jdm2000gsr

Im thinking on getting me some rims and I wonder if it would fit on my dc2
16x8 et20 2.0 lip size
Anyone please help and I was wondering what tires are good to get without the rubbing

toyomatt84

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That wheel size will not fit safely without an extreme amount of negative camber or serious body work to increase wheel/tire clearance. For an 8" wide wheel, 215/45/16's will be the smallest tire size that will fit both your car and the wheels safely. You can get a 16x8 +35 to fit with those tires, but it requires fender rolling and a tiny bit of negative camber.

MonkeyMagic

are ya now?

no they won't fit without some work, if you move up to a +35 offset it'll be real f'in close. +40 will fit just fine. 205/45/16 would work, it's what i use. 205/40/16 may help even more, but they'll look like rubber bands. oh and you will have some cutting and cambering with anything less than +35. but when you wear through the tires in a couple months, don't blame me. i warned you now.

what tires are good to get without rubbing? lmao, you're funny

sohc95vtec-t

^not true on either part. Have any real experience with running a similar sized wheel? A 16x8 +40 will contact the suspension, or come extremely close. People throw out offset numbers like they have any relevance when not paired with the right width, and are completely ignorant to backspacing.

I can tell you for a fact that "extreme" negative camber is not necessary, my last set was 16x8.5 +25 (same front spacing, aka fender fitment, as a 16x8 +20) and fit easily with only rolled fenders, barely stretched tires, and natural camber the car pulled.

You however are correct Matt about the 16x8 +35 being a nice fit for a mildly dropped car with a "properly" sized tire. I had 8 +32's on the rear of my car with barely rolled fenders, and around 1-1.5 degrees of negative camber and fit no issues.

But what do I know?

*edit: Just to clarify, I'm not suggesting that OP put this size wheel on his car, just throwing some real world experience out there

MonkeyMagic

16x8 +38 on my car now, i've got plenty of room to expand before contacting trailing arms or knuckles. google it.

sohc95vtec-t

Either your car is not a 4 lug civic/integra, or your just wrong. Please define "plenty of room". Because at 6" of backspacing, what your supposed 16x8 +38 wheels are at, you are just about maxed out (~.5" inner clearance, what we consider the maximum safe backspace) and anything further than that WILL contact the suspension.

No need to google anything, I do this for a living, and have PERSONALLY test fit plenty of wheels at this spec, and know what clears and what doesnt. Your closest point at 6" backspace is the rear camber arm on the trailing arm, which will have roughly .5" clearance.

So please, school me

MonkeyMagic

i had it in my head his was an itr, thereby 5 lug. you're right, gsr/4 lug cars will not fit those wheels without spacers.

lol you would know though huh?

TunerN00b

I really don't understand why people go for this look.


OP, there are plenty of wheels that actually fit the car without issue to choose from.

Maluko

LOL WTH IS GOING ON THERE^

sohc95vtec-t

Kennyjai

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what tire size are you running and did you have to roll the rear?

BlazedD

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Did you actually try fitting 16x8 +40 wheels on a 4x100 civic/integra? I don't think I can agree that it will contact the suspension or come close enough to do so unless there is hella camber involved.

I would say anything upto +42 or so should be perfectly fine clearance wise with a 16x8, from my limited experience with 4x100 wheels/setups that is.

sohc95vtec-t

Yes, I have tested it at a 16x8 +38 (6" backspace) and like I said was around .5" clearance (could hardly stick the tip of my finger between the wheel and the nearest suspension point.

a 16x8 +40 is just over 6" backspace, which yes is only slightly closer to the suspension, but would at a minimum create lock to lock inner rubbing up front. Camber would have no effect as these cars are not McPherson strut (which can be adjusted at different points), and the suspension would camber in along with the wheel, meaning that distance would not change.

On a 5 lug (ITR/CTR) hub you can go with around a 6.25" backspacing before you get close enough to the inside to create any issues.

If this is really so hard for people to understand, I will gladly take multiple pictures of suspension clearance with 5.75" (safe), 6" (getting close), 6.125" and 6.25" (too close for comfort) backspacing on a standard 4 lug civic/integra.

BlazedD

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You said 'will contact or come extremely close' in the post I quoted so I asked. I brought up hella camber because I honestly wouldn't know about that as all I've used are stock arms.

