190 whp LS graphs inside!!
 

Just got done dynoing my buddys car at King motorsports, He works there and does all of their tuning and fab work. He built it and here are the results.
Engine specs:
81.25 mm bore
jdm type r pistons
stock rods
arp bolts
ported head
.5 mm oversized valves
12.1:1 compression
b16 intake manifold 99 SI
64 mm tb
CROWER 62404 cams
CROWER springs and retainers
DC 4-2-1 2" collector
HONDATA S300
stock injectors
walbro 255
68 lbs rail pressure
2.5 inch exhaust no cat
BUILT LS vs STOCK 2000 B18b with intake and exhaust
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/fi...jbi/TTR_LS.jpg
MY gf's ls-vtec vs built ls
Her ls-vtec has 12:1 compression with type r cams
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/fi...R_LSvsvtec.jpg

Re: 190 whp LS graphs inside!! (bearsEK)
 

non-vtec coming on like a storm lately https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif massive tq curve for
a 1.8 https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...s/emsmileo.gif thanks for posting this https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif

How streetable is it?

Re: (87sivtec)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 87sivtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How streetable is it?</TD></TR></TABLE>
He drives it to work everyday for the last year and 20,000 miles.

Re: 190 whp LS graphs inside!! (bearsEK)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bearsEK &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
68 lbs rail pressure
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What is s300 reporting your duty cycle at ?
I would say its time for new injectors https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...s/emsmilep.gif

Re: 190 whp LS graphs inside!! (mtber)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mtber &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

What is s300 reporting your duty cycle at ?
I would say its time for new injectors https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...s/emsmilep.gif </TD></TR></TABLE>
It says 83% the stock ones work fine, the pump can hold up to 70 lbs of rail pressure.

Re: 190 whp LS graphs inside!! (bearsEK)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bearsEK &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
It says 83% the stock ones work fine, the pump can hold up to 70 lbs of rail pressure.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I am sure they will work fine, but you are close to the point of an upgrade. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...s/emsmilep.gif

Btw, nice numbers man

Re: 190 whp LS graphs inside!! (mtber)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mtber &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I am sure they will work fine, but you are close to the point of an upgrade. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...s/emsmilep.gif

Btw, nice numbers man</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thanks i will tell him,
Like i posted i was just helping on the dyno it wasn't my engine. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif

Re: 190 whp LS graphs inside!! (mtber)
 

is this LS head B16 ported? i hear thats a common thing to do, send an LS head to a CNC machine for B16 sized ports along with B16 sized valves.

Re: 190 whp LS graphs inside!! (1 2 NV)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1 2 NV &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">is this LS head B16 ported? i hear thats a common thing to do, send an LS head to a CNC machine for B16 sized ports along with B16 sized valves.</TD></TR></TABLE>
.5mm oversized ls valves, intake ports were matched to intake manifold. No guide protrusion into ports.

Re: 190 whp LS graphs inside!! (1 2 NV)
 

how can you run a b16 manifold on an ls? same bolt pattern?

Re: 190 whp LS graphs inside!! (bearsEK)
 

sorry i saw that, im just unfamiliar with LS valve sizes.

Re: 190 whp LS graphs inside!! (GetawayInMoscow)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GetawayInMoscow &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how can you run a b16 manifold on an ls? same bolt pattern?</TD></TR></TABLE>Its a simple modfication, close to the same bolt pattern
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1 2 NV &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">sorry i saw that, im just unfamiliar with LS valve sizes.</TD></TR></TABLE>
the valves are 28.5mm ex and 31.5mm intake

Re: 190 whp LS graphs inside!! (bearsEK)
 

Loving the non-VTEC numbers https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif
I would love to hear more about the head!

Re: 190 whp LS graphs inside!! (b19coupe)
 

those torque #s are awesome. long live the No VTEC. haha. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif that motor outta scream.

Re: 190 whp LS graphs inside!! (mtber)
 

Sweet numbers https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif

I never knew you could fab a b16 IM onto an LS head. If that's the case, why didn't he go for an ITR IM?

Re: 190 whp LS graphs inside!! (EK Josh)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EK Josh &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sweet numbers https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif

I never knew you could fab a b16 IM onto an LS head. If that's the case, why didn't he go for an ITR IM?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thats the next mod/ test

Re: 190 whp LS graphs inside!! (b19coupe)
 

Really nice numbers!

Re: 190 whp LS graphs inside!! (mr_hahn73)
 

200+ here we come https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif

Re: 190 whp LS graphs inside!! (bearsEK)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bearsEK &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Thats the next mod/ test</TD></TR></TABLE>
Or you could run the Blox IM, the results should be comparable.

