Feedback and Review: The "1320 Ramhorn" Styled header for B & D series
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Feedback and Review: The "1320 Ramhorn" Styled header for B & D series
Anybody have this header and some tests on it?
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1320-PERFORMA...cd1f51&vxp=mtr
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1320-PERFORMA...cd1f51&vxp=mtr
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re: Feedback and Review: The "1320 Ramhorn" Styled header for B & D series
I bought one when they first came out about a month or so ago. It arrived with two cracks both about 1.5" long where the runners were welded to the head flange. I tig weld so I ground the cracks out and filled in with some 309 stainless. No re-cracking issues to speak of so far; also doesn't appear that any new cracks have developed elsewhere. Packaging was pretty pathetic considering what the item being shipped was and that it was going across the country. Pretty flimsy one layer cardboard box and everything was covered in one layer of cheap bubble wrap. Certainly not going to do a damn thing considering how UPS and FedEx throw boxes around.
Don't let the look fool you, the header is of a mig welded construction, probably by some guy in China I'm sure, and then someone else goes over it with a pulsed tig welder wherever they can reach to give it a tig welded appearance. The look however falls short where the guy with the tig welder couldn't reach easily. Not difficult at all to see the mig welded construction, but I'm sure they fool some people. The head flange is mild steel and very roughly cut, honestly looks like an oxy acetylene torch was used. The v-band setup is just kind of blah. The clamp is cheap and not even really correctly sized. The two flanges sort of lineup with each other, surprised me when it didn't leak. The outlet pipe where a donut gasket is meant to go is a little less than 2.5" because, of the four 2.5" donut gaskets I tested, none, including the sub par one sent with the header fit correctly. They were all loose and would fall off easily. I ended up using one I had gotten from rockauto a long time ago because of the complete lack of graphite on the donut gasket sent with the header. The header doesn't even come with the correct hardware for you to use a donut gasket, which annoys the **** out of me because it makes the donut gasket completely pointless if you don't reuse your oem spring bolts. The header comes with hardware, just the wrong hardware.
Lets see, what else...If you have a full sized radiator you definitely need to use a slim fan on the passenger side. There is zero room to fit another fan for your condenser(assuming you have ac) on the drivers side. No big deal, they even say that in the auction. However, if you have ac and want to keep it, be prepared to re-bend an ac line, and modify your radiator brackets to tilt it to the front of the car more. Otherwise the upper ac line coming off of the compressor will contact the header. Even bending the line and moving the radiator it is still extremely close. I'll take a picture if anyone is interested. Oh, good news, you only have to bend your dipstick slightly to still be able to use it. So there is that for a positive note. I will happily provide pictures of the header on my car with my username if anyone thinks I'm just hating on the company for no reason. Another positive note, it does look pretty cool when installed
Edit: I forgot to mention, the ground clearance is great. Header piping sits level with the oil pan.
And to wrap things up, I don't think I would recommend it to anyone buying it under the assumption that it will be ready to go out of the box, because that definitely wasn't the case for me; however, I was prepared for that. It's a $350 chinese header and I assumed it would have some issues when it showed up so I wasn't caught off guard when it did. Assuming you buy it with that in mind you should be fine. Who knows how the quality control is so I'm sure other miscellaneous construction related issues will show up as more of these get out there.
Don't let the look fool you, the header is of a mig welded construction, probably by some guy in China I'm sure, and then someone else goes over it with a pulsed tig welder wherever they can reach to give it a tig welded appearance. The look however falls short where the guy with the tig welder couldn't reach easily. Not difficult at all to see the mig welded construction, but I'm sure they fool some people. The head flange is mild steel and very roughly cut, honestly looks like an oxy acetylene torch was used. The v-band setup is just kind of blah. The clamp is cheap and not even really correctly sized. The two flanges sort of lineup with each other, surprised me when it didn't leak. The outlet pipe where a donut gasket is meant to go is a little less than 2.5" because, of the four 2.5" donut gaskets I tested, none, including the sub par one sent with the header fit correctly. They were all loose and would fall off easily. I ended up using one I had gotten from rockauto a long time ago because of the complete lack of graphite on the donut gasket sent with the header. The header doesn't even come with the correct hardware for you to use a donut gasket, which annoys the **** out of me because it makes the donut gasket completely pointless if you don't reuse your oem spring bolts. The header comes with hardware, just the wrong hardware.
