Have y'all felt changes with the type-r front lip....or any other aftermarket lip/spoiler?

yah, the front lip on my car makes it a lot more "snug/tight" @ higher speeds....even just 60+....


or is it just mental????????


lol...i read on the h/a.net boards that the R rear wing actually does help, ....do any of you R owners that have taken off your wing felt any differences

 

I noticed the difference putting the R wing on my LS. Actually put 3 stress cracks in it. It felt alot more planted to the ground.

 

i would be willing to bet that 99 % of lips/body kits/wings dont do anything for aerodynamics. Most of the crazy super combat ninja kits probably slow you down at higher speeds. A lip might even slow you down....who knows...... but if they were to help you out at all, i bet i would be about the same affect as rolling your window up.

somebody who knows more than nothing about aerodynamics can say something

 

sorry double


[Modified by D-SPEED, 2:27 AM 6/18/2001]

 

i think its mental, sorry but the type r lip is to thin to make a huge difference and i dont think body kits help, even though i have one.. lol

 

MENTAL!!!

 

well, how effective they are depends on the speed, since the drag force is going to be a function of air speed. If i remember correctly, well designed lips that aren't just for show,unlike like those ninja combat haduken type R eliminator lips, are suppose to create a negetive lift, which is suppose to help the front stay a little more planted....they do have a purpose...but for normal people nothing worth while really, cept over 80mph i think. Wings on the other hand not just produce down force to keep the rear down,but it causes more drag. However, i also believe it can also help smooth out the turbulance behind the car reducing the sucking effect i think.....

Some people porbably didnt know this but when your drafting a car....your gonna be going faster than the car in front cause you have less wind to push out of the way right, but if you get close enough, your going to be smoothing out the "SUCK" turbulance behind the front car, and letting it gain some speed too.....of course you arent gonna help the front car as much as it's helping you.

Some cars, at speed have a spoiler that gets extended from the rear of the car to aid in downforce....true for a FWD car you'd think it's 100% useless, but it isnt, going at XXX mph and having the rear end floating isnt that safe now is it.....nor is having the front lift up from having too much air go under it. Another example is i think a McLaren, they have a fin that comes out when you brake at speed, to keep the rear planted and not lose control.

But i agree, 90+% of the body kits out there are for looks and nothing else, nothing beneficial at least.



[Modified by Ricehornet, 11:54 PM 6/17/2001]

 

My nose scrapes more often and I take forever to pull out of parking lots.

 

One thing that you can definitely notice is the gas mileage with and without the front lip. I drive 50 miles a day and I get about 2mpg better without the lip than with. I don't drive like a maniac when commuting (aka 5mph over the speedlimit), so I do without the lip.

 

Could it be because it's summer now and you are using your AC more often? I just doubt that a fairly thin and light lip will amount to a measurable difference in aerodynamics, let alone gas mileage.

 

i'm pretty sure everything on the Type R is functional, if it wasn't they wouldn't put it on there....

now if it makes a difference you can notice, i'm not sure...

i'll have to get mine painted and installed one of these days

 

Cosworth: I want to laugh but I'm scared that you might actually be serious.

 

Er, I would doubt that they would not put it on there if it didn't do anything. A lot of that crap is to make the car just a little different so they can charge you more for it!

 

If you take a look at a lot of the new luxo or large sized sedans, most of their front bumpers has a front lip, or a certain bump like a front lip. They are there to reduce the amount of air that goes under the car, therefore, to avoid the car from "lifting" at highway speeds. That was one of the big problems for large sized sedans that floats and becomes very unstable on the highways.

For the Integra, the stock bumper already has a little bump that creates the same effect. I don't think the Type-R lip, or any other front lip would make a drastic difference in aerodynamics. It will make the car more stable somehow, but not something that is a difference of night and day.

I noticed a very big difference in stability when I got a front airdam for my '94 Camry. The Camry's front bumper is very high off the ground, and rolls under the car (no bump or lip), so my Camry was very unstable at highway speeds even after I installed Koni shocks, Eibach lowering springs and Dunlop SP Sport 8000's. Wow, after I got the airdam, my car was even more stable than my Integra...simply fascinating. To make things ever more fascinating, my airdam was the exact same one as the Australian Touring Toyota Camry ('92-94 model), and I actually feel the front being "pushed" down when I reach a speed excess of 100 mph.

 

Haven't you guys heard about the problem they had with the new 225 hp Audi TT in Europe when it was first released? Apparently, the car will became unstable at high speed due to the backend lift causing sudden oversteer. Audi ended up fixing it by adding a spoiler to stabilize the backend.

 

Actually I can't notice any of my aero stuff since it's all just the way it came. I have read "from reputable sources" that the lip the lower suspension stance and the wing all add tot he R's lower 1 point of drag and that the rear wing, "although I think it looks kinda goofy," actually add about 250lbs. of downforce at speed.

I do notice however at higher speeds that both of my R's were alot more stable than my old Ls and my friends 89 Stang. Who would have guessed?

A.

 

Yep, and look at the angle of attack on the wing they installed. It's very steep, which is what helps counteract the lift inherently generated by the TT's body. The angle of attack is key, and on the TT wing, it's greater than that of any riceboy wing. One thing Ricehornet forgot to mention... downforce=drag, but drag does NOT equal downforce. Thus, one inherently creates drag by creating a wing or lip to increase downforce. However, optimizing the downforce/drag ratio... is part of what an F1 aerodynamicist gets paid bucks for. That said, if one truly wanted to create downforce on a car... they'd use an Indycar style wing with a huge scoop effect to it with endplates in order to straighten the wingtip vortices generated on the edge of a wing. The endplates help decrease drag but smoothening the airflow at this area, while the scoop-design is responsible for generating downforce. As for front downforce, check out a SVWC Touring car. Their adjustable front splitters alter the angle of attack in order to change the amount of downforce generated. Plus, their splitters are still much deeper and steeper than any body kit that comes to mind. Most kits drastically increase the frontal area of a car, so effectively, you've just given yourself a blunter edge to cut the wind with. All that being said... I'm sure if you added a 4" strip along the front edge of an ITR rear wing... it would do SOMETHING! Might be a whole bunch of drag, but I'm sure it'd pick up a little downforce there just by having the attack-face there to create a high-pressure zone on top of the wing.