Couple of examples:

Here is a guy who ran 16x8 +46 on the front of his EM1 with 3mm spacers bringing his offset to +43. He said he had 0 issues and had plenty of clearance; even ran similar setups in his EG.

http://htarchive.org/showthread.php?t=3034821

Here is another guy with 16x8 +42; sitting pretty sunk too.

http://ht-archive.org/showthread.php?p=43379391

There aren't too many people running 16x8 4x100 wheels but I find this kinda stuff pretty interesting. I don't work for any wheel company so please, excuse my ignorance.

sohc95vtec-t

Must have missed that part But no, I have not gone past a 6" backspace because that is as far in as I would go (personally speaking). Im sure some have gone to 6.25" (where a 16x8 +43 is) but that's closer than I'd want to go (again, my personal opinion). Some people like 195 tires on 8" wide wheels, sure it can be done, but thats pushing it a bit further than I'd feel comfortable.

Regardless if the car has 0 camber, or -5 degrees, the suspension all moves as 1, so does not change that distance.

Im speaking from personal experience, not what I read on the internet, no need to work for a wheel company to do that Not trying to start any e-arguements, just adding my .02

Enough speculation, I'll bring some parts home tonight, and build some wheels around those specs and take pictures to show the "plenty of clearance" you have with a 16x8 +43 wheel (6.25" backspace)

toyomatt84

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Yeah, I'm quite jealous now. Talk about some serious perks.

sohc95vtec-t

Haha yea, its a pretty cool perk I guess lol. Didnt forget to do this, just didnt have any time this weekend, going to screw with the car tonight, and take pictures of:

16x8 with a 5.875" BS, 6" BS, 6.125" BS, and 6.25" BS. I know most people have no clue about wheel fitment in backspace, so in reference, that is equivalent to a 16x8 +35, +38, +41, and +44

Will update later on...

BlazedD

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I didn't miss anything Wray; I read the extremely close part, in fact, you even quoted me quoting you saying that. I clearly asked if you tried 16x8 +40. You quoted yourself and boldened a bit about how you personally test fit many wheels at that spec, etc. Then you replied that you tested it at +38 and had .5 inch of clearance. .5 inch is about 12.7 mm of clearance so, going from +38 to +40 is getting 2mm closer which leaves 10+ mm of clearance. If you go upto +42,then you should still have 8+ mm of clearance.

I understand that you are not comfortable with it but that is not the same thing as '..will not clear..'. You also now say 'sure it can be done..' and honestly the entire post that I just quoted is worded much differently than your previous posts where you vehemently declared you know what clears and doesn't, etc.

Wheel clearance and running stretched tires are not quite the same thing. If a wheel does not clear and comes in contact with the suspension, would someone run those wheels? Wheels either clear or they don't. Stretched tire concept is a bit different in this aspect as it is more of a preference than clearance issue, wouldn't you agree?

As far as the 'not what I read on the internet' bit is concerned, I'm not sure what you are implying there; please feel free to elaborate. I posted those particular links to show you that 16x8 +40 and higher offsets in 4x100 cleared fine for those guys, in particular, teggy182. If you are going to debunk them simply because they are from the 'internet' then, this entire conversation becomes moot, as we are on the internet, having this conversation.

Show off.

MonkeyMagic

my personal experience is no roll with a 205/45/16 gives no rub. that is on a itr converted gsr. i cannot say for a civic with itr/ctr suspension.

sohc95vtec-t

Haha appreciate the reply Raza, maybe my original post was more so based on personal opinion of what would be safe to run. In brief (i'll update with pictures shortly) A 16X8 +44 (6.25" bs) fits the front "decent" (.25" clearance to knuckle) but nearly contacts the trailing arm in the rear (1-2mm clearance). Even any slight bend in the wheel (which yes, can create some lateral runout of a few mm) would then cause the wheel to interfere with the trailing arm.

I guess I will correct myself. a 16x8 +42 WILL clear, but is still extremely close to the suspension. But I will stand by my statement that 6" backspace (16x8 +38) is the closest that I PERSONALLY would feel safe running

BlazedD

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Thank you Wray; I appreciate it.

Kseries_em

I ran 16x8 et20 here with no problems. Did a little fender rolling in the rear of course. None necessary for the front.

EF91Sedan

You guys think that wheel size will fit a 91 Civic Sedan that has been lowered around 4"

sohc95vtec-t

Front at 6.25" (16x8 +44)



Front at 6.00" (16x8 +35)



Rear trailing arm clearance at 6.25" back space (16x8 +44)



Rear camber arm at 6.25" back space (16x8 +44)



Rear trailing arm at 6.00" back space (16x8 +35)



Rear camber arm at 6.00" back space (16x8 +35)



Hope these visuals help out a little. Also keep in mind this applies for a 16" wheel on a car with 4x100 civic/integra hubs. Different contours, diameters, and brake setups will change these numbers

2LEM1

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