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Old 01-05-2005, 08:07 AM
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If anyone wants to have their shocks dyno'd that have not been already (i'd love to see some spoon or mugen n1 damper graphs) I will pay for shipping to Koni.
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How long of turn around time would it take to have a shock dyno'd? I may be interested in sending my omni's in for dyno'ing but I need them on the car in less then a month.
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I would need to contact Lee @ koni - they are very busy but it should not be too long
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Here is Ell Pollo Diablos ZEAL S6 shock dynos:

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=878895
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Can anyone comment on what kind of shock-dyno results would be optimum for a drag-race setup (without wheelie bars)?
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Old 01-05-2005, 12:41 PM
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That's what im trying to learn as well. Im thinking the low speed areas of the map are most important in drag.
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Old 01-05-2005, 01:00 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 743power &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Here is Ell Pollo Diablos ZEAL S6 shock dynos:

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=878895</TD></TR></TABLE>

thanks, added.
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RJ - has anyone approached Rinde about getting some of his stuff dyno'd? I've heard the Motons are sitting on a shelf uninstalled. And if they're on the car, he should have some Mugen lowdowns available.

Also, didn't Ratcliffe take the Motons (or JRZs or whatever) off his original H3 car to make it ITS legal?
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Old 01-05-2005, 01:56 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by krshultz &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">RJ - has anyone approached Rinde about getting some of his stuff dyno'd? I've heard the Motons are sitting on a shelf uninstalled. And if they're on the car, he should have some Mugen lowdowns available.</TD></TR></TABLE>

They were Mugen N1's and I'd love to see them tested - I'll send him a PM

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Also, didn't Ratcliffe take the Motons (or JRZs or whatever) off his original H3 car to make it ITS legal?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Motons... i know shocktek put them on a dyno, b/c they tried to get his new setup (revalved bilstein) close. I'll see if he has them
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DIRep972 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How long of turn around time would it take to have a shock dyno'd? I may be interested in sending my omni's in for dyno'ing but I need them on the car in less then a month. </TD></TR></TABLE>

lee already tested them.

refer to my earlier post, with the qoute from "shock dude" that was lee, he tested them and thats what he had to say about them.

i took some pictures of my spss3 graphs and well you can't really make out ****, so i need to wait for a scanner, oooo ya to those people who said difference from left to right were bad scetchy my koni's are different from left to right, but are "perfectly fine, and toatly exceptable"-jay morris
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We need someone to explain the explanation of how to read these graphs
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Old 01-06-2005, 05:14 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Racer Dude &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">We need someone to explain the explanation of how to read these graphs </TD></TR></TABLE>

it is in the first post.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slammed_93_hatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

lee already tested them.

refer to my earlier post, with the qoute from "shock dude" that was lee, he tested them and thats what he had to say about them.

i took some pictures of my spss3 graphs and well you can't really make out ****, so i need to wait for a scanner, oooo ya to those people who said difference from left to right were bad scetchy my koni's are different from left to right, but are "perfectly fine, and toatly exceptable"-jay morris</TD></TR></TABLE>

yeh, I read that. But he didn't really say too much about the curve or it's actual dampening force. Most of his comment was opinion(w/ credibility) and a comparison. Id still like to see the dyno myself though, or at least here some actual #'s on it.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DIRep972 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

yeh, I read that. But he didn't really say too much about the curve or it's actual dampening force. Most of his comment was opinion(w/ credibility) and a comparison. Id still like to see the dyno myself though, or at least here some actual #'s on it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

send him a PM maybe he could dig up the chart.


anyone in the SACRAMETNO AREA that would like to get there shocks dyno'd contact me via PM.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 743power &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Here is Ell Pollo Diablos ZEAL S6 shock dynos:

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=878895</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thanks

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Here is the front suspension dyno for my 98 200SX SE-R. Just got revalved by Pro-Parts/Tri-Point. These are the authorized Koni rebuilder here in the LA area. Tri-Point runs/builds the Mazda cars in the WC series. I went to their store and I was drooling over these cars.

These are DA 80 series Koni dampers. Notice the low speed tuning and the 95% match between the left and right shocks. I will run 650 front springs with these.

http://www.geocities.com/n_dah...n.jpg

I welcome all comments if there are any issues with the shocks. I just want to learn more about shock dynos.


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I would like to request that we sticky this thread please.

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Please sticky this!!!!!
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When I get a chance. I"ll take the KYB SSGs off my car and get them to Lee for testing.
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Ok, so, I finally got around to having the Buddy Club Racing Spec Dampers tested. First off, thanks to Lee for providing the free service, for getting it all done quickly, and for overall being a stand-up and helpful guy. I'll try to sum up what he said about them, and if anyone has more detailed questions, feel free to PM me (I'll be reiterating what he told me )

- Similar to a lot of JDM kits, in that they're relatively linear, with not much emphasis on low speed rebound of bump, but they are at the better end of that range.
- Lee- "rebound adjusting range is probably one of the widest that I have seen of the JDM stuff, that is good as it gives you more options to adjust within however it is mostly in the mid to higher speed where it has the effects and not really in the low speed range where the subtle motions of the car would be effected."
-Well matched side-to-side, number of clicks doesn't represent the same position in the adjustment range itself (5 of 15 clicks is not 30% stiff or whatever) [It was more like 5 clicks = 25%, 10 clicks = 50%, 15 clicks = max]
-The front shocks were a little weird apparently; with "the biggest thing is the obscene amount of force that they make in the upper end (10,000+ Newtons at .33 meter)." There's a crapload of explanation about that, boiling down to something like the fronts are sort of overdamped, and are definitely overdamped higher than 10 clicks. There's also the issue of heat absorption, apparently typical of needle valve shocks. That is to say, the shocks have a tendency to fade due to the design, and greater stiffness would exacerbate that problem.

For the brief subjective review, the roads have been crappy with ice and snow lately, so I haven't really been able to fiddle with them. Currently, the shocks are set to 0F/0R, just to get a feel for them. This "feels" understeerish, which I expected. When the weather gets nicer I'll mess with them more. They are indeed very stiff feeling, but also nice and solid. Comparing them to my previous Zeal Function B6s, they feel a little better, although the design isn't nearly as nice. Also compared to the more recent KYB AGX with Skunk2 coilovers, it's a night and day difference, with everything being better.

Annnnnd now that I'm ready to post the charts, I find that We-todd doesn't allow PDF files. Anyone want to help me out?
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If you have a copy of photo shop, you can open the pdf file & save it as a jpg. If you wan't, you can e-mail me the pdf & I'll e-mail you some jpegs back...
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Thanks, Mike's taking care of it though.
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here are my brand new (internally) koni SPPS yellow's





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i wonder why omnipower's graphs never get shown
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