hks-gst

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lets see it's 2.0L pushing around 20 pounds of boost. So you say it's 330whp with bolt ons. Last time I checked you can push 350whp on 12psi on a bone stock gsr. Let's take a 84mm gsr (2.0l), built to handle well over 20psi. On 20psi we are talking about 500whp. So why the fuckI would you swap in a 4g63 motor in the civic if out motors are far superior to junk DSM motors? I'm not even talking about crazy built H and K series</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think you should do alittle more research on a 4g63....My friend runs 25psi on 93oct and 30+psi at the track on race gas this being on a stock bottom end...dont belive me? I will be more then glad to show you datalogs....you say honda motors are far superior? let me begin with the 6bolt head, the head flows more in its stock form then a then a extensivly ported b-series honda head...next the bottom end will plain and simple take more punishment then any honda block made..why? because the 6 bolt 4g63 is CAST IRON as apposed to the honda aluminum blocks, in order for honda engines to run any sort of HIGH BOOST reliably they have to be sleeved. btw the fastest 4cyl in the world is a 4g63t. Im not here to say one engine is better then another...I just dont like seeing misinformation being spread. :

rkeith

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Our motors are far superior to junk DSM motors?</TD></TR></TABLE>


You really should do your homework before trying to get cute, spouting off about something you really know nothing about.

mwolf83

I really like what the guy said about the 20psi dsm vs the honda. This means absolutely nothing, its not as if the two cars have identical turbos on them, 20 psi from what one had a turbo from a diesel submarine and the other from a radio controlled car. If it isnt the same turbo the lbs of pressure comparison means nothing. Now even if they were the same, yes the dsm 1g head should be able to take in more air than the honda head will ever be able to do, but the honda head is probably one of the most efficient heads ever created, so it has things like velocity and valve overlap from the vtec. They are both incredible heads.

suicide_shift

closed deck............open deck

cast iron block

aluminum block

both forged crank

forged pistons DSM

small tdo4h-15g stock
1st gen head flow = greater

VTC electornic lift cntrl

not a bad combonation and VERY VERY cheap ive seen 5 of these in the junkyard

but less relible higher milage if not rebuilt. not a bad motor i like them

debow_8787

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1222050 my buddy bot this and it was a fast car my buddy talk to the guy that did the swap and he ran a 11.7QT with itit was a fun car.

MidShipCivic

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People do 500whp on stock motors with 130k on them stock rods and the early 22mm wrist pin pistons.

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and the eclipse gst is fwd, the gsx is awd. converting the car to rwd would be a true waste of money and time. i have seen an awd integra from braille auto or whatever, it was ok but definitely not worth the money.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Braille auto Integra wasn't AWD it was 4wd CRV drivetrains have no center diff so it sucks.

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just keep your motor and build it. the heads on the 4g63 arent all that great to begin with and the older 7-bolt motors had bad problems with crank walk.</TD></TR></TABLE>

92.5 up engine had check valves for oil squirter's feeding from the mains they must be removed they are unreliable, and on top of that users who build their engines and report crank walk later are build faults. Every engine has crank walk / end play it's just a controlled thing .

joeygigs123

lets see it's 2.0L pushing around 20 pounds of boost. So you say it's 330whp with bolt ons. Last time I checked you can push 350whp on 12psi on a bone stock gsr. Let's take a 84mm gsr (2.0l), built to handle well over 20psi. On 20psi we are talking about 500whp. So why the [freak]I would you swap in a 4g63 motor in the civic if out motors are far superior to junk DSM motors? I'm not even talking about crazy built H and K series.

If you want a rwd honda get s2k and boost that. Last time I checked they do 10s on stock internals, stock rear end and some bfg drag radials.


ok the turbo in the gsr is probly bigger the compression is higher you really cant say their junk motors yes they have their flaws like crank walking but that usally only applies to the 97 turbos but other than that their very good motors the 6 bolts engines have a bottom end that can usally handel 500hp on a stok bottem end

Boost LI

So no one knows who currentlyy owns this car huh
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1222050

ShaunRR

This thread is immortal, it will not die! haha.

Schister66

I realize that the 4G63 is a pretty decent engine, but for a little more money and a lot less headache, i'd much rather run a K24/K20A turbo setup in my GSR.

808DB1

disgrace to the almighty honda

civic95hbvtec

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1222050

That car was built by TJ at Englishracing.net check it out.

