not forced induction, like turbo, super....but can i make a CAI that has air forced into it from the front of the car while driving? kinda like what a hood scoop would do, but not on the hood. i don't know where, i was wondering if i could get help with that too.

i'm not looking for something half-*** and ghetto, i want it to look good. thanks

 

Ram air? You can setup a tube that goes from your passenger highbeam to an icebox.

 

i want cold air from out of the engine bay. i had a friend that did that to his prelude, but it was ghetto, plus i need to be able to see at night. i want it to be somewhat hidden, or if not hidden, at least look decent.

 

I don't really see how its possible since the air must be filtered before entering the throttle body, thus loosing the force of being pushed in, alas loosing the ram air effect. The best thing I think you can do is use a piece of PVC pipe and get it to channel the colder air into your passenger fender well and get a cold air intake to suck up that air.

 

do you guys think it would be possible to have a CAI that takes air from UNDER the front bumper, under the car? or do you think it would not be as beneficial as a standard CAI since it would have more twists and turns in the piping? it would be forced though. especially when i get up to about 70 or so mph on the interstate.

 

Well, I personally would not want my filter anywhere without some type of protection. Having your filter stick under your car will allow it to get dirty in about 1 day or less of driving. Not only for getting dirty but your also that much closer to hydro-locking your motor if you run through a puddle, that would suck *****. There are people that hydro-lock their motors with it in the fender-well. Pretty much the only safe thing you can do is install a regular CAI and figure out some way to channel the outside air into the fender well.

Um..try this I guess: Get some type of funnel looking thing and connect it to a piece of PVC pipe and somehow put the funnel end on the "mouth" of the front bumper. Place the other end of the pvc pipe into your fender well next to your filter. I doubt you would see noticable differences doing all this but if you want to go though with it, give it a shot.

As for the more twists and turns in the piping, as long as you have mandel bent piping, an extra few inches shouldnt hurt ya.


[Modified by 97RedTegGSR, 7:11 PM 8/4/2002]

 

under the bumper? i wouldn't do that. don't you want to drive in the rain still? one good puddle and your car is dead. unless you got the bypass valve but if your car is dropped how do you expect to get around? just stick with the CAI. if dyno tested that it works, why mess with something that's not wrong.

 

i sort of did what you were trying to do but here's how it went. i took the right side front wheel off, undid the engine skirt, pulled out the fender well skirt and then proceded to remove the airbox baffle tubing system. make sure to remove everything except for the original air box,then take the bottom of your airbox to a local harware store/auto zone to find a tube that will fit in the opening on the bottom of the airbox. push it down by the radiator(be careful not to bend any of the radiator's metal hoses) and where the origiinal air tubing pieces were, route it to the fornt of your bumper and put it all back together,in the summer i leave the top on the airbox and in the winter i leave it open. that's just one way of doing it but i'm sure therer are a million others. have fun with it.


[Modified by au-gsr, 11:55 AM 8/4/2002]

 

or the big green rain gutter flexi straw thing you can buy at any hardware store. really don't know what to call it but that's what i used, granted the air quality bprobably isn't that smooth but it's better thatn the stock airbox pullin in air from the engine bay.

 

IMO, its not worth all of the hassle. What do you actually expect to gain doing all of that? An extra +.05 hp if that..

If it really helped performance, I'm sure AEM and the other big dog companies would have made something to do that.

 

uhhh... didn't Comptech make something called the Icebox using this idea?

 

My filter from my CAI gets a ram air effect, the holes in the BW bumber lead air right to it. Air can also get in under my bumber (untill I fix the fender wells) but I've yet to have a problem in the rain... I also dont drive my car in the rain

 

Here is my "ram air" setup. It is a little bit more "streetable" since you are not eliminating one of the headlights. I primarily use it on the track, but I have used it on the street a few time. It connects to my DIY "Icebox" ( http://www.geocities.com/bretq/DIY_Icebox_CAI.html ) and it takes about 5-10 minutes to switch the stock turn signal lense with the "ram air" turn signal duct. Here are a few pictures:

 

Very clean setup - did you see any improvements in your times?

Let me know if it is worth the work - I might do that to lead some air into my turbo

Dave

 

brett, sweet set up, for a DIY guy. did you notice any changes in power/driveablity?
-Scary

 

When I mentioned that I use my "ram air" setup on the track, I should have said road course. So, I really do not have any comparisions to determine if it helped performance. I do have plans to do some dyno runs with and without the "ram air" duct. I will also take some temperature and pressure readings with and without. Below is a picture which shows my car on track with my ram air duct.



Larger image (cut and paste): http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...0.jpg.orig.jpg

 

That is a very nice and clean looking ram air setup. But doesn't the rushing air loose its inertia when it has to go through the filter? Thus not technically ramming air into the throttle body just making it readily available to the filter.

 

This is what I would like to test by taking pressure readings at different points in the intake system. This type of test would determine if the "ram air" duct is working. Also, my setup is fairly similiar to a lot of World Challenge race cars which have intake openings in the headlight lense (see picture below).

 

yea the filter is a bottle neck but if you are pushing air throught it then it should still have a better flow.

and yes comptech does make a similar product. i'm surprized they are the only ones. i think the reason others dont make it is that its too quiet and doesnt make the cool slurping sound of the CAI grabbing air

i have the same setup as bret (i'll post pics later)
i cut the stock corner light and used flexible dryer exhaust duct to run it into the stock airbox

its safer then CAI, cheaper and less work then any other DIY intake (well the piping at least, the hole in the blinker took a little while)

the duct fits very well into the stock box and since its flexible it seals well around the hole.

to tell you the truth, its one of the best mods i have done so far. with the K&N drop in that i had before the motor reves nice, it feels like it can breath better and it might even be quicker (butt dyno says YES, real dyno says PAY UP so no real results from the real dyno)

home depo $5 for the the duct, and $8 for a pair of stock bumper lights from a rice boy on ebay and it works better then my gf's dads CAI in his GSR

right now i separated the suct from the corner light so i dont have the ram air effet, just cold air from outside. i've had it for a month and the first time it rained it disconected it (i like my motor). having it connected didnt do much. when i disconedted it, it felt a little worst. now i have it disconnected.

anyway, to summarize my babbling if 0 is a stock airbox with a papaer air filter
and 100 all the things that i had here is how much the mods did
30 - K&N
85 - having the duct
95 - getting cold air by making the hole in the blinker
100 - hooking up the blinker to duct for a "RAM AIR" effect

hope this helps

 

On the track, the car did feel more responsive (especially above 70-80 mph).

 

i love speedvision. i'm so pist that i dont get it anymore, since i moved back home from college.

 

It's good if you catch it at a point when it's not showing nascar

 

Yo Bret, have you seen the thread about the DIY intake (your "icetake") compared with the comptech and AEM CAI?

There's a dyno chart of a ITR with the AEM with most gains, comptech second, and your icetake last.
It's in the Integra Type-R Forum. I figure you should know.

EDIT: here it is. https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=245418


[Modified by Calavera, 1:01 AM 8/6/2002]

 

bret where where u able to get this peice?

 

Looks like a "customized" drain fitting for plastic rain gutters.
Local hardware store.