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exgr 03-05-2014 02:29 PM

my 2014 project - forged wheels 15x7 15x7 et45 @ 3.8kg (8.36 lbs)
 
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CAD simulation done. Est. weight 15x7 et45 @ 3.8kg (8.36 lbs). We'll be forging and machining a few samples for real world testing soon.

Once we have test results confirming the production ability of the manufacturing plant we'll roll right into production of 15x7, 15x8, 15x9 wheels. 17" and 18" race wheels will follow after.

90_EX_Civic 03-05-2014 02:39 PM

Re: my 2014 project - forged wheels 15x7 15x7 et45 @ 3.8kg (8.36 lbs)
 
did you consider barrel size of the rim? you know, for the guys that run type r, or nsx calipers?

Xian 03-05-2014 03:38 PM

Re: my 2014 project - forged wheels 15x7 15x7 et45 @ 3.8kg (8.36 lbs)
 
If you can actually get these to market, you'll sell a ton (obviously).

exgr 03-05-2014 03:56 PM

Re: my 2014 project - forged wheels 15x7 15x7 et45 @ 3.8kg (8.36 lbs)
 

Originally Posted by 90_EX_Civic (Post 49563296)
did you consider barrel size of the rim? you know, for the guys that run type r, or nsx calipers?

ITR/NSX brakes with 11" rotors are very easy to clear on 15" wheels. It's the larger disc setups that might have clearance issues...

1998GsRIntegra 03-05-2014 05:54 PM

Re: my 2014 project - forged wheels 15x7 15x7 et45 @ 3.8kg (8.36 lbs)
 
I like it :thumbup:

FlewByU352 03-05-2014 09:15 PM

Re: my 2014 project - forged wheels 15x7 15x7 et45 @ 3.8kg (8.36 lbs)
 
I approve but the offset is boner as fuck!

shane(showtime) 03-05-2014 11:11 PM

Re: my 2014 project - forged wheels 15x7 15x7 et45 @ 3.8kg (8.36 lbs)
 
Yep agree on the offset. Im not a 5 lug guy but you would be smart to cater to that market to be honest. enough 4-100 wheels In the world

jdm_AE86 03-06-2014 03:15 PM

Re: my 2014 project - forged wheels 15x7 15x7 et45 @ 3.8kg (8.36 lbs)
 

Originally Posted by exgr (Post 49563538)
ITR/NSX brakes with 11" rotors are very easy to clear on 15" wheels. It's the larger disc setups that might have clearance issues...

Not true. There are many 15 wheels that dont clear 11 inch brakes. Mostly depends on offset and sometimes the design of the face.

0100 03-06-2014 05:56 PM

Re: my 2014 project - forged wheels 15x7 15x7 et45 @ 3.8kg (8.36 lbs)
 
15x8 +35 4x100 would be nice.

KY2K20 03-06-2014 06:30 PM

Re: my 2014 project - forged wheels 15x7 15x7 et45 @ 3.8kg (8.36 lbs)
 

Originally Posted by 0100 (Post 49566755)
15x8 +35 4x100 would be nice.

What he said!:rave:

alejo98cx 03-06-2014 11:10 PM

Re: my 2014 project - forged wheels 15x7 15x7 et45 @ 3.8kg (8.36 lbs)
 
I like! Also, would be interested in five lug!

94rs-turbo 03-07-2014 03:03 PM

Re: my 2014 project - forged wheels 15x7 15x7 et45 @ 3.8kg (8.36 lbs)
 
Looks good to me I'd rock them

90_EX_Civic 03-07-2014 05:19 PM

Re: my 2014 project - forged wheels 15x7 15x7 et45 @ 3.8kg (8.36 lbs)
 

Originally Posted by exgr (Post 49563538)
ITR/NSX brakes with 11" rotors are very easy to clear on 15" wheels. It's the larger disc setups that might have clearance issues...