Re: 190 whp LS graphs inside!! (b19coupe)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b19coupe &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Or you could run the Blox IM, the results should be comparable.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I think he has a type r manifold already for his head, he has a fitting welded to his head so the coolant doesn't go through the manifold and the manifold is cut off. and the type r manifold he has is already cut off.

Re: 190 whp LS graphs inside!! (bearsEK)
 

damn i didnt know a ls could put down so much hp man. i was thinking about doing a ls/vtec but i dont know? nice hp and im lovin the torque figure. what car is this in and also how does that thing pull?

Re: 190 whp LS graphs inside!! (SuperTomcat)
 

great comparison https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif

impressive

damn that torque curve looks like my stock h22's, only better down low https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...s/emsmileo.gif

good stuff https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif

bears, what about his setup do you think is making that huge amount of torque in the midrange vs your gf's?? is it the cams?

Re: 190 whp LS graphs inside!! (bearsEK)
 

looks good......a better header will probably give that engine more power. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif

also try some 310cc injectors so you dont have to run so much fuel pressure....

Re: (bb4ever)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bb4ever &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">damn that torque curve looks like my stock h22's, only better down low https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...s/emsmileo.gif

good stuff https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif

bears, what about his setup do you think is making that huge amount of torque in the midrange vs your gf's?? is it the cams?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Not really sure thats why i posted the comparison, both were on the same dyno and within a month of each other, i haven't seen anyone post a comparison like this, so i thought we could learn something. Both engines are 12:1, they both have b16 intake manifolds, his is a dc 4-2-1 with a 2" collector and hers is a dc 4-1 with a 2" collector. Both had tuned intake lengths, his cams are made to produce the best power in that range, her type r cams would probably work better with a better intake manifold and header, but the same could be said for his, her head is pretty much a stock b16, his head has welded chambers and good headwork. I guess the only real differance is that her engine is all STOCK parts and his is pretty much maxed out with the exception of a few bolt ons. Also they both have 2.5 inch exhaust without cats. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif

tire roaster https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif

Those are some impressive number man! https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif

Re: (TREESnoseeds787)
 

Great non-vtec power https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif

Re: (Synapse Motorsport)
 

That's one https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif on the head.

Re: (bearsEK)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bearsEK &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Not really sure thats why i posted the comparison, both were on the same dyno and within a month of each other, i haven't seen anyone post a comparison like this, so i thought we could learn something. Both engines are 12:1, they both have b16 intake manifolds, his is a dc 4-2-1 with a 2" collector and hers is a dc 4-1 with a 2" collector. Both had tuned intake lengths, his cams are made to produce the best power in that range, her type r cams would probably work better with a better intake manifold and header, but the same could be said for his, her head is pretty much a stock b16, his head has welded chambers and good headwork. I guess the only real differance is that her engine is all STOCK parts and his is pretty much maxed out with the exception of a few bolt ons. Also they both have 2.5 inch exhaust without cats. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif </TD></TR></TABLE>

Well the 4-1 vs 4-2-1 definitely has some effect on the powerband. So you're using type r vtec cams in a non-vtec motor?? Thats pretty cool.

https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif for a good comparison

Re: (bb4ever)
 

The ITR cams are in the LS/VTEC engine. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif To M&T on a Good post, good to see an LS make VTEC power and still be streetable.

Re: (PURE Tuning)
 

pretty impressive..
i'm suprized it does that well with that 4-2-1 dc 2" collectored header

Re: (bearsEK)
 

"He drives it to work everyday for the last year and 20,000 miles. "

Very impressive numbers indeed. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif

Re: (bb4ever)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bb4ever &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Well the 4-1 vs 4-2-1 definitely has some effect on the powerband. So you're using type r vtec cams in a non-vtec motor?? Thats pretty cool.

https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif for a good comparison</TD></TR></TABLE>
Like pure said, the type r cams were in my gf's ls-vtec, his cams were crower 404 nonvtec cams for an LS. I just wanted to compare similar builds and the ls-vtec with type r cams is what alot of people build around here.


Modified by bearsEK at 2:12 PM 1/28/2007

Re: (bb4ever)
 

https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif killer numbers

Re: (Speedz)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Speedz &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">pretty impressive..
i'm suprized it does that well with that 4-2-1 dc 2" collectored header
</TD></TR></TABLE>

Exactly my thoughts https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif

Re: 190 whp LS graphs inside!! (non-VTEC)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by non-VTEC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">looks good......a better header will probably give that engine more power. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif

also try some 310cc injectors so you dont have to run so much fuel pressure....</TD></TR></TABLE>

What's wrong with high fuel pressure? It helps in some regards.

https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif to Mike and Tim for another great build/tune set up.

Re: 190 whp LS graphs inside!! (SMSP)
 

in for more info on the b16 IM swap