READ THIS!! - Cam Wear - Honda-Tech

Master of the Universe · 06-08-2007, 11:11 AM

I've posted about this before (3 years ago http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=918465) re new SL and later oils (lower zinc/phosphorus forumuations) and cam wear. Just shows how prophetic I am.

http://schneidercams.com/Warranty.htm

Most new cars have roller cams to avoid this problem.

Oil Reccomendations based on talking with an oil industry "insider".

Torco Comments: Top notch base stock. MPZ additive package. High additive ppm.

Motul Comments: Top notch base stock. Z(zinc) additive package.

Redline Comments: Top notch base stock. Z(zinc) additive package.

Modified by Master of the Universe at 12:16 PM 6/22/2007

97L-esVeeTeg · 06-08-2007, 11:18 AM

Good post

I do remember you talking about this a couple years ago on the old RM boards. So i guess you are phophetic, in a sense, now dont let it go to your head

Master of the Universe · 06-08-2007, 11:21 AM

This post needs to be stickied or a post with the same message/info needs to be stickied.

Here is a chance for H-T to do some real good.

d16dcoe45 · 06-08-2007, 12:57 PM

That is one reason I have been using Mobil 1 Delvac diesel oil--5w-40. Since the main reason they took out the zinc and the EP additives (or a good portion of it) was because it can be damaging to modern cat. converters, the diesel oils have full EP additives because diesels have no cats.

Great oil. You can get it in the 4 quart tub.

Combustion Contraption · 06-08-2007, 01:31 PM

Mobil 1 also has a series of 0w-30 "race" oil that would protect against this problem, and Amsoils line of diesel lubricants are pretty good as well.

MOTU, are people that are experiencing problems related to the new oils experiencing cam breakage due to lack of the high pressure lubricants, or are they experiencing lobe flattening?

Master of the Universe · 06-08-2007, 01:57 PM

It's a wear issue which can lead to lobe wear >> harsh valve motion >> heads of valves falling off >> broken cams >> broken motors >> broken hearts >> dejected souls >> and then finally, my favorite, the singing of the Swan Song "Woe is Me, feel bad for me folks, my motor is broke and the manufacturer won't help me.".

This is situation is made worse by the fact that perf cams are usually ran with more spring pressure and higher rpms than stock cams.

<< I am 3 years ahead of da curve, yo!! bling blang!! cling clang goes the choo choo. Goo Goo Gjoo, I am the Walrus...

ToeJam · 06-08-2007, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d16dcoe45

That is one reason I have been using Mobil 1 Delvac diesel oil--5w-40. Since the main reason they took out the zinc and the EP additives (or a good portion of it) was because it can be damaging to modern cat. converters, the diesel oils have full EP additives because diesels have no cats.

Great oil. You can get it in the 4 quart tub.

so would runing diesel motor oil like the kind stated above do more good or harm for a car with a cat? I always thought about running it but was a little hesitant because of the cat issues.

Phil M · 06-08-2007, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Master of the Universe

It's a wear issue which can lead to lobe wear >> harsh valve motion >> heads of valves falling off >> broken cams >> broken motors >> broken hearts >> dejected souls >> and then finally, my favorite, the singing of the Swan Song "Woe is Me, feel bad for me folks, my motor is broke and the manufacturer won't help me.".

This is situation is made worse by the fact that perf cams are usually ran with more spring pressure and higher rpms than stock cams.

<< I am 3 years ahead of da curve, yo!! bling blang!! cling clang goes the choo choo. Goo Goo Gjoo, I am the Walrus...

I totally agree with you.
On another note, you're a ****ing weirdo! LOL!

clean rice · 06-08-2007, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Master of the Universe

<< I am 3 years ahead of da curve, yo!! bling blang!! cling clang goes the choo choo. Goo Goo Gjoo, I am the Walrus...

lol!

erikiksaz1 · 06-12-2007, 09:56 PM

What about using a diesel oil such as Rotella?

The data sheet from Shell doesn't seem to have as much "stuff" on it as other sheet's I've seen. I use "stuff" because damn near all of it is greek to me.

http://www.shell.com/static//c...1.pdf

1.8L_allmotormilitia · 06-12-2007, 09:57 PM

dope.

Soda Popinski · 06-12-2007, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Master of the Universe

<< I am 3 years ahead of da curve, yo!! bling blang!! cling clang goes the choo choo. Goo Goo Gjoo, I am the Walrus...