Originally Posted by jdm_AE86 (Post 49566415)
Not true. There are many 15 wheels that dont clear 11 inch brakes. Mostly depends on offset and sometimes the design of the face.

^^^ this. some guys have had issues with running 15" rpf1's with typeR calipers and 11" rotors. the inside of the barrel hits the calipers.

redGSRguy 03-09-2014 10:47 PM

Re: my 2014 project - forged wheels 15x7 15x7 et45 @ 3.8kg (8.36 lbs)
 
Where is the plant?

exgr 03-09-2014 10:56 PM

Re: my 2014 project - forged wheels 15x7 15x7 et45 @ 3.8kg (8.36 lbs)
 

Originally Posted by 90_EX_Civic (Post 49569070)
^^^ this. some guys have had issues with running 15" rpf1's with typeR calipers and 11" rotors. the inside of the barrel hits the calipers.

RPF1 is known to have some what poor caliper clearance. notice our spokes are very straight and we didn't really care to design for a lip. we prioritize strength and lightweight over looks. we'll probably simulate a split spoke design to compare...


Originally Posted by redGSRguy (Post 49572905)
Where is the plant?

planet earth. we've decided to use earthling technology for now. earthling are not ready for advanced martian technology yet.

Xian 03-10-2014 05:40 AM

Re: my 2014 project - forged wheels 15x7 15x7 et45 @ 3.8kg (8.36 lbs)
 
Hey look, Frank made it to post #15 in the thread before turning back into an asshat...

jdm_AE86 03-10-2014 03:36 PM

Re: my 2014 project - forged wheels 15x7 15x7 et45 @ 3.8kg (8.36 lbs)
 

Originally Posted by exgr (Post 49572916)
RPF1 is known to have some what poor caliper clearance. notice our spokes are very straight and we didn't really care to design for a lip. we prioritize strength and lightweight over looks. we'll probably simulate a split spoke design to compare...

You are right about that. The wheel does look to have a good design for caliper clearance. The offset on the other hand might come into effect for more aggressive brake setups.

exgr 03-10-2014 03:57 PM

Re: my 2014 project - forged wheels 15x7 15x7 et45 @ 3.8kg (8.36 lbs)
 

Originally Posted by Xian (Post 49573236)
Hey look, Frank made it to post #15 in the thread before turning back into an asshat...

art of trolling son. humph.

ps, what part of using earthling technology is being an asshat anyway?

90_EX_Civic 03-11-2014 02:38 PM

Re: my 2014 project - forged wheels 15x7 15x7 et45 @ 3.8kg (8.36 lbs)
 

Originally Posted by exgr (Post 49572916)
RPF1 is known to have some what poor caliper clearance. notice our spokes are very straight and we didn't really care to design for a lip. we prioritize strength and lightweight over looks. we'll probably simulate a split spoke design to compare...




well now... question goes, how much?

exgr 03-11-2014 02:42 PM

Re: my 2014 project - forged wheels 15x7 15x7 et45 @ 3.8kg (8.36 lbs)
 
can't tell you guys until i know what my cost is... still working out machine time, forge tooling cost, painting and packaging... etc. it will not be cheap that's for sure. think Volk Racing TE37 level if not more. i'm using a special alloy this isn't the average stuff.

Colin 03-11-2014 03:38 PM

Re: my 2014 project - forged wheels 15x7 15x7 et45 @ 3.8kg (8.36 lbs)
 

Originally Posted by 0100 (Post 49566755)
15x8 +35 4x100 would be nice.

Same here! 15x8's are getting more and more popular, so much so I'm not even sure it's worth making a 15x7. Or maybe there are some classes where you're still limited to a 7" wheel?


Originally Posted by exgr (Post 49572916)
RPF1 is known to have some what poor caliper clearance. notice our spokes are very straight and we didn't really care to design for a lip. we prioritize strength and lightweight over looks. we'll probably simulate a split spoke design to compare...