Lets see, what else...If you have a full sized radiator you definitely need to use a slim fan on the passenger side. There is zero room to fit another fan for your condenser(assuming you have ac) on the drivers side. No big deal, they even say that in the auction. However, if you have ac and want to keep it, be prepared to re-bend an ac line, and modify your radiator brackets to tilt it to the front of the car more. Otherwise the upper ac line coming off of the compressor will contact the header. Even bending the line and moving the radiator it is still extremely close. I'll take a picture if anyone is interested. Oh, good news, you only have to bend your dipstick slightly to still be able to use it. So there is that for a positive note. I will happily provide pictures of the header on my car with my username if anyone thinks I'm just hating on the company for no reason. Another positive note, it does look pretty cool when installed
Edit: I forgot to mention, the ground clearance is great. Header piping sits level with the oil pan.
And to wrap things up, I don't think I would recommend it to anyone buying it under the assumption that it will be ready to go out of the box, because that definitely wasn't the case for me; however, I was prepared for that. It's a $350 chinese header and I assumed it would have some issues when it showed up so I wasn't caught off guard when it did. Assuming you buy it with that in mind you should be fine. Who knows how the quality control is so I'm sure other miscellaneous construction related issues will show up as more of these get out there.
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re: Feedback and Review: The "1320 Ramhorn" Styled header for B & D series
Do NOT, Buy this header.
Multiple test done, confirm the design is pure ****.. Not enough merge or choke down as well as megaphone on the end. Lost a **** down compared to a v1 RMF.
I'd look into a V2 RMF header if anything. Do not waste your money on this header.
Multiple test done, confirm the design is pure ****.. Not enough merge or choke down as well as megaphone on the end. Lost a **** down compared to a v1 RMF.
I'd look into a V2 RMF header if anything. Do not waste your money on this header.
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re: Feedback and Review: The "1320 Ramhorn" Styled header for B & D series
I see no point in getting this when you can get an RMF replica for 275 shipped which is known to actually make gains (I've had one before and it was wonderful).
DDTech, since you brought up the megaphone I'm curious to ask because I never could figure it out before. On the RMF "replica" I had why is the collector so small and then the pipe gradually expands to size (2" expanding to 2.5" I think, or something like that)? I'm just curious about why it's designed that way.
Sorry for the thread jack, I guess the info could be used in relation to this header
DDTech, since you brought up the megaphone I'm curious to ask because I never could figure it out before. On the RMF "replica" I had why is the collector so small and then the pipe gradually expands to size (2" expanding to 2.5" I think, or something like that)? I'm just curious about why it's designed that way.
Sorry for the thread jack, I guess the info could be used in relation to this header
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re: Feedback and Review: The "1320 Ramhorn" Styled header for B & D series
I see no point in getting this when you can get an RMF replica for 275 shipped which is known to actually make gains (I've had one before and it was wonderful).
DDTech, since you brought up the megaphone I'm curious to ask because I never could figure it out before. On the RMF "replica" I had why is the collector so small and then the pipe gradually expands to size (2" expanding to 2.5" I think, or something like that)? I'm just curious about why it's designed that way.
Sorry for the thread jack, I guess the info could be used in relation to this header
DDTech, since you brought up the megaphone I'm curious to ask because I never could figure it out before. On the RMF "replica" I had why is the collector so small and then the pipe gradually expands to size (2" expanding to 2.5" I think, or something like that)? I'm just curious about why it's designed that way.
Sorry for the thread jack, I guess the info could be used in relation to this header
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I bought one when they first came out about a month or so ago. It arrived with two cracks both about 1.5" long where the runners were welded to the head flange. I tig weld so I ground the cracks out and filled in with some 309 stainless. No re-cracking issues to speak of so far; also doesn't appear that any new cracks have developed elsewhere. Packaging was pretty pathetic considering what the item being shipped was and that it was going across the country. Pretty flimsy one layer cardboard box and everything was covered in one layer of cheap bubble wrap. Certainly not going to do a damn thing considering how UPS and FedEx throw boxes around.