"Paddy Tanniger, the caddie manager.
Yeah, it rhymes, big whoop. Wanna fight about it?"

koczeka · 06-12-2007, 11:24 PM

Please share info on popular motor oils.
Thanks

Televator · 06-12-2007, 11:43 PM

Soda Popinski, wouldn't Piston Honda be a more fitting name on these forums? LOL! Anyway, since someone mentioned M1, didn't Mobile 1 pull a big "no no" and reformulate to be similar to "other" so called full synthetics.

Master of the Universe · 06-14-2007, 09:42 AM

Fortify "emission" based SL and SM Rated oils with something like this or just buy a race/motorcycle/diesel oil of the proper weight for your motor.

Master of the Universe · 06-14-2007, 02:47 PM

Well, I could have gone with a nice name like "JDM_SIR" but thought Master of the Universe would be more comical.

Are you a Decpticon?

When you ask the devil if he is the devil he can not help but say yes.

RMF Headers · 06-14-2007, 02:52 PM

HEY BOBBY is that you?So the master of the universe is ASIAN? DOH

Master of the Universe · 06-14-2007, 02:55 PM

Okay, you can get away with calling me "Bobby", but only you and maybe two other grand masters.

You still bobbing n weaving or just weaving??

DonF · 06-14-2007, 03:01 PM

RM, where are "Bobby's" headers? I was going to dyno these like, about months ago. Now I am stuck with SMSP headers. Bob and Weave, is that a hair style? Glad you feel better, and are off the C****.

RMF Headers · 06-14-2007, 03:07 PM

LOL DICKS botha ya. Well now i know who the other one is...

Master of the Universe · 06-14-2007, 03:10 PM

Doh, I just finally "got" your sig. Drama in the "inner" circle.

RMF Headers · 06-14-2007, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Master of the Universe

Doh, I just finally "got" your sig. Drama in the "inner" circle.

No drama, Just a comment

DonF · 06-14-2007, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TypeXisMetrosexual

when i think of bob, randy don and myself on these boards, i think of this:

I see you are trying to "up-grade" your standing's.

R-Toyz.com · 06-15-2007, 12:56 PM

MOTU

Will adding B&G MOA be enough to make up for the the new formulation of oils?

06-08-2007, 11:11 AM	#1
Master of the Universe Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 6,493	READ THIS!! - Cam Wear I've posted about this before (3 years ago http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=918465) re new SL and later oils (lower zinc/phosphorus forumuations) and cam wear. Just shows how prophetic I am. http://schneidercams.com/Warranty.htm Most new cars have roller cams to avoid this problem. Oil Reccomendations based on talking with an oil industry "insider". Torco Comments: Top notch base stock. MPZ additive package. High additive ppm. Motul Comments: Top notch base stock. Z(zinc) additive package. Redline Comments: Top notch base stock. Z(zinc) additive package. Modified by Master of the Universe at 12:16 PM 6/22/2007 __________________ Semi-Retired as of April 25, 2007. Don't bother to PM me. I am tired of internet fools. Contact via RM Dealer or e-mail.

06-08-2007, 11:21 AM	#3
Master of the Universe Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 6,493	Re: READ THIS!! - Cam Wear (97L-esVeeTeg) This post needs to be stickied or a post with the same message/info needs to be stickied. Here is a chance for H-T to do some real good. __________________ Semi-Retired as of April 25, 2007. Don't bother to PM me. I am tired of internet fools. Contact via RM Dealer or e-mail.

06-08-2007, 12:57 PM	#4
d16dcoe45 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Armonk, NY, USA Posts: 3,729	Re: READ THIS!! - Cam Wear (Master of the Universe) That is one reason I have been using Mobil 1 Delvac diesel oil--5w-40. Since the main reason they took out the zinc and the EP additives (or a good portion of it) was because it can be damaging to modern cat. converters, the diesel oils have full EP additives because diesels have no cats. Great oil. You can get it in the 4 quart tub. __________________ Cusco EF master cylinder brace-- brand new, unopened, still in package $75 shipped obo (RHD ONLY!!!) WTB: 88-89 Civic hatch driver side door w/ glass and regulator. Losi xxx4 G+ Associated Rc10 t4 FT Losi xxx BK2 JConcepts BJ4 WE

06-08-2007, 01:31 PM	#5
Combustion Contraption Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: So Cal Posts: 8,534	Mobil 1 also has a series of 0w-30 "race" oil that would protect against this problem, and Amsoils line of diesel lubricants are pretty good as well. MOTU, are people that are experiencing problems related to the new oils experiencing cam breakage due to lack of the high pressure lubricants, or are they experiencing lobe flattening? __________________ EARL LASKEY, YOU WILL BE MISSED CCCylinderheads.com Check out the INDUCTION SPECIAL Matco Doublebay Toolbox FOR SALE Click Here!

