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Car is a 90 Acura Integra GS 5 speed with 170k miles on it

Alright so here is what happened, I was driving home from school and I stopped to get gas and I accidentally put 91 octane gas in, I usual run 87 cuz car is old and it runs like crap with better gas i don't know why. So then I got back on the freeway and drove about 7 miles then the car just lost power and couldn't do any thing so i pulled off to the side and from that point on it wont start.

Once I got it towed home I checked the fuel pump and its working the main relay is clicking and tried my ecu in my buddy's car so I know its good. After checking all the fuses i looked and im getting spark, then I pulled the valve cover and my tbelt is good and it didn't jump timing. So I pulled the return hose on the fuel rail and im getting gas to the rail so then I pulled my plugs and they are bone dry so I tried using a different resistor box and nothing so then changed my injectors with 2 different sets and still no gas is getting in the cylinder. I am getting power to the box and injector's. When I crank it the car backfires for a second.

Now im stuck and don't know what to check maybe the ignition coil? weak spark?? bad wiring??

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bump need help

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Did u check all the grounds?

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yup

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You eather jumped timing or lost compression

Id check both, any smoke coming from the exhaust

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when you checked spark, was it perfectly consistent and not random?

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You might have jumped timing. YOu ever cranked your car manually? Do you know how to check your timing?

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I'd get a new set of plugs, even though they spark when out of the cylinder. My car did that once and took me two days and I checked EVERYTHING and couldn't find anything wrong with it, the plugs even sparked when grounded and I had someone crank it. I ended up throwing a new set of plugs in there and it fired right up and has ever since. Just something to try being plugs are only like $1.50 each for some NGK's.

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Checking the timing is free

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If you have a spare dizzy try that, kinda sounds like a coil issue

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I checked timing twice! I was thinking about trying a spare dizzy but wanted to get some feed back

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Compression test, if your positive your getting spark and fuel timing/compression would make most sense..

Possibly a map sensor bad but I doubt it. Any smoke out exhaust?

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A bad MAP pressure will idle really shitty. You should try the spare distributor.

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Lmao, dntnedvtec, that quote in your sig is priceless

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I get little puffs of black smoke

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Def check the distributor if you have a spare, by all means, double and triple check your belt/ignition timing.
I've had similar issues, It was the distributor...

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Def check the distributor if you have a spare, by all means, double and triple check your belt/ignition timing.
I've had similar issues, It was the distributor...

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so u guys don't think it could be the gas?

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try changing the fuel filter its about 20 bucks at advance

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If the plugs are dry, "I pulled my plugs and they are bone dry" the problem is no fuel, either no power or low power at the injectors, [make sure there is 12V+ at all the injectors with ign. switch in run or start] or there is no pulse from ECU/ECM, [check for 12V- pulse at each injector when cranking to start. 94

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I checked the power to the injectors the day i got it towed home and they all have 12v. I was working alone so I couldn't check to see if they pulsated when I tried to start it,I will check all the compression and injectors when I get home.

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Checked compression and all tests within spec. As for the injectors I gd 12v constant even when I Try to
start the car.

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get a o2 censer

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A bad o2 sensor will cause the car to die? And not start??

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a bad o2 wont cause it to die and not start, pinch the return line possibly the regulator s stuck open??

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Tired that

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I don't know what I looked over grrrrrrr

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Id disregard what j_mee_5 says, I've driven around for months without a o2 even plugged in on several cars, anyone with experience knows this, the o2 barely even makes a noticable effect while driving nevermind starting the car

Im not sure why your injectors wouldn't be pulsating but you could take your fuel rail and injectors right off and turn it over to see if your flow is right, just have a couple rags handy for the gas. If your getting gas for sure then swap your fuel regulator it might be bad

Kinda confused you said you were getting gas but when I jus re read your post I noticed you said they're was no gas going into the cylinders from the injector even though u changed them. Did you get gas into the cylinder yet?

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u get check engine light? if you do then jump it and find out what code you got.

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Did you try running it on carb cleaner to see if it ran while spraying in the throttle body,

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You need to check and see if injectors are pulsing, pick up a noid light for your car and test them, or as mentioned, pull the fuel rail and injectors, face the injectors into some rags and have someone crank the engine, do the injectors spray fuel?????

Again, if the plugs are dry, there is NO FUEL, if fuel pressure is good, and there is 12V+ at the injectors, then either all the injectors are plugged or they are not "firing", check for pulse. 94

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Tried that

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EDITED: deleted cause trying to help this guy is like trying to help a no-legged guy walk

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Man I give up on you, we've been asking you all kindas of questions and all you keep posting it "tried that" and "grrrr". your wasting our time and you should bring your car to a shop cause to obviously lack the intelligence to trouble shoot or even read apparently. FCM told you where the problem was TWICE even based on your weak details

:ugh: you guys can finish dealing with this one he's a lost cause...

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[QUOTE=EHondaJDM;43318535]Man I give up on you, we've been asking you all kindas of questions and all you keep posting it "tried that" and "grrrr". your wasting our time and you should bring your car to a shop cause to obviously lack the intelligence to trouble shoot or even read apparently. FCM told you where the problem was TWICE even based on your weak details





:ugh: you guys can finish dealing with this one he's a lost cause...[/QUOTE

Dude WTF is ur problem I said I have " tired" that cuz I have. I have been trying to figure this problem out for about a week now, I appreciate all the help but nothing seems to be working. it's not my first time working on a car, so I tired multiple things before even thinking about posting it up on here and I didn't say "tried" that to FCM I just hit quick reply to another guy and how should I respond to somthing if I have tired it already Mr. Helpful HT guy

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FCM When I tested my injectors with a node light the stayed constant 12v at no time did they pulsate, that goes for all the injector clips. I pulled the rail a few days ago when I was trying to eliminate possible problems and when I tried to start it no gas came out I will try it again today but need a second pair of hands to keep the injectors from popping out. I tried spraying carb cleaner in the intake manifold but when I do that it back fires and shoots a fire ball out kinda cool cuz my bro didn't know and he almost fell on his ass.

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yea i dont really know if its the o2 senser or not but my teg will die on me once in a while when i come to a red light. try every thing gas pump gas filter spark plugs spark plugs wires almost took it to the shop but was reading on h.t. and some one said it might be the o2 senser so i went and try it and now the car is running good.

im not saying that will cause your car to die or not but since you try every thing y not give the o2 a try ??

but if i was you and try ever thing just take it to the shop and let them see.

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Do you get a tach signal?

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Yes the rpm needle moves when I try and start the car

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you sure it was 91 octane and not diesel right?