Don't let the look fool you, the header is of a mig welded construction, probably by some guy in China I'm sure, and then someone else goes over it with a pulsed tig welder wherever they can reach to give it a tig welded appearance. The look however falls short where the guy with the tig welder couldn't reach easily. Not difficult at all to see the mig welded construction, but I'm sure they fool some people. The head flange is mild steel and very roughly cut, honestly looks like an oxy acetylene torch was used. The v-band setup is just kind of blah. The clamp is cheap and not even really correctly sized. The two flanges sort of lineup with each other, surprised me when it didn't leak. The outlet pipe where a donut gasket is meant to go is a little less than 2.5" because, of the four 2.5" donut gaskets I tested, none, including the sub par one sent with the header fit correctly. They were all loose and would fall off easily. I ended up using one I had gotten from rockauto a long time ago because of the complete lack of graphite on the donut gasket sent with the header. The header doesn't even come with the correct hardware for you to use a donut gasket, which annoys the **** out of me because it makes the donut gasket completely pointless if you don't reuse your oem spring bolts. The header comes with hardware, just the wrong hardware.
Lets see, what else...If you have a full sized radiator you definitely need to use a slim fan on the passenger side. There is zero room to fit another fan for your condenser(assuming you have ac) on the drivers side. No big deal, they even say that in the auction. However, if you have ac and want to keep it, be prepared to re-bend an ac line, and modify your radiator brackets to tilt it to the front of the car more. Otherwise the upper ac line coming off of the compressor will contact the header. Even bending the line and moving the radiator it is still extremely close. I'll take a picture if anyone is interested. Oh, good news, you only have to bend your dipstick slightly to still be able to use it. So there is that for a positive note. I will happily provide pictures of the header on my car with my username if anyone thinks I'm just hating on the company for no reason. Another positive note, it does look pretty cool when installed
Edit: I forgot to mention, the ground clearance is great. Header piping sits level with the oil pan.
And to wrap things up, I don't think I would recommend it to anyone buying it under the assumption that it will be ready to go out of the box, because that definitely wasn't the case for me; however, I was prepared for that. It's a $350 chinese header and I assumed it would have some issues when it showed up so I wasn't caught off guard when it did. Assuming you buy it with that in mind you should be fine. Who knows how the quality control is so I'm sure other miscellaneous construction related issues will show up as more of these get out there.
Don't let the look fool you, the header is of a mig welded construction, probably by some guy in China I'm sure, and then someone else goes over it with a pulsed tig welder wherever they can reach to give it a tig welded appearance. The look however falls short where the guy with the tig welder couldn't reach easily. Not difficult at all to see the mig welded construction, but I'm sure they fool some people. The head flange is mild steel and very roughly cut, honestly looks like an oxy acetylene torch was used. The v-band setup is just kind of blah. The clamp is cheap and not even really correctly sized. The two flanges sort of lineup with each other, surprised me when it didn't leak. The outlet pipe where a donut gasket is meant to go is a little less than 2.5" because, of the four 2.5" donut gaskets I tested, none, including the sub par one sent with the header fit correctly. They were all loose and would fall off easily. I ended up using one I had gotten from rockauto a long time ago because of the complete lack of graphite on the donut gasket sent with the header. The header doesn't even come with the correct hardware for you to use a donut gasket, which annoys the **** out of me because it makes the donut gasket completely pointless if you don't reuse your oem spring bolts. The header comes with hardware, just the wrong hardware.
Lets see, what else...If you have a full sized radiator you definitely need to use a slim fan on the passenger side. There is zero room to fit another fan for your condenser(assuming you have ac) on the drivers side. No big deal, they even say that in the auction. However, if you have ac and want to keep it, be prepared to re-bend an ac line, and modify your radiator brackets to tilt it to the front of the car more. Otherwise the upper ac line coming off of the compressor will contact the header. Even bending the line and moving the radiator it is still extremely close. I'll take a picture if anyone is interested. Oh, good news, you only have to bend your dipstick slightly to still be able to use it. So there is that for a positive note. I will happily provide pictures of the header on my car with my username if anyone thinks I'm just hating on the company for no reason. Another positive note, it does look pretty cool when installed
Edit: I forgot to mention, the ground clearance is great. Header piping sits level with the oil pan.
And to wrap things up, I don't think I would recommend it to anyone buying it under the assumption that it will be ready to go out of the box, because that definitely wasn't the case for me; however, I was prepared for that. It's a $350 chinese header and I assumed it would have some issues when it showed up so I wasn't caught off guard when it did. Assuming you buy it with that in mind you should be fine. Who knows how the quality control is so I'm sure other miscellaneous construction related issues will show up as more of these get out there.
overall very dissapointed in the product i received.