Just looken for feedback. I know i know weight blah blah. but about how much more does a b18 motor and tranny weigh as aposed to an H22 motor and tranny.

Also any helpful hints
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I searched but didnt come up with much for this any arguments for h22 or b18c5 into an integra. Is H22 really more bang for your buck, is it true that you cant go back from an H22, also how much would an lsthat runs strong w/no prolems and 110g's on it go for complete swap


Modified by EDoTdc2 at 2:52 PM 10/21/2003

 

Do a search for "h22 AND integra" or "h22a AND integra" and you'll find lots of posts already with lots of opinions and feedback. That way you can read up on what everyone has to say, even though most of which is "hear-say" and not actual first-hand experience like some of us have had with the setup, but still none the less good to read up on since there are a lot of posts about it.

 

This is not hearsay-- We (my buddies) installed a H22a in our friends DC2. He ran a 14.7 w/ a short ram intake, and exhaust, which hella wheel spin. The car runs like a champ, and handling is the same. The car doesn't feel any different w/ his Zeal B6 Functions.

here's a pic when he had the Type-r intake on his car.

 

hey that car looks kinda familiar

 

looks like a lot of fun talk about smokey burn outs..

 

Looks a little tight in there. Would a drag kit fit in there?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 8400RPMS &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Looks a little tight in there. Would a drag kit fit in there?</TD></TR></TABLE>

You will soon see what manifold fits under there What up 25+psi!!!

 

uh hu im intreeged. What year is the motor and is it a usdm or a jdm

 

I searched but didnt come up with much for this any arguments for h22 or b18c5 into an integra. Is H22 really more bang for your buck, is it true that you cant go back from an H22, also how much would an lsthat runs strong w/no prolems and 110g's on it go for complete swap

 

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Well, here's your answer: He beats Integra Type-r's when he races them. He just needs to get traction, and he'll get a better 1/4mile time.

 

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You will soon see what manifold fits under there What up 25+psi!!!
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SICK! 25 psi? Holy crap! On what size turbo? What internals?

 

integranator

Your friend has what year/version of H22 that beats type R tegs? I know the 92-96 is only 190 hp, while the 97+ is 200 hp with a little more torque i think. I have a 94 teg and was actually thinking about going big with euro R H22, at 220 hp, some say it's more like 230 hp actually. What 1/4 time should I run with euro R H22?

Thx

 

I read some where it's only 60lbs more,.......

 

looks clean, no ac though huh?

 

Get yourself a jdm h22 and call it a day, euro r is not worth the extra money!

 

Yeah, it is kind of expensive, more like 2 time the price of a jdm H22a. Most like $2000 saved and reallocated into H22a modifications could make up the 20 hp difference between the H22 and the euro R? But the issue is more about the LSD tranny. But that's only a difference of about $300. But what other differences are there between the H22a and euro R?

But the person about the AC question. I live in CA and it's hot here sometimes, so I need AC, and with H22 you could get AC for about $500 on H22. about $350 for labor to twist the lines and $125 for the plate to attach the AC unit.

 

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Well, here's your answer: He beats Integra Type-r's when he races them. He just needs to get traction, and he'll get a better 1/4mile time.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I know he isnt beating me

 

u sure about that? hcp makes an ac mount for the h22 into integra....u can get a regular jdm h22 with lsd as an option...u dont have to get a type s too get lsd... u need drag radials or slicks to take full advantage of the motor...a traction bar and suspnesion would be nice too...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chidoks &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">u sure about that? hcp makes an ac mount for the h22 into integra....</TD></TR></TABLE>

Actually, I was just over there today looking at our project CRX that they're using for a prototype EF-22 mount kit . But I was talking to them about the use of a AC bracket on the H22 (same plate for the EG/EK Civic SOHC compressors) but mounting an Integra compressor for my DC2. The Integra compressor is too big and will not fit in there w/out running into clearance issues with the alternator, framerail, and header, depending on how and where you mount it. So then I looked at the Prelude compressor.... won't work either on the EG/DC chassis because it'll hit the radiator. This was with the HCP kit, as their H22 kits place the motor further back than other mount kits to maximize the clearance up front for AC and/or turbo. So it looks like (for now) that if you want AC in the DC chassis, you need to refit the Civic SOHC compressor to the Integra lines and bolt that up to the H22 block using the HCP bracket.

 

h22a1 is almost exactly 100lbs heavier than b18c1

now as for getting the b18c5 its not that big of an upgrade for the money. i wouldnt do it unless my current motor had some big problem or had over 200,000 mi on it.

actually what model do you have now?

and 25+psi IS ******* INSANITY

 

which model do i have?? the h22 is 80lbs heavier than a b series.... thats the weight of a b series motor and a turbo kit....and its definitely well worth it...a lot of that weight starts to pan out when u take out ac/ps too...

 

iv got an ls with 110000 on it that seems on its way out and ive seen a b18c5 teg beat an h22aprelude

 

an h22 prelude and an h22 integra are two different things....I am speaking from experience...I have an h22 in my teg and i have an h22 prelude which i am currently selling...along with an h22 accord thats for sale too...

 

h22prelude weighs 2954 at 195/200hp in the 5th gen form and 2932 at 190hp in the 4th gen form.
integra type r weighs only 2,577 with 195 hp.
of COURSE the r will beat the lude, there is a 400LB DIFFERENCE!
remember that faster acceleration is achieved with better power/weight ratios, not just more power, otherwise we would just build ten thousand pound - million horsepower steel engines.
NOW, for the h22a integra, sure you have about the same horsepower as the b18c5 teggy (type r) BUT the much higher torque numbers (around 30 foot-pounds more) translate into a much broader powerband that makes power all over the rpm band. your AVERAGE hp will be higher through the rpms you are driving in, and that is what counts.
Now i didnt bring this into account in my first statement, thats because with such a HUGE (400lb) difference, it just doesnt even matter.

P.S. CHidoks you REALLY like those h22s huh? ahaha

 

yeah...gotta love them things...people keep on going b18c's so i can keep on getting h22s for dirt cheap