i have been doing a lot of work underneath my car and noticed how loose the stock shift linkage was. this is the looseness in my shifter that i have been worried about for some time. i want to upgrade to the itr linkage because ive heard it is solid as a two-seater benz and better than a short shifter. has anyone done this mod in a G2 integra? if not, any G3 guys make the upgrade and if so what did u think about it?

 

there's no difference in the gen3's.

I know Spoon recommends you change your linkage every 45k miles...of course I don't buy a thin of what Spoon says

 

The linkage is just a solid bar and makes no difference on how the shifter feels. Try replacing the bushings w/ polyurethane, it's only $10-$15 for both bushings.

 

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I thought the ITR was a little stronger cuz it's made out of a different material than the other models (brass?)

 

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I thought the ITR was a little stronger cuz it's made out of a different material than the other models (brass?)</TD></TR></TABLE>

I dunno about the different metals, yes the ITR one is brass colored, but I highly doubt that would make that much difference in how the shifter feels.

 

The JDM ITR one is brass colored.

most, if not all, USDM IR ones are black.

Think about it...they'd use materials with highly similar properties, but of the close tolerances of the tranny. A shift linkage is a crucial part to the longevity of the tranny.

Try buying a short shifter, and definately get some good bushings (for instance the Neuspeed includes the shifter/bushings as a package).

I've thought about cutting the counter weight off my linkage...one of these days I might try it.

 

The ITR shift linkage does act as a short shifter, and there definately is a noticeable differance between oem and the ITR.

I played with one on a g2 at a meet a while back. Its cool.

 

the difference is not in the linkage, it's not physically possible.

the difference in making shorter throws is made with the shift lever

 

i think its fairly safe to say that my linkage is "worn out." there is a lot of play where the two bars and the bottom of the shifter meet. i have installed the poly bushings. there is a lot of side to side play in the linkage. sometimes it rattles on the exhaust. i think upgrading to any new linkage, esp the itr one would improve the feel. there is a little smooth rivet-headed screw that goes through the bottom of the linkage and the bracket that hooks to the bottom of the shifter. this is what is loose and there is no way to adjust it.

 

the shift lever/linkage area is rather poorly designed. it uses rubber washers to both seal in the grease, and provide a pivot point.

this is where shifter like the (now defunct) C's shined...they had bearings, the exact same size and spec as rollerblade bearings if you can believe that (I used to have one )

I'm using the Neuspeed for the time being. Awesome shifter but still has the stock pivot point design.


FYI about my other post.....like I said, the "shortness" is in the shift lever pivot point being a longer or shorter distance from the pivot ball on the lever. It all makes sense once you are down there

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tweakmeister &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the shift lever/linkage area is rather poorly designed. it uses rubber washers to both seal in the grease, and provide a pivot point.

this is where shifter like the (now defunct) C's shined...they had bearings, the exact same size and spec as rollerblade bearings if you can believe that (I used to have one )

I'm using the Neuspeed for the time being. Awesome shifter but still has the stock pivot point design.


FYI about my other post.....like I said, the "shortness" is in the shift lever pivot point being a longer or shorter distance from the pivot ball on the lever. It all makes sense once you are down there </TD></TR></TABLE>

My generic AutoZone short shifter has bearings in the bottom, I love it. Shifts feel very precise, even after 2+ years of use.

 

color me impressed

 

the itr shift linkage makes a large difference in feel. The shifter is brought back toward the driver a cosiderable amount and the shifts feel much smoother rather than the notchy feedback that you can get from the stock DA linkage.

 

maybe we're talking about a different linkage then

 

tweak, this thread was started by an owner of a gen 2 integra, not a g3 like you have. i've done before and after test drives of a g2 with ITR linkage, and the difference is quite noticeable really. same poly bushings, just different linkage. shift feel is MUCH more solid.

 

 

Makes no sense to me how a solid bar(from a gsr or a type R) is going to make a difference...I mean...its solid. Maybe the joints wear out and become loose, but thats about the only thing I can see happening.

 

Here's a pic of my JDM ITR shifter that i have installed on my car (i just did a LS auto tranny to GSR 5speed tranny swap)...



I love the shifter...wouldn't think of changing it for anything

 

so that includes the shift lever?

 

yes it does...most shift linkages include the lever