Best of both worlds IMO.

LOL @ Tony
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 06:11 PM
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Thanks Tony I appreciate it
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by DraginX
Lets see some pictures of your aerodynamic upgrades on your race cars, whether it be wings, belly pans, diffusers, etc... And post up any gains you seen in the quarter mile.
i see our conversation got u to thinking. give me a couple of weeks and ill see how mine turns out
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 07:17 PM
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Yes it did!
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