06-08-2007, 01:57 PM	#6
Master of the Universe Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 6,493	Re: (Combustion Contraption) It's a wear issue which can lead to lobe wear >> harsh valve motion >> heads of valves falling off >> broken cams >> broken motors >> broken hearts >> dejected souls >> and then finally, my favorite, the singing of the Swan Song "Woe is Me, feel bad for me folks, my motor is broke and the manufacturer won't help me.". This is situation is made worse by the fact that perf cams are usually ran with more spring pressure and higher rpms than stock cams. << I am 3 years ahead of da curve, yo!! bling blang!! cling clang goes the choo choo. Goo Goo Gjoo, I am the Walrus... __________________ Semi-Retired as of April 25, 2007. Don't bother to PM me. I am tired of internet fools. Contact via RM Dealer or e-mail.

06-12-2007, 09:56 PM	#10
erikiksaz1 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,188	Re: (clean rice) What about using a diesel oil such as Rotella? The data sheet from Shell doesn't seem to have as much "stuff" on it as other sheet's I've seen. I use "stuff" because damn near all of it is greek to me. http://www.shell.com/static//c...1.pdf

06-12-2007, 09:57 PM	#11
1.8L_allmotormilitia Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Chevy Chase dr. Posts: 2,454	dope.

06-12-2007, 11:24 PM	#13
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06-12-2007, 11:43 PM	#14
Televator Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Tempe/Scottsdale, AZ, USA Posts: 1,264	Re: (Soda Popinski) Soda Popinski, wouldn't Piston Honda be a more fitting name on these forums? LOL! Anyway, since someone mentioned M1, didn't Mobile 1 pull a big "no no" and reformulate to be similar to "other" so called full synthetics. __________________ 無限'93 Prelude Si VTEC BB1 Black Art

06-14-2007, 09:42 AM	#15
Master of the Universe Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 6,493	Re: (Televator) Fortify "emission" based SL and SM Rated oils with something like this or just buy a race/motorcycle/diesel oil of the proper weight for your motor. __________________ Semi-Retired as of April 25, 2007. Don't bother to PM me. I am tired of internet fools. Contact via RM Dealer or e-mail.

06-14-2007, 02:47 PM	#16
Master of the Universe Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 6,493	Re: (IUsedAll25charactersFTMFW) Well, I could have gone with a nice name like "JDM_SIR" but thought Master of the Universe would be more comical. Are you a Decpticon? When you ask the devil if he is the devil he can not help but say yes. __________________ Semi-Retired as of April 25, 2007. Don't bother to PM me. I am tired of internet fools. Contact via RM Dealer or e-mail.

06-14-2007, 02:52 PM	#17
RMF Headers B A N N E D Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: he said touch the blue one Posts: 203	Re: (Master of the Universe) HEY BOBBY is that you?So the master of the universe is ASIAN? DOH

06-14-2007, 02:55 PM	#18
Master of the Universe Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 6,493	Re: (RMF Headers) Okay, you can get away with calling me "Bobby", but only you and maybe two other grand masters. You still bobbing n weaving or just weaving?? __________________ Semi-Retired as of April 25, 2007. Don't bother to PM me. I am tired of internet fools. Contact via RM Dealer or e-mail.

06-14-2007, 03:01 PM	#19
DonF Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Atl. Beach, fl, duval Posts: 4,701	Re: (Master of the Universe) RM, where are "Bobby's" headers? I was going to dyno these like, about months ago. Now I am stuck with SMSP headers. Bob and Weave, is that a hair style? Glad you feel better, and are off the C****.

06-14-2007, 03:07 PM	#20
RMF Headers B A N N E D Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: he said touch the blue one Posts: 203	Re: (DonF) LOL DICKS botha ya. Well now i know who the other one is...

06-14-2007, 03:10 PM	#21
Master of the Universe Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 6,493	Re: (RMF Headers) Doh, I just finally "got" your sig. Drama in the "inner" circle. __________________ Semi-Retired as of April 25, 2007. Don't bother to PM me. I am tired of internet fools. Contact via RM Dealer or e-mail.

06-15-2007, 12:56 PM	#24
R-Toyz.com Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: D block, CT, USA Posts: 1,998	MOTU Will adding B&G MOA be enough to make up for the the new formulation of oils? __________________ R-Toyz.com :: High Performance and Urban Lifestye E-Zine www.R-Toyz.com Backyard Bombshells :: An Exclusive Online Community for the Everday Hottie www.BackyardBombshells.com

06-15-2007, 01:39 PM	#25
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