RPF1's have horrible clearance. I didn't know this and assumed they were like any other average wheel. Bought a set, put my tires on then went to mount them the night before an event only to find out they wouldn't clear my new ITR brake setup. 20mm spacer + an angle grinder made 'em BARELY fit.


Originally Posted by exgr (Post 49577252)
can't tell you guys until i know what my cost is... still working out machine time, forge tooling cost, painting and packaging... etc. it will not be cheap that's for sure. think Volk Racing TE37 level if not more. i'm using a special alloy this isn't the average stuff.

I don't mean to be discouraging as I think a larger variety of good, strong, lightweight wheels is always a good thing. But seems like entering the market at that price point may be difficult. If you can get the weight below that of a Volk of the same size then you'll have a leg up in that regard. Otherwise you're going to be fighting an uphill battle competing with them since so many people (I assume) would opt for the Volk if the price is the same simply because they have history, plus there's the "baller status" associated w/ Volks. I'm exited to see what happens though, and wish you luck!

Silky Smooth 03-12-2014 09:53 AM

Re: my 2014 project - forged wheels 15x7 15x7 et45 @ 3.8kg (8.36 lbs)
 

Originally Posted by redGSRguy (Post 49572905)
Where is the plant?

I think this is a legitimate question. What country will the wheels be made? Being made in China will extremely devalue the wheels.

This is great news. I've been looking for a 15x8, 4x100 in a +40-45 offset, but I can't seem to find any. Do you have an estimate on how much the 15x8 will weigh?

exgr 03-12-2014 10:08 AM

Re: my 2014 project - forged wheels 15x7 15x7 et45 @ 3.8kg (8.36 lbs)
 
15x8 with a 45 offset will probably hit the front knuckle and it will also hit the rear trailing arm. assuming you're talking about EG fitment. if this prototype passes all 500kg 4x100 tests then a 15x8 rim should be about 10 lbs. if we ended having to strength certain areas then it might weight 0.5 lbs (maybe up to 1 lbs) more...

the origin of the raw materials is a better question to ask than where the forging is done. the type of plant and their experience (our guys are experienced forging aerospace components). there are good forging presses (6000T to 30,000T) in Russia, China, Taiwan, Belgim, Japan, USA. where we source is obviously a inside trade secret. machining workshop is also carefully chosen and evaluated.

we (try to) use the best possible while balancing it with price point that is acceptable.

spAdam 03-12-2014 06:59 PM

Re: my 2014 project - forged wheels 15x7 15x7 et45 @ 3.8kg (8.36 lbs)
 
:thumbup: for more 5x114.3 options!

Silky Smooth 03-12-2014 09:35 PM

Re: my 2014 project - forged wheels 15x7 15x7 et45 @ 3.8kg (8.36 lbs)
 

Originally Posted by exgr (Post 49579262)
15x8 with a 45 offset will probably hit the front knuckle and it will also hit the rear trailing arm. assuming you're talking about EG fitment. if this prototype passes all 500kg 4x100 tests then a 15x8 rim should be about 10 lbs. if we ended having to strength certain areas then it might weight 0.5 lbs (maybe up to 1 lbs) more...

the origin of the raw materials is a better question to ask than where the forging is done. the type of plant and their experience (our guys are experienced forging aerospace components). there are good forging presses (6000T to 30,000T) in Russia, China, Taiwan, Belgim, Japan, USA. where we source is obviously a inside trade secret. machining workshop is also carefully chosen and evaluated.

we (try to) use the best possible while balancing it with price point that is acceptable.

That sounds like a well informed response. Thanks for the heads up about the new product.

I don't have an EG. I have McPherson struts in the front and a live axle in the rear. The inboard side of the wheel is not even close to the suspension. A +35, 8" wheel will have a slight poke in the front and that is a look I'm trying hard to avoid. I'll figure it out. I'm just considering options right now.

By your response, it sounds like you might make the 15x8 wheel in a different offset. What offsets do you expect to offer for a 15x8 4x100 wheel?


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