Everything was fully functional

Boost LI

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That car was built by TJ at Englishracing.net check it out.

Everything was fully functional</TD></TR></TABLE>Cool, I have been trying to find this car. All I know is that it is in Washington and no one seems to be able to help me track it down.

spoonhatchblack

If your in search of a new transplant (4g63)...Minus well buy a DSM...w/the amount of work...

MidShipCivic

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Almighty ?

xxbulaxx

Anyone know what to do for axles? Just a custom set from someone like DSS?

HiProfile

The white one above seems to have used the entire drivetrain and suspension. For just a FWD version using civic hubs, you'd just need a company to make a hybrid axle. All they do (usually) is use the inner cup from the tranny, then match the axle's innerboard spines to the bearing holder. If you look at a CV joint taken apart, you'll understand.

IMO a FWD 4g63 in a Honda isn't really worth it. Even a boosted K20 is cheaper and more reliable than an &gt;14yr-old turbo Mitsu engine. No offence ment, just a known fact. I would enjoy a fully-rebuilt AWD 4G63 drive/suspension, although you may as well use Evo part at that point...

xxbulaxx

The white one above looks like a 4-lug front and 5-lug rear...So I'm assuming it's still the civic's front hub and carrier.

I'm going to do one...I'll have to see if someone can take my measurements and build axles to work with the stock front hubs. Then I can just mock it all up in there with the axles and build the motor and trans mounts around that.

As for the rear end assembly...The DSM rear is ridiculously simple as far as mounting goes. Anyone with basic chassis experience would be able to build crossmembers to bolt the rear end assembly too. And it can probably use the stock strut towers since the struts don't affect the camber...The rear end has upper control arms.

Just a matter of dropping a plum bob, lining it all up, and seeing if it will clear the stock floor.

MidShipCivic

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Even a boosted K20 is cheaper and more reliable than an &gt;14yr-old turbo Mitsu engine. No offence ment, just a known fact. </TD></TR></TABLE>

No.

HamiltonRex

1. A moron usually can't swap and turbo a k20 into a civic.
2. A moron can buy a boost controller for his stock already turbo dsm and crank up the boost.

Option 1 is usually done properly and gets good reports.
Option 2 usually ends in failure, and the owner(s) complain on how its junk etc.. And thus giving DSM's a bad rap.

DSM's are cheap and thats why guys with less money run them, and alot of guys who are trying to run them 'budget' end up damaging them due to lack of proper care etc.. From low funds.

I own a turbo honda, as well as a built dsm, and both have their high's and low points, but in the end a car is only what you make of it.

Boost LI

Immortal

alpha

I tuned one a couple weeks ago. But it is too JDM for H-T


Modified by alpha at 11:46 AM 8/12/2008

E-Rok

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lets see it's 2.0L pushing around 20 pounds of boost. So you say it's 330whp with bolt ons. Last time I checked you can push 350whp on 12psi on a bone stock gsr. Let's take a 84mm gsr (2.0l), built to handle well over 20psi. On 20psi we are talking about 500whp. So why the [freak]I would you swap in a 4g63 motor in the civic if out motors are far superior to junk DSM motors? I'm not even talking about crazy built H and K series.

If you want a rwd honda get s2k and boost that. Last time I checked they do 10s on stock internals, stock rear end and some bfg drag radials.</TD></TR></TABLE>

you are an idiot.

Turbocivic94

Honda Engines are much superior than 4G63. I know cause I owned few of them. You need triple the boost to be effecient.

1sick4g63

iTrader: (1)

Some of these statements are completely ignorant. Some of you are just jumping on the band wagon and others have no idea what your talking about.
Yes I own a dsm, I've had 3 in total, still have one.
Turbocivic94- I don't think a honda engine is superior than a 4g63. And your statment about boost could be a lot of reasons why a dsm would need more boost than a honda. First reason could be compression.
Some dsm people stick with 8.5:1 and some go lower so you can run more boost. Now if your car is 9.5:1 you can run really good times on 10psi.

For you guys that think bolt on's don't do much. Look on you tube. Strictly modified's 2g dsm 5spd evo3 16g turbo and no major mods went 10.98 in the quarter.
No high end fmic (it was a stock evo fmic), no tubular or fancy turbo manifold, just an evo3 one. Stock intake manifold. No AEM EMS.