Hi..Why do you guys say skunk2 cams are garbage when a yellow integra type R that runs for them is hitting 12s all motor wit the sets of cams they sell?plmk..thanks...cause i am very interested on getting them..and would like to know whats wrong wit them..thanks

They had a problem with the first batch many many months ago. The coating that the factory applied was a race coating which was too hard. The replaced the bad cams under warranty and the problem is fixed. The skunk2 cams are stronger then the ctr cams, the price is good too. I have a customer that has a gsr with jdm itr pistons, skunk2 manifold, field vtec controller, AEM cold air, comptech header, greddy exhaust and he's dynoed skunk2 cams and cam gears and he's dynoed at 186hp at the wheels......that's 40 more hp more then a stock gsr,,,,,,so, yes, they work

And no problems since the new batch has been released over 6 months ago


[Modified by TypeRdude, 4:24 PM 6/27/2001]


[Modified by TypeRdude, 4:25 PM 6/27/2001]

Actually, that is not entirely accurate....

They went looking for a coating to make the cam compatable with the rockers, which the cams were eating in 10k miles. Not such a good thing.

They had several hundred pairs of these cams, and the billets that were used were harder than the rockers; thus the incompatability.

The bad bunch of cams were scrapped, a new billet was introduced, and there is no more problem.

As mentioned, they are making some good power, however, it is only the VTEC lobes that have been beefed up, not the primaries.

By what I've heard, the Skunk2 cams are similar to the ITR/CTR cams on the primary lobes, and slightly bigger than the Toda A spec cams on the VTEC lobes.

I want to try a set to see how they compare, but I'm happy with my Spec A's.

We have posted Dave Hsu's email to me on our website (no snide remarks from the peanut gallery please) at Superhonda regarding this. Here is their side of the story.

As you can plainly see these are not ITR or CTR cam specs which are

ITR IN 0.453 " (11.5 mm), 240 @1mm/EX 0.413" (10.5 mm), 235 @ 1mm

CTR IN 0.453" (11.5mm), 243 @ 1mm/EX 0.413" (10.5 mm), 235 @ 1mm

Hope this clears things up.

cheers

Good info.

A guy in a Gen 2 teg with a B16A motor swap equipped with Skunk2 cams and cam gears, intake, header, exhaust and every other possible bolt-ons you can imagine raced me a couple weeks back. I was in my R with just an AEM intake. The car has just barely been broken in and it was my first time ever drag racing. I beat him by half a car length. Not an actual prediction of what might happen if it was installed in an ITR but the B16A is almost the equivalent of an ITR motor...

My advice...try them for yourself


[Modified by ILOVERACING, 12:47 PM 6/27/2001]

Wrong info from Skunk d00d.
"we have only seen 2-4hp increases when using toda B's or jun3's."


I am glad to hear what the cause was and the steps taken to fix it. The camshaft info from Mr. D is also very helpful.

Will

um, b16a = 160hp (flywheel). b18c5 = 195hp (flywheel). the heads are very similar, but the larger displacement and slightly higher compression (not mention more aggressive cams) help the b18c5 out a lot.

not trying to be a pain, but my last car had a b16a in it, and after what i was planning to do to it engine-wise, i would basically end up with the stock power of a b18c5. so, i traded up to the R.

The comment that Todas only made 2-4 whp more than the skunks is not entirely implausible:

stock ITR 160-163 whp on avg.

skunk2 gains 15-17 whp. 175-180 whp. no change in compression.

if you see Lip's dyno when he had Toda B's, JDM 4-1, stock compression, he made around 180-185 whp.

to say the skunks made +17hp average is a flat out lie, pure and simple..........

B's make around +12-15 ish peak hp over the OEM cams (assuming all other mods are kept the same) so that's almost in line, but the B's add+20 HP and 15-20 ish LBS. on low cam!!
JunIII's may do the same but I've yet to see a plot.....skunks will give "almost spec B" top end but, I like my low lobes lumpy for smooth,across the board gains and the skunks WILL NOT DO THAT!

Nice discussion, Let's keep it that way



[Modified by B18CXr, 2:43 PM 6/27/2001]


[Modified by B18CXr, 2:56 PM 6/27/2001]

this was last year with the jdm 4-1 with badly leaky rings using spec B's. i obviously opt to keep run 63 given the torque increased throughout the power band with only a hp or 2 loss

Good info guys..thanks..i think imma go with those setup cams for my jdm itr motor.....thanks guys...

I am just looking for a set of cams to help me on my quests to 12s so far i see the skunk2 cams able to do it..i seen toda Cs but i want something that is daily driven and not that wild of a cam..

Jack,

Dave Hsu did say 17 hp in a B18C1. What it does in the B18C5, I'm not sure. I'm extrapolating what Dave said to the ITR. So if the gains were similar, the numbers would come close to what he stated...plausible. ITRs with thinner 0.6mm single layer head gaskets have shown gains to 190 whp...not a major change in CR but still not stock..."close" to stock...10.9:1. I guess what I was saying is, if we compare these cams we should make sure the engine combinations are similar.

Jeff,

this is the plot I was referring to:






[Modified by Michael Delaney, 1:49 PM 6/27/2001]

What compression were you running here Jeff when you made 192 WHP?

You ran a 13.1 quarter with this right?

here's another spec B plot on a 2000 Type R with 11:1 compression ... incredible torque, I've never seen that from the skunks or the JUNs



Greg

Thats my RS*R header plot. The one i posted was the jdm 4-1. the RS*R couldn't flow the b's. only differences between the plot i posted and the one you did was change of header and added an msd(which didn't do much for me at that point).

about 11.1-11.3:1 with the 192whp

Ohh cool. The reason I ask is cuz I wanna estimate where my WHP should be using your former set-up as a baseline. since I got the Toda B's, 11.8 compression, Spoon 4-1 header with a straight pipe, I'm hoping for 200+ WHP or bust.

BTW, will the 13" Lenso VPD's go over my stock GSR calipers?

yupper sure will. and you'll hit 200 btw

i also wanna do the fastbrakes type-R front kit upgrade in the future, do you know if those 13" Lensos will still fit?

Thanks for the 200+ reassurance, I feel a lot better....

nope, the wheels will not clear the brakes......

shoot!

err, no, not plausible. You cannot compare the B18c's gains to what a ITR would gain. The ITR cams are much more aggressive than the GSR's, therefor the gains would not be as high. I'd say on the ITR the gains would be more along the range of 10hp.